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[BrassCowboy]

I have to give credit to Payton, he tore us apart as far as coaching and getting his guys ready to play.

The one play that I have to admit was brilliant was the onside kick that no one expected.... we were still kinda in the game and next thing you know he pulls one that would eat at the Cowboys on how they could allow it to happen. It was a great psyche move on their part.

On the flip side though, it gives us a blue print on what to not take for granted, and shows us that we need to never stop fighting for the win.

 

[wileedog]

I have to give credit to Payton, he tore us apart as far as coaching and getting his guys ready to play.

The one play that I have to admit was brilliant was the onside kick that no one expected.... we were still kinda in the game and next thing you know he pulls one that would eat at the Cowboys on how they could allow it to happen. It was a great psyche move on their part.

On the flip side though, it gives us a blue print on what to not take for granted, and shows us that we need to never stop fighting for the win.

I didn't like the call. The Saints had all the momentum in the world, why risk give Dallas a short field and potentially get them back in the game?

Like the 4th and 1 reverse, it looked good because it worked. But Payton is going to learn you can't make a living on calls like that.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have to give credit to Payton, he tore us apart as far as coaching and getting his guys ready to play.

The one play that I have to admit was brilliant was the onside kick that no one expected.... we were still kinda in the game and next thing you know he pulls one that would eat at the Cowboys on how they could allow it to happen. It was a great psyche move on their part.

On the flip side though, it gives us a blue print on what to not take for granted, and shows us that we need to never stop fighting for the win.

I agree. I think it was a great time to try and take advantage of a team that you have down. Had it failed the Saints still had a 3 possesion lead over the Cowboys so in my mind it was worth the risk.

 

[trueblue1687]

There's already a zillion page thread about this and I thought it pretty class less. The game was WELL in hand for them and they ran and threw the ball at will. Just a little "rub your face in it" typa conduct...much like the Keith Davis thing Parcells spoke of. All is fair I suppose, but I don't think anyone thought too highly of it who has actually played football. Don't think that other coaches didn't watch that and will return the favor to bring him down a notch or two. Payton did a great job coaching without having to pull that out. Guess it just depends on your game values as to how you look at it.

 

[Doomsday101]

There's already a zillion page thread about this and I thought it pretty class less. The game was WELL in hand for them and they ran and threw the ball at will. Just a little "rub your face in it" typa conduct...much like the Keith Davis thing Parcells spoke of. All is fair I suppose, but I don't think anyone thought too highly of it who has actually played football. Don't think that other coaches didn't watch that and will return the favor to bring him down a notch or two. Payton did a great job coaching without having to pull that out. Guess it just depends on your game values as to how you look at it.

I guess I see it different. Payton had a chance to put the game away and did it, I can't blame him or any other coach for doing something like that. Had Payton wanted to rub our face in it he could have gone ahead and put up more points when they were deep in the redzone with 3 min left yet they took a knee and gave the ball up on downs.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

There's already a zillion page thread about this and I thought it pretty class less. The game was WELL in hand for them and they ran and threw the ball at will. Just a little "rub your face in it" typa conduct...much like the Keith Davis thing Parcells spoke of. All is fair I suppose, but I don't think anyone thought too highly of it who has actually played football. Don't think that other coaches didn't watch that and will return the favor to bring him down a notch or two. Payton did a great job coaching without having to pull that out. Guess it just depends on your game values as to how you look at it.

I played football and I thought it was a great move. Those are exactly the type of things that Jimmy used to do when he coached the cowboys. It was an aggressive call and it took the remaining fight right out of the Cowboys. When Jimmy coached the cowboys he used to get blasted for this. He would always point out that he would stop trying to score when the other team stopped. Jimmy was awesome.

 

[Doomsday]

I played football and I thought it was a great move.

Well if you played football and thought it was a good one then it must of been. Enough said you did play football.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Well, TrueBlue did say that he didn't think anyone would think too highly of it who has actually played football.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I have to give credit to Payton, he tore us apart as far as coaching and getting his guys ready to play.

The one play that I have to admit was brilliant was the onside kick that no one expected.... we were still kinda in the game and next thing you know he pulls one that would eat at the Cowboys on how they could allow it to happen. It was a great psyche move on their part.

On the flip side though, it gives us a blue print on what to not take for granted, and shows us that we need to never stop fighting for the win.

I thought it was a brilliant call and at the perfect time.....it killed us

 

[1fisher]

There's already a zillion page thread about this and I thought it pretty class less. The game was WELL in hand for them and they ran and threw the ball at will. Just a little "rub your face in it" typa conduct...much like the Keith Davis thing Parcells spoke of. All is fair I suppose, but I don't think anyone thought too highly of it who has actually played football. Don't think that other coaches didn't watch that and will return the favor to bring him down a notch or two. Payton did a great job coaching without having to pull that out. Guess it just depends on your game values as to how you look at it.

Hey, I've played the game and I'll give Payton credit for calling the play. Risky, yes... but they were in control and could afford if it things didn't work out right. Heck, their "D" was stuffing us anyway! We probably wouldn't have scored if we had recovered!

If Parcells is the "genius" everyone thinks he is then he should have his guys prepared for this type thing! I can't stand the saints but you have to give them credit.... they totally owned the Cowboys last night!

 

[DrewBrees2006MVP]

I have to give credit to Payton, he tore us apart as far as coaching and getting his guys ready to play.

The one play that I have to admit was brilliant was the onside kick that no one expected.... we were still kinda in the game and next thing you know he pulls one that would eat at the Cowboys on how they could allow it to happen. It was a great psyche move on their part.

On the flip side though, it gives us a blue print on what to not take for granted, and shows us that we need to never stop fighting for the win.

It was a BALLSY move for sure.......but those are the type of calls that championship teams make.

 

[BrassCowboy]

There's already a zillion page thread about this and I thought it pretty class less. The game was WELL in hand for them and they ran and threw the ball at will. Just a little "rub your face in it" typa conduct...much like the Keith Davis thing Parcells spoke of. All is fair I suppose, but I don't think anyone thought too highly of it who has actually played football. Don't think that other coaches didn't watch that and will return the favor to bring him down a notch or two. Payton did a great job coaching without having to pull that out. Guess it just depends on your game values as to how you look at it.

well you say that because it happened to us (again! Eagles '96 or '97 i believe) but if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be saying it was a great time to call it.... when you can afford to take the risk and at same time take the fight out of the opponent... and that it did.

we better be ready next time because twice in ten years (cannot remember if we ever were fooled other than the two) is enough for me and was pissed that we were fooled last night.

 

[NorTex]

The onside kick was only brilliant because it worked. Same with them going for it on 4th down. Such is life in the NFL.

 

[Verdict]

It was only brilliant because it was recovered by the Saints. It was a "gutsy" call, for sure. I don't think I would have chanced it if I were the Saints, but it worked out for them.

 

[SteveOS]

That onside kick gave me a reason to buy another remote...and some drywall patch...some sandpaper....and a little paint.

 

[panchucko]

Yup, the pupil showing the master, you can't always just sit on the lead.
Sometimes you just need to rip their heart right out.

It sure worked. Especially on the fans.

 

[zeromaster]

Yeah, up 35-17 (we were kinda in the game?) and going for an onside kick. Seemed more like rubbing it in than anything else. Other than the field goal, we had the somewhat lucky touchdown to TO at the time, and needed 3 touchdowns to get the lead. The Saints had already answered our TD with Karney's 3rd TD, reviewed as a score. About the only positive we had at the time was that it was still the third quarter. But we didn't score any more points.

Props to him for it working, but that sort of thing may blow up on him down the road; just depends on the circumstances I guess.

 

[stealth]

It was a BALLSY move for sure.......but those are the type of calls that championship teams make.

lol you know so little about football it just makes me smile. Championship teams don't have to pull trick junk out their butts they just win.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Yeah, up 35-17 (we were kinda in the game?) and going for an onside kick. Seemed more like rubbing it in than anything else. Other than the field goal, we had the somewhat lucky touchdown to TO at the time, and needed 3 touchdowns to get the lead. The Saints had already answered our TD with Karney's 3rd TD, reviewed as a score. About the only positive we had at the time was that it was still the third quarter. But we didn't score any more points.

Props to him for it working, but that sort of thing may blow up on him down the road; just depends on the circumstances I guess.

but you have to admit, it did tear the heart out of the Cowboys, right?

that was Payton's plan and it happened to work. If it wouldn't of, oh well... would of kept going at it.

I agree with whoever said it costed them a new remote, drywall, plaster, and some painting... :bang2:

 

[justbob]

I played football and I thought it was a great move. Those are exactly the type of things that Jimmy used to do when he coached the cowboys. It was an aggressive call and it took the remaining fight right out of the Cowboys. When Jimmy coached the cowboys he used to get blasted for this. He would always point out that he would stop trying to score when the other team stopped. Jimmy was awesome.

DITTO---straight out of the Jimmy and Norv playbook ---totally take any fight out the other team with a fatal stab to the heart