One thing Garrett Does Have

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I thoroughly believe he values what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys. I don't believe any coach since Landry truly understood what that means. Johnson was a great coach, but he didn't truly value it like Garrett. I'm not saying it makes him a good coach. In my opinion, he's not. I do think he started out trying to instill the pride of being a Cowboy in his players, but he's failed or given up trying.

Say what you want about him, the man truly understands what it means to be a Cowboy.

you mean he has strong suction
 

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I thoroughly believe he values what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys. I don't believe any coach since Landry truly understood what that means. Johnson was a great coach, but he didn't truly value it like Garrett. I'm not saying it makes him a good coach. In my opinion, he's not. I do think he started out trying to instill the pride of being a Cowboy in his players, but he's failed or given up trying.

Say what you want about him, the man truly understands what it means to be a Cowboy.
I could care less what a coach values in terms of what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys.

And I am curious what you mean by the Johnson comment. How does your filter work? How was Johnson not valuing being a Cowboy?

And honestly, I think Garrett literally craps on the memory of Tom Landry with his lack of innovation and intellectual pride. Garrett's Cowboys can never ever be regarded as smart football teams.

But then again, maybe you are right.

Being a Cowboy lately in the last couple of decades means being proud of yourself but actually being a loser with false pride.

By that definition, this is a brilliant assumption. Jason Garrett really values what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys.
 

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I thoroughly believe he values what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys. I don't believe any coach since Landry truly understood what that means. Johnson was a great coach, but he didn't truly value it like Garrett. I'm not saying it makes him a good coach. In my opinion, he's not. I do think he started out trying to instill the pride of being a Cowboy in his players, but he's failed or given up trying.

Say what you want about him, the man truly understands what it means to be a Cowboy.

I thought you were going to say he has rhythm... with his clapping.
 

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Garrett is the new whipping boy for the Dak Zoids here as Dez was and Chaz etc etc.....I'll say it again and again working for Jerry Jones is not a easy task......with a GOOD QB back there we would be 6-2 at least now and smiling and even saying Garrett is a good coach etc etc ...instead we're Dak-Dead once again....like last season.....remember ????

You know I agree with most things... But not Garrett. The worst thing Romo ever did in Dallas, was make Garrett look like he had a clue.

But I do agree that some of the complete dumb plays we see. Like 3rd and 17 we throw that stupid screen all the time. That is lack of faith in Dak. No NFL coach or OC is that stupid to do that all the time. That is a complete lack of faith in the QB. Not the WRs, Not the O-line, but the QB.
 

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I could care less what a coach values in terms of what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys.

And I am curious what you mean by the Johnson comment. How does your filter work? How was Johnson not valuing being a Cowboy?

And honestly, I think Garrett literally craps on the memory of Tom Landry with his lack of innovation and intellectual pride. Garrett's Cowboys can never ever be regarded as smart football teams.

But then again, maybe you are right.

Being a Cowboy lately in the last couple of decades means being proud of yourself but actually being a loser with false pride.

By that definition, this is a brilliant assumption. Jason Garrett really values what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys.

Johnson was a great coach but a mercenary. He never fully embraced what it meant to be the coach of the Cowboys. He did his time and pushed JJs buttons to get fired. He was in it to further his career. The Cowboys were just another coaching job to him.
 

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Johnson was a great coach but a mercenary. He never fully embraced what it meant to be the coach of the Cowboys. He did his time and pushed JJs buttons to get fired. He was in it to further his career. The Cowboys were just another coaching job to him.
Jimmy Johnson's first stop as a head coach in the NFL was as the Dallas Cowboys head coach. That kind of eliminates the "mercenary" theory.

Your stance is pretty much about what I would expect out of a child.

Perhaps you should scrawl it on notebook paper like that poor child did that was on social media.
 

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Ask Garrett how it feels to be one of the worst and least respected coaches in Cowboys history. It's going to take this team years to recover from what he's done here...But as long as Jerry is calling the shots, the next guy won't be any better...

Well said!
 

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Jimmy Johnson was not a nice guy coach. Bill Parcells was not a nice guy coach. Tom Coughlin was not a nice guy coach. Bill Belichick is not a nice guy coach. They may be (or have been) nice guys away from the field, but on the field and around the team, they were/are not nice guys. What they are though is winners.

Fans want (or should want) coaches who are winners over everything. NFL player careers are short. Wasting them on nice guy or inept coaches (or both) or otherwise unsuccessful coaches is not worth it if it means little or no post-season success.
true and Jimmy would also chew the team out after a win, if they had played sloppy or made too many mistakes.
This leads to them always trying to do better even if winning , just to please the HC who was hard to please.
I think Jimmy told emmitt if he wanted to mess up his hair , they had to win a SB or it would never happen lol, and emmitt really
wanted to mess up jimmys hair.......so they won a SB just to mess up that hair lol

JG gives them congrats after 1 good play in a game, and if they win probably no criticism.
 

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He seems like a nice enough bloke, but I think he's been in over his head with this team for ages. I think it's time for a new direction with this team, but I don't have a say in the matter, do I? He's dealing with a lot of young chaps, and not all of them have been properly developed. A lot of it is his fault, really. For example, I think it was his idea, if I'm not mistaken, to have Dak stay as the starter when Romo was healthy. Granted, Romo might very well have gotten himself injured again later that season, so maybe not a horrendous mistake on that point. However, I think it robbed (really hate saying that word as it is really naughty, but it fits here) Dak of critical development that he hasn't gotten. It's going to take an enormous effort from an excellent coach to help him through 2 years, practically, of missed development, if he's ever going to return to starting material, in my mind. I think he's got the tools, but he's missed 2 years of developing them because Garrett can't develop a bloody quarterback.
 

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Garrett is the new whipping boy for the Dak Zoids here as Dez was and Chaz etc etc.....I'll say it again and again working for Jerry Jones is not a easy task......with a GOOD QB back there we would be 6-2 at least now and smiling and even saying Garrett is a good coach etc etc ...instead we're Dak-Dead once again....like last season.....remember ????

Look here. Dak has a lot of problems. I think we can certainly agree on it, and I think he missed out significantly on development. He's not complete and utter rubbish at QB. You want to see rubbish? That Peterman bloke with the Bills epitomizes rubbish QB. Dak is probably average, and he was brought in primarily to be a backup. He was forced into action, really, in 16 because of the injury to Romo. That's where I suppose the debate lies though, when Romo was ready to come back. Pity we couldn't keep Romo around. Garrett can't develop a bloody paper bag, and I've spent ages on here pointing out the chaps that he's ruined. He's the Adam Conover (Adam Ruins Everything chap) of NFL coaches. I'll go over it again tomorrow, if you'd like. I think that Garrett and Linehan certainly need to go, and the playcalling was so obvious that the MNF crew were literally identifying our plays throughout the game, and they were really predictable here with Romo, except when Romo went no huddle. That is a skill that Dak needs to develop because he's not going to get a lot of sideline help with our coaches.
 

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I think Garrett knows that he is truly lucky to have had that job for so long. He also pumps himself up as though he has more swagger than any other coach. He has to lead the team onto the field so we can see how the players follow him. What a f-ing joke! Belichick and McVay come onto the field without any fanfare or anyone hardly noticing. I think Jason's fake swagger has a lot of fans fooled into thinking he's a good coach, at least up until now.
 

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Look here. Dak has a lot of problems. I think we can certainly agree on it, and I think he missed out significantly on development. He's not complete and utter rubbish at QB. You want to see rubbish? That Peterman bloke with the Bills epitomizes rubbish QB. Dak is probably average, and he was brought in primarily to be a backup. He was forced into action, really, in 16 because of the injury to Romo. That's where I suppose the debate lies though, when Romo was ready to come back. Pity we couldn't keep Romo around. Garrett can't develop a bloody paper bag, and I've spent ages on here pointing out the chaps that he's ruined. He's the Adam Conover (Adam Ruins Everything chap) of NFL coaches. I'll go over it again tomorrow, if you'd like. I think that Garrett and Linehan certainly need to go, and the playcalling was so obvious that the MNF crew were literally identifying our plays throughout the game, and they were really predictable here with Romo, except when Romo went no huddle. That is a skill that Dak needs to develop because he's not going to get a lot of sideline help with our coaches.

No...you look here my British bud.....No coach can make Dak a talented QB...he simply does not have the talent base to excel at the position!
Now if you doubt this why isn't the NFL filled with Tom Brady's and Rodgers ....cause it can't be COACHED!!!!!
Dak stinks and that will not change for the rest of his very short upcoming career....
 

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Jason Garrett just has whatever it is that makes men gravitate towards you. A natural leader. That's why when he stands on the sideline you see his team all around him.

And he's proud to be in the circle with those men. Proud to be in the circle with them.
 

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When I enlisted in the Army, upon arriving in basic training I saw soldiers in PT gear. I was really impressed by them. I thought to myself these guys are in the army. I quickly got my own PT gear and saw soldiers in ACUs. I thought these guys are the real deal. Really special. I soon got my own ACUs. I saw soldiers wearing black berets... and I again thought... these guys are legitimate. I graduated basic training and got my own black beret...

The fact that Garrett is so busy being in awe of his surroundings is because he knows he doesn't belong. He is criminally in over his head and if he had true respect for this organization, its fans, and its history he would have resigned years ago...
 

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No...you look here my British bud.....No coach can make Dak a talented QB...he simply does not have the talent base to excel at the position!
Now if you doubt this why isn't the NFL filled with Tom Brady's and Rodgers ....cause it can't be COACHED!!!!!
Dak stinks and that will not change for the rest of his very short upcoming career....

That might very well be the case, but I absolutely do not want Garrett or Linehan getting their hands on whomever it is that we decide to replace Dak. As I said, I don't think he's dreadful. I stated that he's probably average, and I think that is an accurate statement. He can win you some games, but he's yet proven that he can consistently do it on your own. Some of his flaws are things that are either impossible to coach or extremely difficult. For example, his footwork is still horrible from what I saw.

However, let's have a quick look at a bigger picture and see if we can spot a common problem. Dak has stood in the pocket for ages,and that is hurting us with how long it takes for him to get rid of the ball. However, Romo did that as well. Romo would stay in the pocket for ages and, arguably, took more abuse for it than necessary. Dak can throw a decent ball. His ball to Hurns for the touchdown was a lovely medium-long range ball. So, from that standpoint, I think the problem with the coaching is that the coaches are having the QBs hold the ball for ages. I want to see more slants because that is an opportunity to get the ball out much more quickly while gaining decent yardage for that reason. It is why I want to see a proper WCO-style offence that encourages Dak to get the ball out more quickly. I think he at least improve what can be improved from that standpoint. I think he'll be less likely too fumble or take a sack.

I'd also like to see more play actions. We are known for running the ball, and we like to set the tone with it. That is a good thing, but it should be complimented by a healthy dose of play action to really stall the defence. That was a massive part of his game in 2016. He doesn't have to throw it deep through it, but it did work really nicely against the Giants, didn't it? The trouble is, you will find that it is highly difficult to execute in the NFL on offence when your lot is predictable, and the Cowboys are massively predictable on offence. THAT is where the problem is with this team. I think it can be adjusted a bit for Dak in the ways I've laid out.
 

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I thoroughly believe he values what it means to be the coach of the Cowboys. I don't believe any coach since Landry truly understood what that means. Johnson was a great coach, but he didn't truly value it like Garrett. I'm not saying it makes him a good coach. In my opinion, he's not. I do think he started out trying to instill the pride of being a Cowboy in his players, but he's failed or given up trying.

Say what you want about him, the man truly understands what it means to be a Cowboy.
????.....Uh, in my book, many light years ago, Dallas stood for PRIDE, DOMINANCE, ACCOUNTABILITY, AGGRESSION, PREPARATION, COACHING TALENT, RISK, VICTORY, SUPERBOWLS, SUPERIORITY in every facet of the game.....

Howdy-Doody JG displays NONE of these qualities.......he simply continues to soil and stain the legacy of my once Supreme Franchise
 
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