Opinion between Aaron Donald and Jernigan

[DuDa]

That's pretty inaccurate.

Your opinion.

 

[TheFinisher]

Jernigan is a 1 tech in this scheme and Dallas will not draft a 1 tech. jernigan is very good vs the run and has a good motor the collapse the pocket but just isn't what marinelli looks for in a 3 tech. Jernigan is another Shariff Floyd. A good player but just not for this scheme as a 1st round pick.
Below are the comparisons and watching both on film look alot alike.
Remember Jernigan vs ACC; Floyd vs SEC.

Jernigan
6-2 299 31 5/8 arms
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/timmy-jernigan?id=2543461
2012 8 takles for loss and 1.5 sacks
2013 11 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/timmy-jernigan-1.html

Floyd
6-3 297 31 3/4 arms
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/sharrif-floyd?id=2540150
2011 6.5 tackles for a loss and 1.5 sacks
2012 13 tackles for loss and 3 sacks
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/shariff-floyd-1.html


Donald is a complete freak. He has amazing quickness and power. Far faster and stronger than Floyd or Jernigan and is the perfect ft for this scheme and the under tackle spot. But don;t think this guy can only player one scheme. He played the NT in a 3-4 last year at Pitt. So that shows he can hold his ground with his strength and leverage vs the run.

I don't care what people say about jernigan, I just do not see it. I don't see the fire off the ball, he stands straight up and then fights his way into the pocket. Donald is your true "rushman" as Marinelli would say. He fires off quick and splits his gap and makes plays in the back field.
Remember Donald also played in the ACC vs same teams as Jernigan with far less great talent around him.Donald isn't a one year wonder either. He has been doing this since 2011 as a Sophmore.

Donald
2011 16 tackles for loss and 11 sacks
2012 as a NT in a 3-4 18.5 tackles for a loss 5.5 sacks
2013 28.5 tackles for loss and 11 sacks
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/aaron-donald-1.html

production speaks for itself

Comparing their stats will of course favor Donald. He played an up the field 3-tech at Pitt who was asked to get into the backfield every down, Jernigan played Nose at FSU.

 

[TheFinisher]

Your opinion.

Sure, as well as everyone else who's familiar with him.

 

[DuDa]

Sure, as well as everyone else who's familiar with him.

Really? Give me one scouting report where it has Jernigan described as a "high motor" player. You don't recall people talking about him taking plays off and taking himself out of games because he was tired? Go watch all of his 2013 games like I have and then honestly tell me he doesn't coast a lot during games.

 

[TheFinisher]

Really? Give me one scouting report where it has Jernigan described as a "high motor" player. You don't recall people talking about him taking plays off and taking himself out of games because he was tired? Go watch all of his 2013 games like I have and then honestly tell me he doesn't coast a lot during games.

Super-charged motor
I can tell you this much: you need guys like Timmy Jernigan on your defense if you really want to intimidate people. Most stories of offensive guys being scared of a particular team's defense are likely overblown, but when you have a bunch of guys who are strong, physical and all run to the ball like their hair's on fire, opponents do sit up and take notice.

Jernigan is always looking to make a play, whether it be in the backfield, at the line of scrimmage or 10 yards down the field. That isn't something you see a lot from 300-pound guys, especially at the collegiate level.


I saw him trying to chase down screens (above).

I saw him chasing quarterbacks who had broken contain.

Hell, I even saw him run 30-something yards downfield to make a play against NC State. Had he not made it, the guy might have scored.

This kind of effort is going to make Jernigan a very productive player on the next level if he doesn't tail off. He won't be flashy most of the time, but he will keep working and working and working after the snap until he gets to the play. He'll line up on the next play and do it again.

I would expect that motor will also help him be an every-down player, rather than just a run-down player like most nose tackles. He won't have a bunch of flashy moves, but he will use his power well enough to force a double team with the center helping the guard to his side, leaving the three-technique with a one-on-one. When they decide not to double him, his power rushes should be enough for him to push the pocket back into the quarterback and make a play.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/14/5465948/timmy-jernigan-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report



There's one and I really don't have the time to go searching through to find scouting reports, especially when it's in regards to something so obvious as to him giving great effort.

 

[Alexander]

Jernigan's conditioning continues to bother me.

It bothered me in the national championship game. I realize that was blamed on the flu or something.

The additional concern is that he also was "winded" in his Pro Day workout according to Brandt.

If I am going to spend a top choice on a 1-technique, his conditioning better not be an issue.

I do not want to see Nick Hayden on the field any more than we have to. If Jernigan is the nose, he needs to be out there on all three downs if needed.

 

[Alexander]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/14/5465948/timmy-jernigan-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report



There's one and I really don't have the time to go searching through to find scouting reports, especially when it's in regards to something so obvious as to him giving great effort.

That report in particular mentioned slow get off the ball and tight hips. Might not be impressive for what we want.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Really? Give me one scouting report where it has Jernigan described as a "high motor" player. You don't recall people talking about him taking plays off and taking himself out of games because he was tired? Go watch all of his 2013 games like I have and then honestly tell me he doesn't coast a lot during games.

All you have to do is watch him play.

He takes plays off, generates like zero pressure, and can't get off a block to save his life.

 

[DuDa]

All you have to do is watch him play.

He takes plays off, generates like zero pressure, and can't get off a block to save his life.

Thank you, somebody that actually watches the players instead of just listening to the "experts" and assuming.

 

[Alexander]

All you have to do is watch him play.

He takes plays off, generates like zero pressure, and can't get off a block to save his life.

Gives me a massive Spears flashback.

 

[DuDa]

Gives me a massive Spears flashback.

I was thinking the same thing. Strong but not a bull, good athlete but not explosive, coasts or disappears for long stretches.

 

[locked&loaded]

If the team thinks that melton fills the niche Donald would fill, I would not have us go after Jernigan. Im starting to think Tuitt is the answer for our dline. He has athleticism and can play over 300, or as low as even 285. He is as big as Hageman, but more athletic. Could be moved around every play.

 

[Alexander]

If the team thinks that melton fills the niche Donald would fill, I would not have us go after Jernigan. Im starting to think Tuitt is the answer for our dline. He has athleticism and can play over 300, or as low as even 285. He is as big as Hageman, but more athletic. Could be moved around every play.

Tuitt is an intriguing player. He also seemed a little out of shape this past season. I think he easily slips out of the first and could be right there in the second.

 

[visionary]

Jernigan's conditioning continues to bother me.

It bothered me in the national championship game. I realize that was blamed on the flu or something.

The additional concern is that he also was "winded" in his Pro Day workout according to Brandt.

If I am going to spend a top choice on a 1-technique, his conditioning better not be an issue.

I do not want to see Nick Hayden on the field any more than we have to. If Jernigan is the nose, he needs to be out there on all three downs if needed.

if the team feels these are true then you dont touch the guy at 16

 

[Alexander]

if the team feels these are true then you dont touch the guy at 16

I absolutely agree. I would bring him in for a workout and if he gets winded then, off my board entirely.

 

[ViperDT9]

to have melton and Donald wow that would be an outstanding pass rush up the middle.

 

[DFWJC]

to have melton and Donald wow that would be an outstanding pass rush up the middle.

Don't think they would normally play at the same time though.
But yes, at least on paper, the DT3 iwould look locked up for years to come.

 

[ViperDT9]

Don't think they would normally play at the same time though.
But yes, at least on paper, the DT3 iwould look locked up for years to come.

no you definitely can run a 33 if you have both crashing the A gap..... its actually pretty deadly too. lol

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no you definitely can run a 33 if you have both crashing the A gap..... its actually pretty deadly too. lol

That would be more like an 11 and that is the type of stuff Missouri was doing with Ealy.

 

[xwalker]

Don't think they would normally play at the same time though.
But yes, at least on paper, the DT3 iwould look locked up for years to come.

If they were on the field together in the nickel and alternated at the 3 on base downs, they would each get about 67% of the snaps.