Oliver Hoyte must have really impressed the coaches

[wileedog]

It's Jerruh's money, and Bill has to answer to him, especially if he throws away the groceries he ordered.

McQ is not better than Pettiti now. He will be, but not now.

I disagree completely. McQ played very well against Erasmus James. Pettiti almost got Romo killed against 3rd stringers.

IF Flo can't do it, we are in trouble again. Fabini may be better than Pettiti now, but I don't think it is by a lot. I think Bill is betting that McQ learns fast enough to help the second half.

As far as cutting two draft picks, both were second day picks and didn;t cost what they lost on Boiman. To double that loss with Fabini would have been burning money. Pettiti was cheaper than cutting Fabini. Simple as that.

This is a business, you know. Jerruh isn't doing this as a hobby. Losing money hurts, and it affects every decision!

Columbo doesn't even have a full season under his belt. Pettiti has one terrible one. McQ has never even seen a regular season game from the sidelines.

You can't have that kind of inexperience at 3 of your 4 spots. If Columbo bombs and Pettiti hasn't improved much from last year (and there was little evidence in camp that he did) your season is over. That's a lot to risk on a player who did not show marked improvement from one year over the next because of $1.5M.

Fabini played well enough in the final two games to earn the spot.

As for Jerruh, this franchise is worth over $1 billion. A lost $1.5M signing doesn't even register as a rounding error in his checkbook. Money has nothing to do with the decision.

 

[fortdick]

I disagree completely. McQ played very well against Erasmus James. Pettiti almost got Romo killed against 3rd stringers.



Columbo doesn't even have a full season under his belt. Pettiti has one terrible one. McQ has never even seen a regular season game from the sidelines.

You can't have that kind of inexperience at 3 of your 4 spots. If Columbo bombs and Pettiti hasn't improved much from last year (and there was little evidence in camp that he did) your season is over. That's a lot to risk on a player who did not show marked improvement from one year over the next over $1.5M.

Fabini played well enough in the final two games to earn the spot.

As for Jerruh, this franchise is worth over $1 billion. A lost $1.5M signing doesn't even register as a rounding error in his checkbook. Money has nothing to do with the decision.

Not even Bill Gates would throw away 1.5 million. To say money has nothing to do with it is ridiculous. They aren't in the "keep the fans happy" business, they are in the money making business.

The franchise might be worth a billion, but how much is there in liquid assests? Before retiring, I managed a 150 million dollar a year budget. I would expect that was larger than Jerruh's working budget for this year. I can tell you, if 1.5 million represents one whole percentage point of the annual budget, wasting it can be deadly! If anyone has had experience managing a budget like this, they would never say that it is nothing.

To say money has nothing to do with the decisions is crazy.

 

[wileedog]

Not even Bill Gates would throw away 1.5 million. To say money has nothing to do with it is ridiculous. They aren't in the "keep the fans happy" business, they are in the money making business.

The franchise might be worth a billion, but how much is there in liquid assests? Before retiring, I managed a 150 million dollar a year budget. I would expect that was larger than Jerruh's working budget for this year. I can tell you, if 1.5 million represents one whole percentage point of the annual budget, wasting it can be deadly! If anyone has had experience managing a budget like this, they would never say that it is nothing.

To say money has nothing to do with the decisions is crazy.

You lose the money either way.

You may as well put the best team on the field while you are doing it.

Its not about "saving" $1.5M. Its about some ridiculous notion of saving face over it.

If Bill wins Jerry doesn't care about the money - at all. Keeping Pettiti and two other inexperienced tackles is a major risk to Bill winning, which is the bottom line.

 

[burmafrd]

JJ has proven that he will not quible about one or two mill ; now if you were talking 10 mill then that would be a factor.

 

[fortdick]

You lose the money either way.

You may as well put the best team on the field while you are doing it.

Its not about "saving" $1.5M. Its about some ridiculous notion of saving face over it.

If Bill wins Jerry doesn't care about the money - at all. Keeping Pettiti and two other inexperienced tackles is a major risk to Bill winning, which is the bottom line.

I agree that keeping two project tackles is a risk, but I think that not admitting he was wrong on Fabini could have been in the mix. It surely should have influenced the decision.

After Peterman, Rogers, et. al., I am sure Bill doesn't want to admit a mistake on another lineman. To say that his decision was not influenced by this is to over simplify the situation. Better to admit Pettiti was a failure than to admit Fabini was a mistake. Especially after cutting Boiman. Two expensive mistakes would make him look silly. But then again, his choices on linemen that past three years..............

 

[Yakuza Rich]

from that writeup I'd assume Tom was Hoyte's agent

I watched Hoyte play on tape while trying to review the play of Lawson and Williams. Needless to say, I got the same thing Tom and others have been saying.

Problem is that he ran a 5.03 forty time. However, his short shuttle was excellent 4.3 time and in reality, there's not a lot of times a linebacker is going to have to go full bore sprinting for 40 yards.

I think scouts got way too scared of his 40 time and completely ignored his short shuttle and his play on the field.

That being said, how did NC State manage to lose so often? Williams, Hoyte, and Lawson? They should've been quite incredible.


YAKUZA

 

[wileedog]

I agree that keeping two project tackles is a risk, but I think that not admitting he was wrong on Fabini could have been in the mix. It surely should have influenced the decision.

And how dumb would he look if he kept Pettiti, Columbo couldn't play after all, and Pettiti came in and gave up 13.5 sacks again?

Better to admit Pettiti was a failure than to admit Fabini was a mistake.

I don't understand the difference. One is wasted money, the other is a wasted draft pick. Why would you make a move detrimental to the team so you could proudly proclaim that all you wasted was a draft pick instead of money?

Isn't it much more logical to assume that 6th round draft pick and worst RT in the league last year simply isn't going to be as good as people want to believe?

And if we win no one is going to remember that Rocky Boiman got a $1M SB just to come to camp, other than Rocky Boiman. Ditto Fabini.

 

[fortdick]

And how dumb would he look if he kept Pettiti, Columbo couldn't play after all, and Pettiti came in and gave up 13.5 sacks again?



I don't understand the difference. One is wasted money, the other is a wasted draft pick. Why would you make a move detrimental to the team so you could proudly proclaim that all you wasted was a draft pick instead of money?

Isn't it much more logical to assume that 6th round draft pick and worst RT in the league last year simply isn't going to be as good as people want to believe?

And if we win no one is going to remember that Rocky Boiman got a $1M SB just to come to camp, other than Rocky Boiman. Ditto Fabini.

I guess you are right, Bill's ego never affects his decisions.

 

[wileedog]

I guess you are right, Bill's ego never affects his decisions.

Got any examples where a clearly superior player was let go over an inferior one to satisfy Bill's "ego?"

 

[fortdick]

Got any examples where a clearly superior player was let go over an inferior one to satisfy Bill's "ego?"

So, you are admitting that Pettiti is clearly superior to Fabini?

 

[InmanRoshi]

fortdick ... no need for so much conjecture and conspiracy theories. Just pop in (any) game tape and the truth will stare you right smack in the face. Petitti sucked. A horrrible football player. He's the Troy Hambrick of offensive tackles, but worse. That's all that needs to be said. I can't believe people on here spend so much of their valuable lives fighting over him. Might as well pull your hair out and wring your hands wondering why Lance Frazier was released.

 

[fortdick]

fortdick ... no need for so much conjecture and conspiracy theories. Just pop in (any) game tape and the truth will stare you right smack in the face. Petitti sucked. A horrrible football player. Be glad we upgraded.

I am aware of your opinion, as you have expressed it enough for all to hear. I disagree. Pettiti looked good this preseason. McQ did not look as good. HE may have more upside in the long run, but not now.

As far as conspiracies. I don;t think there is anything outlandish in thinking that Fabini was kept becasue of the money. Having played in a professional sport, I can tell you that money is a huge factor in decision making. All things being equal, the guy that is getting paid the most stays. It is that simple.

This is a business folks, not Madden '07. Quit thinking of it as blips in the computer's memory.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I am aware of your opinion, as you have expressed it enough for all to hear. I disagree. Pettiti looked good this preseason. McQ did not look as good. HE may have more upside in the long run, but not now.

As far as conspiracies. I don;t think there is anything outlandish in thinking that Fabini was kept becasue of the money. Having played in a professional sport, I can tell you that money is a huge factor in decision making. All things being equal, the guy that is getting paid the most stays. It is that simple.

Except when it came to Boiman and Hoyte.

The guy who won the position stayed. The guy who sucked hard was released. Its that simple.

 

[wileedog]

So, you are admitting that Pettiti is clearly superior to Fabini?

I'm saying he hasn't done it, not once. How does that equal Pettiti being superior?

Pettiti didn't improve enough over last year. Period. He was moving steadily down the depth chart since the 2nd week of camp, was that just a clever ruse so Bill could cut him and keep a worse player?

If he was going to worry about saving face, why not cut Olliver Hoyte? He could keep Boiman, save $1M, and still not have a depth problem at LBer. Ta da, "face" saved.

Your scenario makes no sense when you compare it to the simplest solution, which is that Pettiti was not good enough to be here.

 

[superpunk]

The conspiracy theories dreamed up by people on how and why Parcells makes personnel decisions are baffling. Why would someone who is in the business of winning cut someone who is better than another player on the roster? Please, show me where all these solid players we've cut for their pathetic counterparts (who Parcells only keeps on the team because they're Italian/from Jersey/played with the jets/ eat pasta) are playing today?

I guess it's easier to claim Parcells bias than admit that the player let go just wasn't any good.

 

[fortdick]

The conspiracy theories dreamed up by people on how and why Parcells makes personnel decisions are baffling. Why would someone who is in the business of winning cut someone who is better than another player on the roster? Please, show me where all these solid players we've cut for their pathetic counterparts (who Parcells only keeps on the team because they're Italian/from Jersey/played with the jets/ eat pasta) are playing today?

I guess it's easier to claim Parcells bias than admit that the player let go just wasn't any good.

Maybe if I type slower, y'all might get my point.

McQ had more upside than Pettiti, but, as of this point in space time, Pettiti probably could have performed better in the short term.

Fabini has more experience that either Pettiti or McQ. He might have this year and maybe next capable of contributing.

As far as talent, McQ is superior is Pettiti or Fabini, but rougher. Pettiti is not as skillful, but has experience.

First half of the season, Fabini and Pettiti are better than Fabini and McQ.

Next year. McQ and Pettiti are better than Fabini.

So, if you are thinking about the future, why keep Fabini?

Answer Parcells doesn't care about the future because he is not going to be here. He has to win now. His HoF spot may depend on it. If his ego wasn't a part of it, he would have kept the yoiungster. (Doesn't that make him a progress stopper?)

Cutting Boiman wasted one million of Jerruh's dollars. Cutting Fabini would have been another 1.5 mil. I don't care what business you are in, you don't waste 2% of your operational budget.

Why is this so difficult to understand. It is not the grassy knoll theory here, it is economics.

Flame away, but I have spent a lot of years managing budgets, and I know every decision is a business decision. Cutting LA and Glover for cap reasons is a good example. Many here have expressed concern that Kozier will not be able to fill in for LA, i.e.:

(LA) He'll probably be awesome for the 49ers. I still think it was stupid to release him, but in the end it was all about money. Jerry said he graded out as the best OL on our team last year, and he was a hell of a lot better than Marco Rivera.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59937

Business decision. Glover leaving. Business decision.

I have said my last on the issue. If you can't see the point, then I am wasting my time.

 

[Clove]

Parcells' loves young and up-and-comers. Unless you've proven yourself to have some greatness, average play will get you moved off of Parcells roster.

That is one thing I like about Parcells. He will give you an opportunity, only if some other youngster isn't ahead of you. But if he sees another kid as good as you, but has a higher upside, your job is in serious trouble. And I think that's what Boiman was a product of.

 

[wileedog]

Maybe if I type slower, y'all might get my point.

McQ had more upside than Pettiti, but, as of this point in space time, Pettiti probably could have performed better in the short term.

Fabini has more experience that either Pettiti or McQ. He might have this year and maybe next capable of contributing.

As far as talent, McQ is superior is Pettiti or Fabini, but rougher. Pettiti is not as skillful, but has experience.

First half of the season, Fabini and Pettiti are better than Fabini and McQ.

Next year. McQ and Pettiti are better than Fabini.

So, if you are thinking about the future, why keep Fabini?

Answer Parcells doesn't care about the future because he is not going to be here. He has to win now. His HoF spot may depend on it. If his ego wasn't a part of it, he would have kept the yoiungster. (Doesn't that make him a progress stopper?)

All of which discounts the theory that perhaps Pettiti really wasn't better than McQ, or ever will be better than Fabini now.

Pettiti looked average all camp against 3rd stringers. Maybe, just maybe, he really is a 6th round career backup, and if you keep Fabini over him you may have just tossed your season to pray that he's not.

In order to be a progress stopper there has to be some progress to stop. Nothing Pettiti showed, other than his new abs of steel, indicated he had gotten markedly better. That's why he was dropped from the starting mix early in camp, not because of Jerry's checkbook.

Cutting Boiman wasted one million of Jerruh's dollars. Cutting Fabini would have been another 1.5 mil. I don't care what business you are in, you don't waste 2% of your operational budget.

Why is this so difficult to understand. It is not the grassy knoll theory here, it is economics.

Again, if Pettiti is all that, why not cut Hoyte and keep Boiman, then cut Fabini? You save almost as much money, and certainly a quality OT is harder to find than a backup LBer. Boiman is certainly as good as Hoyte on STs, and we are very deep at LBer to boot. Why risk your O-line to save face about losing money when this much more palatable solution is staring right at you?

Or again, maybe Parcells just thinks a lot less of Pettiti than you do.

Business decision. Glover leaving. Business decision.

I have said my last on the issue. If you can't see the point, then I am wasting my time.

A $7M cap hit for one year is literally 10 times more devastating that a $1.5M cap hit spread over two years. Its not even comparable.

 

[CoCo]

Signing bonuses are sunk money.

Sunk money is, well... sunk money.

You don't make present/future business decisions based upon sunk money. It is never coming back no matter what you do.

You make business decisions based upon present/future investments vs future returns.

In the NFL world you do need to manage sunk money's cap impact but aside from that you make your business decisions on who gives me the best return on present/future investments.

That is why Boiman doesn't work here anymore. And if Pettiti was a better player in BP's eyes than Fabini he would still be here. It doesn't matter who got what signing bonus other than perhaps an unwillingness to admit a mistake or remaining belief that player will turn it around and become the top performer.

You don't need to have played professional sports or been a business major to figure it out. Its actually very simple.