Opinion: Shaping up the Cowboys 2006 Draft

[Gryphon]

Originally posted by RedneckPanthrs from another sports forum:

This is shaping up to be a 2006 draft for the Cowboys.

Here's a quick recap.

1st round pick - Bobby Carpenter - Has done little to nothing. He's got up to nickel LB, but he's mostly a special teams player right now. Not good for a First rounder. I still would have traded down, picked up some more picks and targeted Nick Mangold to get us a good young center.

2nd Round pick - Anthony Fasano - This has been a so-so pick. There was really no one of consequence that's done better other than Devin Hester, but 2nd round is too quick to get a return guy, so Fasano was a good pick.

3rd round pick - Jason Hatcher - This guy is seriously the best pick we made. And I remember on draft day who much this pick worried us. Well, he's leading the team in QB pressures if I remember correctly, has 1.5 sacks, and could take over a starting position should Canty or Spears not get in gear.

4th round pick - Skyler Green - The whole point of this post. Has done NOTHING. Didn't even make the opening day roster! Could've used this pick for Elvis Dumervil who went to the Broncos with the next pick. At 5-11, 250 he'd probably have had to move to LB in our defense, but this kid already has 7 sacks for Denver and is turning out to be a stud.

5th round pick - Pat Watkins - We traded up for this guy and he's started a few games. Was a great pick for us, especially in a couple years when we gets used to the NFL speed. Will be a nice complement to an already young secondary.

6th round pick - Montavious Stanley - wasted pick as I believe he's not even on this team anymore.

7th round picks - McQuistan and Whitley - Neither has seen the field yet. McQuistan may take over soon for Flozell, but keep in mind that both of these guys cost us a shot at definite Rookie of the Year, Marques Colston who went to the Saints with the 252nd pick of the draft.

So let's see....none of our draft picks have made much of an impact. Watkins has since lost his starting job. Fasano usually makes 1 or 2 catches a game, Hatcher is a 3rd down lineman, Our first round pick is a special teams player, this has been a rather diappointing draft class IMO.

 

[Woods]

When evaluating our 2006 Draft, why not look at the entire picture?

Specifically, the UDFA as well? If you include Hoyte, Hurd, and Austin, we are getting production from many of our rookies (and I'm probably forgetting a name or two).

While these guys weren't picked in Rounds 1 - 7, the coaching staff DID have the foresight to get these guys right after the "official" draft was complete.

UDFA DO count, IMO.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

It takes 3 years to really determine how a draft was, so this in sort of knee-jerk.

BC will end up playing inside. The only pick that I can say pure sucked was Fat Green.

 

[Cochese]

Diddnt you notice the other rediculous post about our 06 draft? You cant judge these guys after 2/3rds of ONE season. Its just friggin asinine.

 

[Woods]

Gryphon,

I'd add that many of these "draft" magazines when giving a draft grade also don't take UDFA into account.

Take a player like Crayton, for example. We got him for "free". But isn't he worth around a 3rd round pick, for example? And how about Romo?

I just think all these rookies need to be collectively looked at when doing the evaluation. Does it really even matter where they came from (i.e., draft or UDFA)?

 

[Big Dakota]

Grading a draft 7 months after it took place is like judging your team after the 3rd week. Is it fair to say we could have used more from this class? Yes. Is it fair to say it is disappointing draft? Not yet by a long shot.

 

[Gryphon]

Gryphon,

I'd add that many of these "draft" magazines when giving a draft grade also don't take UDFA into account.

Take a player like Crayton, for example. We got him for "free". But isn't he worth around a 3rd round pick, for example? And how about Romo?

I just think all these rookies need to be collectively looked at when doing the evaluation. Does it really even matter where they came from (i.e., draft or UDFA)?

I understand. This guy was responding to one of my posts.

 

[Big Dakota]

It takes 3 years to really determine how a draft was, so this in sort of knee-jerk.

BC will end up playing inside. The only pick that I can say pure sucked was Fat Green.

I wouldn't be surprised to see both Stanley and Green in camp next spring. Just guys that need more time. Stanley was is no way ready to take on the NG spot.Maybe after a year he will be more ready? Worth bringing back IMHO. Green is a niche player. Bill has said all along he was drafted as a return guy. He was moved to RB and that was probably the right move. Niche players have to excite right out of the gate because obviously their role is a lot more limited and Green didn't do that. There again, maybe in his second camp he clicks?

 

[EPL0c0]

On Carp: you're a 1st round pick, you're expected to contribute quickly. He's one of the reason I think there should be a rookie salary cap, so teams don't get screwed by overpaying draftday busts. I'm still not convinced that most of his great play at tOSU was due to the presence of AJ Hawk.

For Green, the position he was drafted to play (returner) is VERY important. It is not a position w/ depth, so it's not like he can wait a year or two. If he sucks, it can hurt the offense AND defense w/ crap field position. Returner is a vital position and those guys must produce immediately. He didn't.

On Fasano: The guy does block ok. I think his role in that aspect has diminished w/ the emergence of Oliver Hoyte as the primary blocker. Good utility player. Decent pick.

Watkins will learn his position better and the linemen will develop slowly. We can't hit homeruns every draft. 2005 definitely spoiled many Cowboys fans (myself included)

Go Cowboys!

 

[BrassCowboy]

Originally posted by RedneckPanthrs from another sports forum:

This is shaping up to be a 2006 draft for the Cowboys.

Here's a quick recap.

1st round pick - Bobby Carpenter - Has done little to nothing. He's got up to nickel LB, but he's mostly a special teams player right now. Not good for a First rounder. I still would have traded down, picked up some more picks and targeted Nick Mangold to get us a good young center.

2nd Round pick - Anthony Fasano - This has been a so-so pick. There was really no one of consequence that's done better other than Devin Hester, but 2nd round is too quick to get a return guy, so Fasano was a good pick.

3rd round pick - Jason Hatcher - This guy is seriously the best pick we made. And I remember on draft day who much this pick worried us. Well, he's leading the team in QB pressures if I remember correctly, has 1.5 sacks, and could take over a starting position should Canty or Spears not get in gear.

4th round pick - Skyler Green - The whole point of this post. Has done NOTHING. Didn't even make the opening day roster! Could've used this pick for Elvis Dumervil who went to the Broncos with the next pick. At 5-11, 250 he'd probably have had to move to LB in our defense, but this kid already has 7 sacks for Denver and is turning out to be a stud.

5th round pick - Pat Watkins - We traded up for this guy and he's started a few games. Was a great pick for us, especially in a couple years when we gets used to the NFL speed. Will be a nice complement to an already young secondary.

6th round pick - Montavious Stanley - wasted pick as I believe he's not even on this team anymore.

7th round picks - McQuistan and Whitley - Neither has seen the field yet. McQuistan may take over soon for Flozell, but keep in mind that both of these guys cost us a shot at definite Rookie of the Year, Marques Colston who went to the Saints with the 252nd pick of the draft.

So let's see....none of our draft picks have made much of an impact. Watkins has since lost his starting job. Fasano usually makes 1 or 2 catches a game, Hatcher is a 3rd down lineman, Our first round pick is a special teams player, this has been a rather diappointing draft class IMO.

are you even a Cowboys fan? All I ever see you post is negative stuff. I do not even know who you are except that all you do is whine like a bunch of sour grapes.

It will be ok, matter of fact with our youth, I believe it will be much more than ok.

 

[Gryphon]

are you even a Cowboys fan? All I ever see you post is negative stuff. I do not even know who you are except that all you do is whine like a bunch of sour grapes.

It will be ok, matter of fact with our youth, I believe it will be much more than ok.

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[BrassCowboy]

I provide a variety of information. Thank you for your comments.

after rereading my post, it does sound harsh... your response is fair enough

 

[Rampage]

are you even a Cowboys fan? All I ever see you post is negative stuff. I do not even know who you are except that all you do is whine like a bunch of sour grapes.

It will be ok, matter of fact with our youth, I believe it will be much more than ok.

a real fan can admit the bad. unlike some julius jones homers on here

 

[AbeBeta]

Why do folks think we could have traded down? Most evaluations of the draft had it as very "flat" from picks 15-30ish -- that means teams didn't see value in moving up -- you could get the same quality player by staying put -- who exactly would want to make a trade in that case?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

6th round pick - Montavious Stanley - wasted pick as I believe he's not even on this team anymore.

he's backing up Ferg at NT, and BP seems to think he's starting to get it

or was coached better in Miami lol

7th round picks - McQuistan and Whitley - Neither has seen the field yet. McQuistan may take over soon for Flozell, but keep in mind that both of these guys cost us a shot at definite Rookie of the Year, Marques Colston who went to the Saints with the 252nd pick of the draft.

hindsight is 20/20, but I know for a fact Colston would probably be no better than 3rd on the depth chart, and we kind of made up for it signing Sam Hurd and Miles Austin as UFAs

this has been a rather diappointing draft class IMO.

at the moment, yes, but on one hand, we're stacked w/ talent that we don't need rookies to be huge contributors for us

 

[lkelly]

"Derek Ross was an absolute STEAL! Future Pro-Bowler!" - Feb. 2003
"Bradie James - what a bust. We passed up on Onterrio Smith AND Lee Suggs!" - Nov. 2004
"Rob Petitti will be a fixture at right tackle for years. Can't believe we nabbed him in the 6th round!" - December 2005

More words of wisdom you could theoretically read on this board.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is shaping up to be a 2006 draft for the Cowboys.

Here's a quick recap.

Wow that was a fast 3 years. Where does the time go?

 

[burmafrd]

Love how Just Say cannot let any chance go to bash JJ. I enjoy it because for every time he makes a post like that, so many are laughing at him.
I did a thread like this yesterday- several posters whined. I enjoy that as well.
Carp has disapointed this year- but we hope for more. Fasano has done OK, no more. Green- nuff said. Hatcher really has been the find this year. Watkins- we have hope as well. Monty is back so maybe 2nd time is the charm. But really- only impact from 2 players this year does not make this a great draft- hopefully things look better this time next year.

 

[ZeroClub]

If McQuistan develops into a decent starting LT, the 2006 draft will be judged a great success.



By the way, McQuistan and Whitley did not cost the Cowboys a shot at Colston. Had the Cowboys (or any other team in the NFL) known how Colston would develop, those teams could have - and would have - picked Colston earlier than the 7th round.

 

[md2005]

Agreed Woods. Those guys are legitmate players and should be included. In addtion, Romo should be included in the first draft by BP.

Newman, Witten, James, Romo -- SOUNDS LIKE A CORNER STONE TO ME