Opinions - LED LCD vs Plasma

Warick

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Ok, my tv finally died off, and I'm looking to purchase a new set, and not sure what I want to get yet. For as much as the new tvs cost, I just want to make sure I get something good, but reasonably priced.

I don't really watch much tv anymore except for football, and hockey games, with a movie here and there. I am more concerned with is picture quality, as opposed to size. What I don't want is a tv that has a lot of fast motion pixelation, and ghosting. That would drive me nuts.

I was looking at the 240hz Samsung LED, LCD tv's from Best Buy, but they are sort of pricey ($2000). Someone told me that I should look at plasma, because they don't have the problems with motion pixelation, ghosting that seem to plague LCD's. I have heard that the burn in problems have been fixed, but I'm concerned about heat output, and such.

What tv do you have, size, refresh rate, and do you have problems with pixelation? What do you like, and not like about your tv? If you had another chance to get a different tv, what would you get, and why?

Thanks, and looking forward to your opinions. :D
 

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Actually LCD TVs dont have issues with ghosting like plasmas do. They have it backwards but really the technology has gotten 10x better so it really isnt much of an issue as long as you break it in well.

I own a 42 inch LCD and a 52 inch Plasma and I think overall the Plasma TVs have a much better picture. I had bought the LCD first because of gaming and refresh rates and went with a Plasma on my next purchase because I liked the picture much better and the refresh rates etc. are over blown. The colors and contrast on the plasma are 10x better and more natural. It is really noticeable if you look at the two TVs from the side as opposed to straight on.

That said some of it is personal preference, I would go to Best Buy and take a look at a few different models of LCD and Plasma TVs and see which one you prefer. I dont think you can go wrong with either one.
 

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So long as you stick with the G10 or G15 Panasonic plasmas, you should be ok.

If you really only care about sports on tv, like you say, then plasma is the best choice.
 

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I have a 1080i crt....nice picture. I also have a 720p 19" lcd. Decent picture. My parents just got a 50" 720p samsung, great picture. My crt handles blacks better but the 50" is very impressive. They got it for $780 or so. For the $$, you can't beat it. The LED looked REALLy nice but all that new stuf is kinda a waste. I think you'll be happy with whatever you get. The technology is way better now than it was 5 years ago. What video are you pumping into the tv?
 

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What ever you choose to go with, be sure to check out elevations and how each opperates in different elevations. I didn't think it was a big deal but it actually is.
 

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Plasma definitely over LCD...

The new LED tv's are supposed to be pretty nice too... I've never seen it in person tho.
 

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adamc91115;2941594 said:
Plasma definitely over LCD...

The new LED tv's are supposed to be pretty nice too... I've never seen it in person tho.


The LED's are REALLY nice. I am also a fan of the plasma tv's over the LCD.

Price wise though, you can't really go wrong w/ an LCD. They have some really nice models w/ pretty good HD pictures.
 

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I chose LCD over plasma because of the brightness. The plasma's were not as bright and clear as the LCD I bought (LG 1080i 42").

I haven't visited Best Buy to check out the LED yet, but it's hard to believe it can be THAT much better.
 

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Aikmaniac;2941784 said:
I chose LCD over plasma because of the brightness. The plasma's were not as bright and clear as the LCD I bought (LG 1080i 42").

I haven't visited Best Buy to check out the LED yet, but it's hard to believe it can be THAT much better.

Plasma's black levels are superior to LCD's. That's why I went w/ my Plasma.

But I am in the market for a new 60+ tv.

Samsung has some REALLY incredible TV's out atm. If you folks know any good 60" TV's that's worth a look, please drop model here.

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Warick

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Thanks for the responses everyone.

If I go with plasma, I'm thinking about going with the Panasonic 50" TC-P50G10.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9236338&type=product&id=1218064404632
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I'm just a little concerned about what I'm reading with image retention, and burn in. To everyone that has a plasma, is the heat that the tv puts out very noticeable?

If I do go with LCD, this is the model Im looking at. 46" LED LCD. 240hz.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9293579&type=product&id=1218076082869

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kmp77, I have verizon fios, and will upgrade to hd when I get a new tv. The video quality is awesome on standard def tvs, so I can only imagine what it will look like in hd.

Dallas, are you looking at another plasma, or something different?
 

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If want a tv with a nice picture, glare on the screen from any light source in the room and a Dearborn heater built in, by all means go with a plasma. I kept my 50" Samsung plasma for about 3 days and took it back and got a Hitachi LCD.
 

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Home Theater : Ask The Expert Published: 2009-05-29 - 17:57:53
How is Samsung LED TV Different From LCD HDTV?

By Chris Boylan


Question:

Dear Big Picture Big Sound,

I've been hearing and seeing a lot about these new LED TV models from Samsung. How are these different from LCD and plasma flat panel HDTV televisions? Is it really a "new species of TV" as they are claiming? And how does this relate to OLED TVs? Are they the same thing?

-Larry
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Hi, Larry,

I'm glad you asked as this has been coming up a lot lately. Frankly, Samsung's so-called "LED TV"is an LCD TV. The only difference is the backlighting technology - the actual LCD panels are exactly the same as other LCD televisions. Traditional LCD TVs use CCFL backlights (Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp) - think thin fluorescent tubes with a diffusing panel inside to spread the light evenly around the screen. Meanwhile, Samsung's "LED TVs" (or to be more precise, LED-lit LCD TVs) use LED elements for the lighting source (think "Lite Brite" pegs, but all of them white). Samsung is trying to promote this LED backlighting technology as an entirely new category of TV, which is a little misleading.

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Samsung's LED-lit LN46A950 uses an LED backlight assembly with local dimming to produce superior contrast. But it's still an LCD TV.There are some advantages to using LED elements instead of CCFL backlights as the light source for an LCD TV, but not all of the benefits are present in all LED-lit TVs. The biggest potential advantage of LED backlighting over CCFL backlights is if the TV has what's called "local dimming." In this case, the TV has an array of LED elements behind the LCD panel which lights up the panel. You can think about this like a massive "Lite Brite" toy placed behind the LCD panel with all the holes filled with bright white lights. Having a light source like this allows you to do two things: a.) you can get a nice uniform light source throughout the panel (picture uniformity is a problem for many LCD TVs) and b.) the local dimming feature allows the TV to turn off portions of the backlight array when the picture needs this. This last bit is a big deal and is something you just can't do with the CCFL-lit LCD TVs.

One advantage of plasma technology over traditional LCD TVs is that plasma pixels (picture elements) are self-emissive (self-illuminating) and independently controlled. If you need a black background in a movie you're watching on a plasma TV, then the plasma pixels can effectively be turned off on a pixel by pixel basis. This produces a deep black picture. Meanwhile, with a traditional LCD TV, the light source is actually a backlight assembly which shines through the LCD pixels to produce an image. But an LCD pixel can never be made 100% opaque - there is always a little bit of bleed-through. This is why most LCD TVs never quite get as black as they should. At best they can get a very dark gray, due to this light bleed. With LED-lit LCD TVs with local dimming, you can completely turn off the lighting in certain areas of the screen, giving you black levels that are just about as good as plasma. It's not quite as precise as plasma or OLED (both self-emissive technologies), but it's pretty damn good.

Are you still with me? So, with LED-lit LCD TVs that have an array of LED elements and local dimming, you can get really nice contrast and black levels, as well as higher power efficiency over plasma and traditional LCD TVs. So what's the problem? Well the brand new LED-lit LCD TVs that Samsung recently unveiled do not use local dimming. They use a different (less expensive, less complicated) process called "edge-lighting." LED edge-lit LCD TVs use a line of LED elements around the edge of the TV which focus their light inward (toward the center of the TV), into a thin multi-layer sandwich of clear and translucent plastic sheets which are designed to diffuse the light, making the backlight source as uniform as possible. They spread the light out evenly behind the LCD panel in order to produce a clear, bright, white light source. But because that backlight has no local-dimming capabilities, it is really not significantly different from a CCFL-lit LCD TV in terms of its black levels and contrast.

The advantages of these edge-lit TVs over traditional CCFL-backlit LCD TVs are primarily in thickness (edge-lit LED/LCD TVs are really thin), and power efficiency (edge-lit LED/LCD TVs are very power-efficient). There also can be some advantages in color reproduction and contrast levels but these are more subtle in actual day to day use compared to the best CCFL LCD TVs.

To a certain extent, I think Samsung may be trying to capitalize on the buzz around OLED (Organic Light-Emitting Diode) TVs, which are something completely different. OLED TVs maintain the contrast benefits of plasma but are even thinner and produce really bright saturated colors. I saw a Sony OLED prototype at CEATEC 2008 in Japan that was the about the thickness of two business cards and could actually be bent without damaging the image or screen. Unfortunately OLED TVs still have some challenges in terms of manufacturing that will probably keep these out of the mainstream for some time. So far the largest OLED TV you can buy (made by Sony) is 11 inches diagonal and sells for $2500 (the XEL-1). Most consumers are looking for something a bit bigger (and less expensive).

To make things even more confusing, Samsung does make LED-backlit LCD HDTVs with local dimming technology. Their 950 series LCD TVs are exactly this, and actually they do offer excellent performance (though they do cost significantly more than traditional LCD TVs). Sony and Toshiba also make LED-backlit LCD TVs (some models with with local dimming). Even VIZIO has announced a 55-inch LED-lit LCD TV with local dimming that they plan to start selling later this summer (the VF551XVT). Currently these TVs are much more expensive than traditional LCD TVs, and even more expensive than high-end plasma TVs. But the costs should come down over time.

Hope that helps clear things up.

Regards,

-Chris
 

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If you have the room, go for a front screen projector.

I have the Panasonic PT-AE1000U.

Advantages:

* Spectacular picture quality with DVD
* Outstanding image resolution in HD
* Reasonably bright if installed properly
* Superb black level and contrast
* Excellent versatility with zoom and lens shift
* Low fan noise
* Low price

Limitations:

* Short one-year warranty-extensions may offset price advantage (ask dealers about extended warranty options)
* Some calibrations and lens settings seriously curtail brightness

We were overwhelmed by the superior image quality that the AE1000 produces with standard DVDs. None of the other projectors in the group can match the AE1000's capabilities with this material. Furthermore, with the updated review of the production sample, we find that image acuity with HD sources is as good as it gets as well. Overall, due to exceptional performance with both HD and DVD, the Panasonic AE1000 is our favorite among the 1080p models we've seen so far.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/1080p_shootout.htm
 

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I chose LCD over plasma because of the brightness. The plasma's were not as bright and clear as the LCD I bought (LG 1080i 42").

I haven't visited Best Buy to check out the LED yet, but it's hard to believe it can be THAT much better.

In my opinion LCDs are too bright, they make whites appear to glow in the dark, it isnt nearly as natural of a picture as a Plasma.
 

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Thanks for the info BigDakota. Very interesting about the LED's..

I have a feeling I will probably end up getting the Panasonic plasma, even though the image burn thing, and the heat output are somewhat of a concern.
 

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The other thing that I have not heard mentioned and it may or may not matter, is that some plasma tv's get pretty hot and they use more power than an LCD/LED.
 

Warick

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That was one of my concerns as well. I talked with someone last night who has a 42 inch plasma, and they said it can get warm, but it's not that bad, unless you have it in a small room. Hoping some folks here who have plasmas can chime in on this. Do they really get that hot, and as far as power consumption, are they worse than the old crt tv's?
 

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adbutcher;2944198 said:
If you have the room, go for a front screen projector.

I have the Panasonic PT-AE1000U.

Advantages:

* Spectacular picture quality with DVD
* Outstanding image resolution in HD
* Reasonably bright if installed properly
* Superb black level and contrast
* Excellent versatility with zoom and lens shift
* Low fan noise
* Low price

Limitations:

* Short one-year warranty-extensions may offset price advantage (ask dealers about extended warranty options)
* Some calibrations and lens settings seriously curtail brightness

We were overwhelmed by the superior image quality that the AE1000 produces with standard DVDs. None of the other projectors in the group can match the AE1000's capabilities with this material. Furthermore, with the updated review of the production sample, we find that image acuity with HD sources is as good as it gets as well. Overall, due to exceptional performance with both HD and DVD, the Panasonic AE1000 is our favorite among the 1080p models we've seen so far.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/1080p_shootout.htm

It is a very nice unit but beware, they have some issues. The iris has a tendency to freeze up causing the unit to power off a few seconds after it is turned on. The unit I had experience with had this issue and after sending it in, the bulb was due for replacement and we just decided to ditch this model and get something else.

And if you do go projector, do not mount it on the ceiling. Its nice to have it out of the way but you will thank me later. Leveling and repairing is an absolute bear when you have it off the floor.
 
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