OT: Wisconsin takes advantage of new rule

[WV Cowboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp5WM94UOBg

Pretty funny.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

that is pretty funny stuff right there.

 

[rysko]

holla thats my badgers lol

 

[the kid 05]

haha, i never seen anything that funny happen in football. that was planned?

 

[joseephuss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp5WM94UOBg

Pretty funny.

It was great and needed. The new clock rules suck in the NCAA. It appears the rule changes were thrown together without any kind of planning or thought.

 

[Reality]

The Wisconsin coach is an idiot for using it in the first half. If he was the only one to notice the loophole, he should have saved it for the fourth quarter in a game when the game was on the line.

Now, all coaches will be aware of it and know that like it or not, they will just refuse the penalty on the first attempt if time on the clock is more important to them than field position.

-Reality

 

[NinePointOh]

It really doesn't have much at all to do with the rule change.

Teams could always intentionally run offsides on a kickoff, at pretty much any level of football. The only difference the rule change makes is that the clock ticks throughout the hangtime of the kick, resulting in an extra 4 seconds or so coming off the clock.

Wisconsin didn't exploit a loophole that made the strategy possible -- they exploited a loophole that made the strategy slightly more effective.

 

[joseephuss]

The Wisconsin coach is an idiot for using it in the first half. If he was the only one to notice the loophole, he should have saved it for the fourth quarter in a game when the game was on the line.

Now, all coaches will be aware of it and know that like it or not, they will just refuse the penalty on the first attempt if time on the clock is more important to them than field position.

-Reality

With the kicking team getting a 10 yard head start of the actual kick, it will be pretty bad field position even if Vanderjagt were kicking the ball.

 

[joseephuss]

It really doesn't have much at all to do with the rule change.

Teams could always intentionally run offsides on a kickoff, at pretty much any level of football. The only difference the rule change makes is that the clock ticks throughout the hangtime of the kick, resulting in an extra 4 seconds or so coming off the clock.

Wisconsin didn't exploit a loophole that made the strategy possible -- they exploited a loophole that made the strategy slightly more effective.

Under the old rules, a very smart return man would not even touch the ball if he saw the entire kickoff team get a 10 yard head start on the kick. Most guys would not be that smart, but after seeing it once or twice they may catch on. Under those old rules, the clock would never start and the kick off team would not get any benefits. Now, that can't happen. The clock does start and a return man that lets it bounce around just lets more time burn off the clock.

 

[Reality]

With the kicking team getting a 10 yard head start of the actual kick, it will be pretty bad field position even if Vanderjagt were kicking the ball.

Time on clock is more important than field position. Would you rather have the ball at your 5 yard line with 60 seconds to go or at your 30 yard line with 5 seconds to go?

That's why I said that now that coaches are aware of the tactic, they may choose to take bad field position with more time left on the clock than waste time off the clock hoping to get a few more yards.

-Reality

 

[NinePointOh]

Under the old rules, a very smart return man would not even touch the ball if he saw the entire kickoff team get a 10 yard head start on the kick. Most guys would not be that smart, but after seeing it once or twice they may catch on. Under those old rules, the clock would never start and the kick off team would not get any benefits. Now, that can't happen. The clock does start and a return man that lets it bounce around just lets more time burn off the clock.

The returner can still avoid the kick. The kickoffs in the video would have gone almost immediately out of the back of the end zone, and only 4 or 5 seconds would have ticked off the clock.

As I said before, Wisconsin didn't exploit a loophole that made the strategy possible; they exploited a loophole that made the strategy slightly more effective, to the tune of about 4 or 5 seconds per kick.

All Penn State had to do was decline the penalty, and they'd have taken possession. They made the decision that a measley 5 yard penalty made it worth a re-kick and letting even more time tick off the clock. Tough cookies.

 

[joseephuss]

Time on clock is more important than field position. Would you rather have the ball at your 5 yard line with 60 seconds to go or at your 30 yard line with 5 seconds to go?

That's why I said that now that coaches are aware of the tactic, they may choose to take bad field position with more time left on the clock than waste time off the clock hoping to get a few more yards.

-Reality

It is not that general. Easily 60 seconds is better than 5 seconds. In this case there was only 23 seconds on the clock during the first kick and less than that once Penn State even received the ball. Paterno probably figured his best shot was to make them kick off again and hope for a big return. There is a better chance to do something with a return than trying to move the ball from the 10 with just 14 seconds on the clock. A case by case situation..

 

[cowboys#1]

can someone tell me what happend in the video, i cant access youtube here at work. thanks

 

[NinePointOh]

can someone tell me what happend in the video, i cant access youtube here at work. thanks

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-11-06-clock-loophole_x.htm?csp=34

 

[jackrussell]

The first time someone runs that 2nd or 3rd kick back for a TD, we'll see who the genius is then.

 

[joseephuss]

The first time someone runs that 2nd or 3rd kick back for a TD, we'll see who the genius is then.

The thing I would love to see is the kicker slip and just dribble the ball while the whole coverage team is already 20 yards down field. Then a big fat front line guy can scoop up the ball and waddle for a TD.

It will get fixed in the off season. Probably a dumb fix, too. They won't actually address the fact that very few people like the clock changes. It will probably be something like , if you have more than one player off sides on the kick off, you get a 15 yard unsportsman like penalty.

 

[AdamJT13]

The first time someone runs that 2nd or 3rd kick back for a TD, we'll see who the genius is then.

That's the point of having several guys offside by 15 yards -- they get downfield quick enough to stop the return for a short gain (hopefully).

I'm waiting for someone to go offside by 50 yards and catch the kickoff, or at least interfere with the guy trying to catch it. The penalty would negate it, of course, but it certainly would prevent a big return.

The way to plug this loophole is to stop the kick when someone is flagrantly offside, like they do when a defender is running "unabated" into the backfield.

 

[NinePointOh]

The first time someone runs that 2nd or 3rd kick back for a TD, we'll see who the genius is then.

I guess. But returns for TDs are rare enough as it is. Give the kicking team a 20-yard head start and the prior knowledge that it's a "trick play", and the chances are even slimmer.

 

[bbgun]

Couldn't be prouder of my alma mater. Pure genius.

 

[RedLine]

Brilliant, I smell a rule change coming!