Olinemen Drafted by the Cowboys in the past 10 drafts (Not for the Weak)

[Charles]

'97- Steve Scifres G Wyoming

'98- Flozell Adams T Michigan State
Oliver Ross T Iowa State
Antonio Fleming G Georgia

'99- Solomon Page T West Virginia

'01- Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

'02- Andre Gurode G Colorado
Tyson Walter T Ohio State

'03- Al Johnson C Wisconsin
Justin Bates G Colorado

'04- Jacob Rogers T USC
Stephen Peterman G Louisiana State

'05- Rob Petitti T Pittsburgh

'06- Pat McQuistan T Weber State

Folks we've got some serious issues with selecting Olinemen. It didn't get any better after Parcells took over. We got some production from Flozell, Gurode and Johnson, but we haven't found a "player" on the Oline since we drafted Larry Allen back in 1994. Thats is more than a decade:bang2:

 

[jrumann59]

Like I have said before OL is one of the hardest positiions to grade in the draft for every J. Ogden there a numerous T. Mandarich. The talent from round 1 to roud 7 is pretty even. So when most teams draft an lineman early they may have to wait 2-3 years to see if the guy can play.

 

[burmafrd]

Forgot Whitley. But he gets a pass due to injury. McQ looks like a possible hit; proctor might as well. Actually- it could be said that BP has done better with picking up someone elses castoffs (Columbo, maybe proctor) or low round shots ( McQ and Petitti did start for a year). certainly his record for first day picks is MUCH worse then second day and UDFA. WHICH is an arguement for NOT picking on the first day.

 

[NewmanFan4]

Can you add what round they were chosen? To me, if a 6th or 7th rounder doesn't develop, you can't really call it a miss. It's all a real shot in the dark at that point.

 

[Chuck 54]

The talent from round 1 to roud 7 is pretty even.

That, in my humble opinion, is a ridiculous statement, and no one who draws a paycheck in the NFL would ever agree with it. History does not support it. OL is like any other position...the talent difference is immense, but that does not take into effect the mental aptitude, the focus and dedication, the work ethic, or the fit between a player's strengths and the scheme a team plays.

The best OLmen in the NFL were top picks and first day selections...even if you find decent starters on day 2, that's all you'll ever have...decent starters. If you want a dominant line, you either select dominant linemen or you run a successful scheme that doesn't require dominance and you select players that fit what you want to accomplish.

 

[Eddie]

That, in my humble opinion, is a ridiculous statement, and no one who draws a paycheck in the NFL would ever agree with it. History does not support it. OL is like any other position...the talent difference is immense, but that does not take into effect the mental aptitude, the focus and dedication, the work ethic, or the fit between a player's strengths and the scheme a team plays.

The best OLmen in the NFL were top picks and first day selections...even if you find decent starters on day 2, that's all you'll ever have...decent starters. If you want a dominant line, you either select dominant linemen or you run a successful scheme that doesn't require dominance and you select players that fit what you want to accomplish.

I have to agree with Wayne. The best OLmen go early ... and often, VERY early. Most of the top LT's are all top 10 picks.

I think OG is a position where you can get by in the 2nd and 3rd round. Same with Center. But LT is a drop dead high first round pick. The talent drops off considerably after that.

 

[Hostile]

I have to agree with Wayne. The best OLmen go early ... and often, VERY early. Most of the top LT's are all top 10 picks.

I think OG is a position where you can get by in the 2nd and 3rd round. Same with Center. But LT is a drop dead high first round pick. The talent drops off considerably after that.

1995 Dallas Cowboys Offensive Line, perhaps the best OL ever. It would get my vote. 4 of them voted to the pro Bowl that year, 3 were All Pro. All 5 received one honor or the other.

Here's how they came to the Cowboys.

Mark Tuinei, 2 time Pro Bowl LT, undrafted rookie free agent, played DT in college at Hawaii.

Nate Newton, 6 time Pro Bowl LG, undrafted, USFL refugee, small college.

Ray Donaldson, 6 time pro Bowl C, 2nd round pick by Baltimore, Free Agent.

Larry Allen, 11 time Pro Bowler, RG, 2nd round draft pick out of a small school.

Erik Williams, 4 time Pro Bowl RT, 3rd round draft pick out of a small school.

A great OL is not necessarily about pedigree, big time college program, or draft position. Of these 5 it can easily be argued that Ray Donaldson was the only one anyone could project success for. He was the top ranked Center and played his college ball at Georgia.

OL success is entirely about chemistry. Guys cannot have personal agendas. No matter where we moved Larry Allen to, he was dominant. Lose Stepnoski, 5 time Pro Bowl C, and get an aging Ray Donaldson and there was no drop off. Bring Step back, no drop off.

This doesn't mean I would hate drafting OL high. I just don't agree that the best O-linemen go early. I think the best O-linemen want it more and want it as a group.

 

[Big Dakota]

And the biggest OL busts go in the top 10. Go figure

 

[Hostile]

And the biggest OL busts go in the top 10. Go figure

Good point.

 

[KCWADE_LIVES]

McQuistan looks like he might turn into something. He's got the size, just needs the technique now. Plus he is so ugly, most DE's probably don't want to touch him. But as far as us drafting an OL in the first round, it will never happen. Ladies and gentlemen, prepare yourself for yet another defensive player in the fist round. Most likely a CB.

 

[burmafrd]

the biggest O line bust of all, Mandarich, was supposed to be the CAN'T MISS player of that draft. There was NO one who thought he would be a bust.
gallery is pretty much of a bust, though not as big a one and he does have some excuse having to toil in the excrement laden atmosphere of the den of the walking dead.

 

[JPM]

1995 Dallas Cowboys Offensive Line, perhaps the best OL ever. It would get my vote. 4 of them voted to the pro Bowl that year, 3 were All Pro. All 5 received one honor or the other.

Here's how they came to the Cowboys.

Mark Tuinei, 2 time Pro Bowl LT, undrafted rookie free agent, played DT in college at Hawaii.

Nate Newton, 6 time Pro Bowl LG, undrafted, USFL refugee, small college.

Ray Donaldson, 6 time pro Bowl C, 2nd round pick by Baltimore, Free Agent.

Larry Allen, 11 time Pro Bowler, RG, 2nd round draft pick out of a small school.

Erik Williams, 4 time Pro Bowl RT, 3rd round draft pick out of a small school.

A great OL is not necessarily about pedigree, big time college program, or draft position. Of these 5 it can easily be argued that Ray Donaldson was the only one anyone could project success for. He was the top ranked Center and played his college ball at Georgia.

OL success is entirely about chemistry. Guys cannot have personal agendas. No matter where we moved Larry Allen to, he was dominant. Lose Stepnoski, 5 time Pro Bowl C, and get an aging Ray Donaldson and there was no drop off. Bring Step back, no drop off.

This doesn't mean I would hate drafting OL high. I just don't agree that the best O-linemen go early. I think the best O-linemen want it more and want it as a group.

Don't forget Derrick Kennard, one of the larger human beings I have ever seen.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I would venture to guess,, that most OL that are drafted are done so in rd 3 or later. There are a few guys from year that stand out from the rest, guys like Fergason and McNeil last year,, I think McNeil would have went in the top 10 if not for the injury reports. But once you get pass the elite few, the bulk of the talent is pretty much even. That is why I think the Risk is to high to draft an OL in the 1st round,, when you can get someone of almost the same talent, with more to prove usually in the later rounds,, mimimizing the risk factor and the cap money.

The key to being an OL is not what school you went to but it is willingness to learn.. and the desire to fight, every play, with injuries, fight for pride. Not everyone has this in them and it is very hard to determine. Alot of the OL that come from Big schools and are dominate in school.. just don't have to fight, they are much better than the guy in front of them.. but when they get to the pro's.. they aren't and if they don't have that fight in them, the heart and pride not to fail.. they are bust.

 

[Mash]

IMHO....

I think Emmitt made alot of those guys "pro-bowlers"......Larry Allen and Eric Williams were legit...others....hmmm?

I think bringing in Norv and the OL coach and putting our star players in position to succeed benefited the OL selection to their pro bowls....

IMHO....without Emmitt.....we would of not of know Nate,Kenard.etc...

 

[STSINAZ]

Therein Lies The Problem On Why We Havent Been Successful

 

[DipChit]

Could prolly more or less do the same thing for the D-Line.

Yeah Ellis is a solid player... not unlike a Flo overall and you had a couple others theat were ok and still play elsewhere.. but I dont think you'd find any Strahans or Sapps in the group.

Was reading that piece about how Jerry is bummed out in some cases about his return on investment with FA's the last couple years.

Well this just in, if your drafts hadnt been so hideous from 94-2000 you wouldnt have to worry about it so much in the first place. How many primetime players at any position entering their 4th, 5th, 6th years did you have in '03 and '04? Like , um, pretty much none.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

you can say it is the hardest position to grade...but something is wrong if you spend that many consecutive years without finding a 10 year starter who mixes in a few Pro Bowls

Especially when you consider the NFC East is about running the football.

And to me the Parcells era might be worse than the years preceeding him. Why? Because we have spent 1st day picks and given out huge signing bonuses.

Al Johnson - 2nd round pick
Jabob Rogers - 2nd round pick
Marco Rivera - 10M sigingin bonus (which equates to a mid first rounder)
Kyle Kosier - 5M signing bonus (which equates to a later first rounder)
Stepehn Peterman - 3rd round pick

These are the high profile lineman that Parcells has added...and yet we could not find 1 to be an anchor.....NOT GOOD....NOT GOOD AT ALL

 

[AbeBeta]

That list sucks. But then again, we also haven't spent any 1sts on the OL. I see 5 2nds on the list and two appear like good picks (Adams and Gurode) -- not a single home run there.

 

[Eddie]

How's Peterman doing with the Lions? Just curious.

Did we bail on him too early?

Lehr has played better than Rivera over the past two years.

 

[YosemiteSam]

And the biggest OL busts go in the top 10. Go figure

I don't think Ferguson will be a bust.