Orlovsky ranks the impact of starting QBs

[Mac_MaloneV1]

This can't be a serious question. With Herbert, Dallas beats San Francisco comfortably in both playoff games the past two years.

Lol ok, if you say so. There is absolutely 0 tangible data to suggest that.

In fact, when the Chargers played the 9ers last year, Herbert had a passer rating of 73 and the Chargers offense only scored 16 points - 3 of which came on a 3-and-out that started in 49ers territory. So really, the Cowboys might have had a better chance to score 13 than 12, but anything beyond that is just nonsense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

that balance is only viable when the QB is a strong passing threat . No one is afraid of dak's passing . Heck the 49ers dared him to pass by stomping the run , and when dak did pass , 3 interceptions. hope this helps you,

and wouldn't the exact same comment go for Running game? if the run game works, then it helps passing game and if its not working, then it makes passing game difficult.

with that said, Dak is not Mahomes. he can't pass his way and needs stronger support. Same as Hurts. he had the best or second best running attack in the NFL. forced defenses to dedicate more to stopping the run, which helped him out.

hope this helps you.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

well, after 8 years with dak, and only 2 playoff wiins. don't you think the most valuable franchise in the world deserves better after 27 years of no CCG or SB ? or are you just content with the current results.
The QB doesnt have to be mahomes good, just something close to top 5. Look what the bengals and eagles and others have done.

again, you just avoided the question and indirectly said, I expect Dak after 8 years to be like Mahomes.

I think the most valuable franchise in the world deserves a different GM. 27 years as you said. not all Dak.

the non elite QBs need help to succeed. all of them. and we have had one side or the other and half empty solutions....all points to the GM.

the Bengals had #1 over all pick happened to get a close to Elite if not elite already QB (they didn't end up with mayfield or turbiskey).
Eagles had a very strong team, best OL in football. a top 3 defense. one of the best DLs in the game, a top 3 WR group, a top 5 TE and top 3 running game. credit goes to their GM.

 

[basel90]

Eagles? Hurts had 127 yards against San Fran. Even less than Dak did lol.

really ? the eagles blew out the 49ers. you are still comparing ? don't get fooled by dak's occasional stats etc. it is an empty calorie excercies.
also , the eagles have been to 2 super bowls in the last 7 year compared to 0 in the last 27 years for the cowboys.

 

[basel90]

The 49ers played us for the pass lol. The problem was they weren’t scared of Zeke running…..

you are right about zeke . and the way the game went on , dak's passing did not save the cowboys . A typical trend with dak ., ,if the run stalls , the cowboys are toast.

 

[basel90]

and wouldn't the exact same comment go for Running game? if the run game works, then it helps passing game and if its not working, then it makes passing game difficult.

with that said, Dak is not Mahomes. he can't pass his way and needs stronger support. Same as Hurts. he had the best or second best running attack in the NFL. forced defenses to dedicate more to stopping the run, which helped him out.

hope this helps you.

agree, you need to have that dual threat .
I agree zeke was not a threat at all.

 

[basel90]

again, you just avoided the question and indirectly said, I expect Dak after 8 years to be like Mahomes.

I think the most valuable franchise in the world deserves a different GM. 27 years as you said. not all Dak.

the non elite QBs need help to succeed. all of them. and we have had one side or the other and half empty solutions....all points to the GM.

the Bengals had #1 over all pick happened to get a close to Elite if not elite already QB (they didn't end up with mayfield or turbiskey).
Eagles had a very strong team, best OL in football. a top 3 defense. one of the best DLs in the game, a top 3 WR group, a top 5 TE and top 3 running game. credit goes to their GM.

no argument about the GM and the FO . They messed up a lot , with or without dak ,. The overall talent acquisition and personnel decisions is designed for commercial reasons first and not super bowls. They want to win 10 to 12 games and go to the playoffs and avoid losing seasons or embarassments. So no bold moves or super bowl engineered cap . The result is a lot of 8-8 or 10 and 11 win seasons and no CCG or SB.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

really ? the eagles blew out the 49ers. you are still comparing ? don't get fooled by dak's occasional stats etc. it is an empty calorie excercies.
also , the eagles have been to 2 super bowls in the last 7 year compared to 0 in the last 27 years for the cowboys.

Hurts had 127 yards against the 49ers….explain it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

you are right about zeke . and the way the game went on , dak's passing did not save the cowboys . A typical trend with dak ., ,if the run stalls , the cowboys are toast.

Yeah because a week prior the run really helped Dak out.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

no argument about the GM and the FO . They messed up a lot , with or without dak ,. The overall talent acquisition and personnel decisions is designed for commercial reasons first and not super bowls. They want to win 10 to 12 games and go to the playoffs and avoid losing seasons or embarassments. So no bold moves or super bowl engineered cap . The result is a lot of 8-8 or 10 and 11 win seasons and no CCG or SB.

 

[erod]

Its not like the chargers and SF didnt play last year.....Chargers scored 16 and got beat, why is this such a given?

Dak was working with a lot more offensive talent than Herbert.

 

[erod]

Lol ok, if you say so. There is absolutely 0 tangible data to suggest that.

In fact, when the Chargers played the 9ers last year, Herbert had a passer rating of 73 and the Chargers offense only scored 16 points - 3 of which came on a 3-and-out that started in 49ers territory. So really, the Cowboys might have had a better chance to score 13 than 12, but anything beyond that is just nonsense.

With better talent two years in a row, Dak was completely shut down by the 49ers in the playoffs. Home and away.

And Dak is 5 years older.

 

[erod]

Eagles? Hurts had 127 yards against San Fran. Even less than Dak did lol.

In an Eagles blowout. This is a prime reason to ignore stats. They mean nothing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak was working with a lot more offensive talent than Herbert.

A lot is a stretch. Herbert had good offensive personnel around him. He also didn't have Garrett and linehan

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In an Eagles blowout. This is a prime reason to ignore stats. They mean nothing.

It was a blowout but it sure as hell wasn’t because of Hurts. The defense knocked Purdy on his *** and it was night night after that.

 

[Whyjerry]

Dan O is one of the most annoying ”analysts” in sports. Can’t stand the guy.

 

[basel90]

Yeah because a week prior the run really helped Dak out.

Dak played very well against the bucs . But remember the bucs lost to the hapless falcons and the browns and many other weak teams last season . Their defense is terrible and the cowboys passed and ran well. .

 

[CowboyoWales]

Eagles? Hurts had 127 yards against San Fran. Even less than Dak did lol.

The big difference is that the Eagles had the lead....if Dak gets a lead and a reasonable running game he should be ok. The issue's arise, especially against the 49'ers, when they establish a lead as they just don't respect Dak's ability to beat them in the air. Add in the inability of the Defense to stop the run and we have the perfect storm.

Schottenheimer saying about making opponents defend the whole field (along with drafting one, if not the best run blocking option in the draft and a TE that run's short slants) are indications we are planning for that one particular opponent.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Dak was working with a lot more offensive talent than Herbert.

What??? so Lamb , Schultz and who? When the Chargers played SF did they have more than 2 viable weapons on the field?

 

[erod]

What??? so Lamb , Schultz and who? When the Chargers played SF did they have more than 2 viable weapons on the field?

Have you watched that disaster of an offensive line that is trying to get Herbert killed?