Opinion: Shaping up the Cowboys 2006 Draft

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summerisfunner;1218494 said:
he's backing up Ferg at NT, and BP seems to think he's starting to get it

or was coached better in Miami lol



hindsight is 20/20, but I know for a fact Colston would probably be no better than 3rd on the depth chart, and we kind of made up for it signing Sam Hurd and Miles Austin as UFAs



at the moment, yes, but on one hand, we're stacked w/ talent that we don't need rookies to be huge contributors for us
Good post. If your starters are playing great and snatching up all the playing time, then your rookies arent going to see the field much. Plus, if your rookies are contributing a whole lot, you probably arent that good of a team
 

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Not sure why people continue to grade drafts during a season or even in the first couple of seasons...

I think most coaches or prognosticators will tell you that you really don't know how your draft turned out until about the 3rd season...

This is a waste of time...
 

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Gryphon;1218363 said:
Originally posted by RedneckPanthrs from another sports forum:

This is shaping up to be a 2006 draft for the Cowboys.

Here's a quick recap.

1st round pick - Bobby Carpenter - Has done little to nothing. He's got up to nickel LB, but he's mostly a special teams player right now. Not good for a First rounder. I still would have traded down, picked up some more picks and targeted Nick Mangold to get us a good young center.

2nd Round pick - Anthony Fasano - This has been a so-so pick. There was really no one of consequence that's done better other than Devin Hester, but 2nd round is too quick to get a return guy, so Fasano was a good pick.

3rd round pick - Jason Hatcher - This guy is seriously the best pick we made. And I remember on draft day who much this pick worried us. Well, he's leading the team in QB pressures if I remember correctly, has 1.5 sacks, and could take over a starting position should Canty or Spears not get in gear.

4th round pick - Skyler Green - The whole point of this post. Has done NOTHING. Didn't even make the opening day roster! Could've used this pick for Elvis Dumervil who went to the Broncos with the next pick. At 5-11, 250 he'd probably have had to move to LB in our defense, but this kid already has 7 sacks for Denver and is turning out to be a stud.

5th round pick - Pat Watkins - We traded up for this guy and he's started a few games. Was a great pick for us, especially in a couple years when we gets used to the NFL speed. Will be a nice complement to an already young secondary.

6th round pick - Montavious Stanley - wasted pick as I believe he's not even on this team anymore.

7th round picks - McQuistan and Whitley - Neither has seen the field yet. McQuistan may take over soon for Flozell, but keep in mind that both of these guys cost us a shot at definite Rookie of the Year, Marques Colston who went to the Saints with the 252nd pick of the draft.

So let's see....none of our draft picks have made much of an impact. Watkins has since lost his starting job. Fasano usually makes 1 or 2 catches a game, Hatcher is a 3rd down lineman, Our first round pick is a special teams player, this has been a rather diappointing draft class IMO.


It is premature to evaluate anyone on this team unless they have been cut, i.e., a relatively high pick that has been released such as Skyler Green. Montavious Stanley has been resigned by the Cowboys. He was picked up and released by the Jaguars. When we resigned him a few weeks ago Parcells commented that Stanley looks better and that apparently the Jaguars coaching staff did a better job with him than we did.

Stanley has great physical tools. If his head catches up with his body he could be great nose tackle addition or backup.
 

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alot of hindsight in this analysis. Picking Mangold, Dumervil and Colston if you can see the future you shouldn't be posting on the cowboyszone, you should be in Vegas.
 

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Even I, with my crap ability to pick talent, could put together a Pro Bowl team using hindsight...

Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
 

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Woods;1218376 said:
Gryphon,

I'd add that many of these "draft" magazines when giving a draft grade also don't take UDFA into account.

Take a player like Crayton, for example. We got him for "free". But isn't he worth around a 3rd round pick, for example? And how about Romo?

I just think all these rookies need to be collectively looked at when doing the evaluation. Does it really even matter where they came from (i.e., draft or UDFA)?


Crayton was a pick not an udfa
 

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Don't have a problem grading draft picks before first year even ends simply cause it's something to do. But no one can realistically believe those grades count for anything cause 1 year later, 2 years later, the whole draft looks vastly different.

The 03 draft does look real good cause anytime you get 3 legit starters you've done remarkably well.
 

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My thoughts.
Gryphon;1218363 said:
Originally posted by RedneckPanthrs from another sports forum:

This is shaping up to be a 2006 draft for the Cowboys.

Here's a quick recap.

1st round pick - Bobby Carpenter - Has done little to nothing. He's got up to nickel LB, but he's mostly a special teams player right now. Not good for a First rounder. I still would have traded down, picked up some more picks and targeted Nick Mangold to get us a good young center.
Carpenter has been disappointing as a rookie, but who knows he could be a starter next season. I think if Jones/BP had to do it all over again they may have gone with Maroney or traded down if possible. I don't see why they need Mangold they have two good young centers already and will likely let Johnson go in free agency. (one too many)

2nd Round pick - Anthony Fasano - This has been a so-so pick. There was really no one of consequence that's done better other than Devin Hester, but 2nd round is too quick to get a return guy, so Fasano was a good pick. I think Fasano is going to be a huge contributor next season. He already had a big play last week that ended in a PI that led to a td.

3rd round pick - Jason Hatcher - This guy is seriously the best pick we made. And I remember on draft day who much this pick worried us. Well, he's leading the team in QB pressures if I remember correctly, has 1.5 sacks, and could take over a starting position should Canty or Spears not get in gear. I agree, to get a talented pass rushing 3-4 sized end in the 3rd round is quite the bargain.

4th round pick - Skyler Green - The whole point of this post. Has done NOTHING. Didn't even make the opening day roster! Could've used this pick for Elvis Dumervil who went to the Broncos with the next pick. At 5-11, 250 he'd probably have had to move to LB in our defense, but this kid already has 7 sacks for Denver and is turning out to be a stud. I didn't like this pick on draft day too much, but figured if he could be a quality returner(compared to Dante Hall) it would be a good pick. Didn't happen for him this year, but who knows. Dante Hall didn't breakout until his 3rd year. Green 5.2 avg.- Hall 6.2 avg in 2000, 7.3 in 2001, 13.4 in 2002. BP would never have drafted Dumervil at 5-11, guys he would have been looking at would be Mark Anderson and Brent Hawkins. A guy I think they missed out on was Barry Cofield the pick before by the Giants. He looks like a great young NT.

5th round pick - Pat Watkins - We traded up for this guy and he's started a few games. Was a great pick for us, especially in a couple years when we gets used to the NFL speed. Will be a nice complement to an already young secondary. He looks to be a very promising safety, too bad he couldn't have excelled this year.

6th round pick - Montavious Stanley - wasted pick as I believe he's not even on this team anymore. He's been back a few weeks and BP said that he looks improved since he had him last.

7th round picks - McQuistan and Whitley - Neither has seen the field yet. McQuistan may take over soon for Flozell, but keep in mind that both of these guys cost us a shot at definite Rookie of the Year, Marques Colston who went to the Saints with the 252nd pick of the draft. McQuistan was a great pick, BP is high on the guy. Whitley who knows we never saw him. Colston would have been a great pick, but Hurd was more impressive in preseason, but can't get much with our depth. BP has been praising both Hurd and Austin. I believe he once even said that they both could be special.

So let's see....none of our draft picks have made much of an impact. Watkins has since lost his starting job. Fasano usually makes 1 or 2 catches a game, Hatcher is a 3rd down lineman, Our first round pick is a special teams player, this has been a rather diappointing draft class IMO.
 

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who made up this 3 year evaluation rule? why not 5 or 15? or how bout a week!!! Why do we even watch the draft in April if we dont care about their success until 3 years down the road... It sounds to me like the NFL needs a minor league system!!!


the fact is this team's draft has not been forced into action because of the health of the team... If this team had injuries like most other teams Some rookies would be forced to play and contribute at a high level!!!


the Boys got lucky this year!!!
 

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maroney?, it had to be an olb. with ellis gone, we would have had singleton and fujita...

manny lawson was the guy. Intelligent guy, great off the field. been playing ok for the 49ers. his only fault was not being the son of a former player. :banghead:it's not shawne vs demarcus, where shawne had questionable character. manny lawson was the perfect pick.

i bet that osu game against vince young where he played great, convinced them bobby would be great. but he's like guys that play with ray lewis, they look great but put them on another team and they suddenly suck. so don't eat the cheese on adalius thomas either.
 
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