OT: Wisconsin takes advantage of new rule

[bbgun]

The first time someone runs that 2nd or 3rd kick back for a TD, we'll see who the genius is then.

That wasn't the point. Wisconsin didn't want Penn State to generate anything on offense. They preferred to take their chances with one Penn State kick return--after bleeding the clock.

 

[SacredStar]

That wasn't the point. Wisconsin didn't want Penn State to generate anything on offense. They preferred to take their chances with one Penn State kick return--after bleeding the clock.

Exactly.

I was at the game, and loved watching Joe Pa get pissed. Classic!!

And the Badgers knew exactly what they were doing. Keeping points off the board just before halftime, and keeping momemtem in Wisconsin's favor in a tight game.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Someone else did it this weekend, mayhave been in the A&M-OU game, or the Baylor TT game. The announcers didn't pick up on it at first, but was a smart play.

My question is can the receving team decline the penalty?

 

[BrassCowboy]

The returner can still avoid the kick. The kickoffs in the video would have gone almost immediately out of the back of the end zone, and only 4 or 5 seconds would have ticked off the clock.

As I said before, Wisconsin didn't exploit a loophole that made the strategy possible; they exploited a loophole that made the strategy slightly more effective, to the tune of about 4 or 5 seconds per kick.

All Penn State had to do was decline the penalty, and they'd have taken possession. They made the decision that a measley 5 yard penalty made it worth a re-kick and letting even more time tick off the clock. Tough cookies.

that needs fixed then is what you are saying....

saying it is ok for the kickoff team to get a head start is like letting a defensive line lineup behind the olinemen before the ball is hiked.

No, that is not tough cookies... it is more like a major error in the rules and wisconsin found it and exploited it.

 

[jackrussell]

I guess. But returns for TDs are rare enough as it is. Give the kicking team a 20-yard head start and the prior knowledge that it's a "trick play", and the chances are even slimmer.

Stranger things have happened.

 

[jackrussell]

That wasn't the point. Wisconsin didn't want Penn State to generate anything on offense. They preferred to take their chances with one Penn State kick return--after bleeding the clock.

I know what they were doing.

What do you mean one Penn St kick return? They could have returned any of the 3.

 

[peplaw06]

I have a couple of questions regarding the clock run off in college and the NFL...

1) Can't the return team just call fair catch?? I think that would stop the clock as soon as he signals it. It would give them bad field position, wherever he caught it, but it would take forever to run the clock out, and you could keep backing them up. At the least you'd stop the returner from needlessly getting tackled every play.

2) In the NFL, I'm thinking about the run off when there's a procedure penalty. I'll set up the scenario Dallas has the ball late in the game against Arizona. It's close and AZ has all 3 timeouts, meaning they can stop the clock every play, if they can prevent Dallas from getting a first down. And Dallas would have to punt if they don't get the first down, running maybe 10 seconds off with 3 straight runs to waste their timeouts.

So my question is, can Dallas intentionally commit false starts or procedure penalties and run 10 seconds off the clock each time, essentially running the clock out, even though AZ has timeouts? I think that rule begins when the clock is under two minutes. You could conceivably take 12 penalties in a row, never run a play, but run the entire 2:00 off, if they allow that.

These artificial clock rules really bug me, and I think coaches can be "bush league" and take advantage of the quirks.

 

[bbgun]

I know what they were doing.

What do you mean one Penn St kick return? They could have returned any of the 3.

Not when the chase team has a ten-yard head start.

 

[Da Hammer]

:laugh2: Very nice, hopefully that gets the NCAA to change their crap rules about the clock running in change of possesion. It was a horrible new rule to begin with

 

[AdamJT13]

So my question is, can Dallas intentionally commit false starts or procedure penalties and run 10 seconds off the clock each time, essentially running the clock out, even though AZ has timeouts? I think that rule begins when the clock is under two minutes. You could conceivably take 12 penalties in a row, never run a play, but run the entire 2:00 off, if they allow that.

In the NFL, the defense has the option of declining the 10-second runoff.

 

[jackrussell]

Not when the chase team has a ten-yard head start.

On the first kick, half of the chase team had a 10 yard head start, the other half had a 5 yard head start. Penn St. returned the kick 10 yards.

The second kick, more than half the chase team had a ten yard head start, and the Penn St return man fumbled the ball, and still returned the ball 15-17 yards.

To say that a return for a TD is an impossibility in these situations would be ignorant.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Most people are missing the "correct" way to defend this situation. Penn State's front wall fell back into their return assignments. The correct thing for one of them to do would have been to make contact with one of the Wisconsin defenders before the ball was kicked.

The play would have been blown dead and it's a free 5 yards.