Other Than TO, This Is A Likable Team

[2233boys]

Quite simply disagree. The author of "this" article is no doubt working on another article at this very moment that he will post just before Michael Irvin is inducted into the Hall Of Fame, explaining why the guy is so undeserving of the honor due to his big mouth, me first attitude and his criminal off field behavior.

If that is the author's stance on the greatest WR ever in Cowboys History, the guy is a bigger moron then I previously thought.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

I am just too old to be repeating myself over and over, and my typing is laborious to boot; so here it is, a regurgitation of my response on another board. Sue me.



Quite simply disagree. The author of "this" article is no doubt working on another article at this very moment that he will post just before Michael Irvin is inducted into the Hall Of Fame, explaining why the guy is so undeserving of the honor due to his big mouth, me first attitude and his criminal off field behavior.

Compared to Irvin- Terrel Owens is as squeaky clean, law abiding citizen as you could ever ask for. Show me ONE time the man has violated the law? He hasn't, but I suppose that is lost in the translation some how??

That big mouth of Terrell's? Seems to me that we could use a few big mouths on the defensive side of the ball too. It is called confidence, arrogance or simply in your face. You pick the adjective, we need some of it- whatever the name.

In the locker room? Is he a cancer?? If Charles Haley was a cancer then so is Owens. Fact is that they each came to Dallas from a bitter rival and each had endured questionable treatment from their former teams... each came with a chip on their shoulder... but the chip was reserved for others and NOT for their team mates.

What EXACTLY must we in society tolerate for the sake of a great athlete, that physical prowess? Must we suffer spousal abuse? Womanizing? Drugs? Alcohol? Gunfire in the night? Felony assault on the playing field? Dog fighting?? All of these are true enough and none of them have ever been mentioned in the same breath as Terrell Owens.

How about a guy who wants a new contract? Does that make him evil? Like Briggs? Like Emmit Smith perhaps? Terrell didn't hold out for a new contract. Instead he went out and was posting a career year by way of demonstrating his displeasure. The EAGLES and Donnie McNabb's insecurities were the ones who turned it into a fiasco.

I became a fan of Owens despite myself (yes, it was the star thing that stuck in my craw) when the man came back from a supposedly season ending injury to return and play his heart out for his team in the Super Bowl. Had the Eagles won the game, he was a shoo in for MVP that day, and any football fan worth his salt will recognize it and admit it.

I am doubly happy to have Owens as a Cowboy. A man with his honesty (honest to a fault if you ask me) and that kind of toughness, that kind of love for the game, that kind of spirit... well, every team could use one, or two if they are lucky. What was it that Tony Romo said of Terrell Owens in the weeks following the Seattle loss? 'Nobody was more supportive of me, a better friend to me after that happened, than Terrell Owens.'

I suppose there are those here who believe that Owens is some sort of a monster, to them I say; learn a little more for yourself and listen a little less to what others would have you believe. And please, don't take my word for it- do a little research for yourself. Once you do that much, once you learn a little more about the man, then Terrell Owens will have won another fan.

Deservedly so, I might add.

 

[big dog cowboy]

There were guys on the 90's super bowl teams I didn't like all that much. But winning super bowls trumps that every day.

 

[DallasEast]

I completely agree with the article. I would rather lose without Owens than win with him, but I guess that's just me.

Thumper. Don't give in to hate. THAT leads to the Dark Side.

Our time with the Sith Lord is finite. Remember, the Force... err... Cowboys will be with you. Always.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

It's funny, pertaining to what the author of this thread said, I see Terry Glenn as that guy, not TO.

Self-absorbed
Vindictive
Whiny
A Drunk
Condescending
Lived totally off of favoritism

As someone else said, yea, TO is "honest to a fault", and he is, and it hurts him at times more often than not. BUT my god, atleast you don't have the condescension and vindictiveness in his words like you do with Glenn in everyother thing he publically says. Or at the end of the day, the alcholism. TO's never disrespected American Soldiers directly to their faces either. And for that last part, it simply makes, #83, Terry Glenn, a total disgrace and mockery wearing the star for AMERICA'S TEAM. Why don't we just recruit Mini-Laden next year to take his place. TO is NOT the Villian on this team, his counterpart is.

I swear though, we're not much different in our views- to both of us, one player on this team absolutely MAKES US SICK. Terry Glenn has and always will be that "player" for me. I pray for the day I hear the news that he's been cut free. He literally gives me "mixed-feelings" for my greatest passion (the cowbooys) and I want to punch him in the face for that. So yea, I get how a lot of you feel about TO and don't blame you- once in a great while a player you hate with all your guts comes around and for that time you just don't know what to do about it but sit 'n endure to the best of your ability. For me, the Terry Glenn Years, are the blackest- our "Dark Ages" if you will.

Bottom line though, if he could help us win, I'd deal. Trophies have always been what it's all about, IE. Winning. I just don't really see how giving him the ball over TO could ever possibly do that. He's not a TO. He's not a Dieon Sanders. Not a Charles Haley. Heck, he's not even a Duane Thomas. He's just a cancer that likes to whine about things that just really don't matter to winning. For instance, he's more worried about whose considered #1 WR over going out and proving it with his play.

PS. All of you military people out there, or people that know others who have fought and possibly died for this countries freedom in the process.. Terry Glenn thinks you all are stupid. Fact. He'll even say it to your face in a quite smug manor. Throw him the ball more, eh?

 

[THUMPER]

I'd rather win without him.

Me too and I believe we would.

 

[THUMPER]

Then you are an idiot.

Just the response I would expect from someone of your ilk.

Some people were looking at him as our "savior" who was going to lead us back the SB. yeah, well that didn't happen as Mr. "I have a boo boo on my finger and can't hang onto the ball" led the league YET AGAIN in dropped passes. I have never heard from any of his "fans" what his excuse was all those other seasons when he led the league in dropped passes. Evidently, they don't care because he wasn't a Cowboy then.

Owens has yet to EVER lead a team anywhere. The one team he was on that actually went to the SB did it while he was out!

Terrell Owens was brought to Dallas to make big plays, to turn short passes into long TDs. Unfortunately, he only took one (yes ONE) short pass and broke it into a long TD last season. Keyshawn did better than that when he was here and that wasn't what he was supposed to be good at. Most of the short passes Owens caught he was stopped immediately. I thought he was supposed to be good at breaking tackles.

I don't like Terrell Owens because he is an individual playing a TEAM sport, period. I don't another reason than that. I don't like his brashness, his arrogance, his whining when he doesn't get every pass thrown his way, his constant self-aggrandizing and drawing attention to himself rather than to the team. He would fit much better in boxing or the UFC or better yet the WWE.

Owens represents everything I dislike about athletes today. His only redeeming quality is that he isn't a criminal. Wow, that's great, good for him.

So if anyone has a problem with my not liking Owens or wanting him on my team, that's just tough, get over it because nothing anyone says is ever going to change my opinion of him.

Damn kids. :bang2:

 

[DallasEast]

Just the response I would expect from someone of your ilk.

Some people were looking at him as our "savior" who was going to lead us back the SB. yeah, well that didn't happen as Mr. "I have a boo boo on my finger and can't hang onto the ball" led the league YET AGAIN in dropped passes. I have never heard from any of his "fans" what his excuse was all those other seasons when he led the league in dropped passes. Evidently, they don't care because he wasn't a Cowboy then.

Owens has yet to EVER lead a team anywhere. The one team he was on that actually went to the SB did it while he was out!

Terrell Owens was brought to Dallas to make big plays, to turn short passes into long TDs. Unfortunately, he only took one (yes ONE) short pass and broke it into a long TD last season. Keyshawn did better than that when he was here and that wasn't what he was supposed to be good at. Most of the short passes Owens caught he was stopped immediately. I thought he was supposed to be good at breaking tackles.

I don't like Terrell Owens because he is an individual playing a TEAM sport, period. I don't another reason than that. I don't like his brashness, his arrogance, his whining when he doesn't get every pass thrown his way, his constant self-aggrandizing and drawing attention to himself rather than to the team. He would fit much better in boxing or the UFC or better yet the WWE.

Owens represents everything I dislike about athletes today. His only redeeming quality is that he isn't a criminal. Wow, that's great, good for him.

So if anyone has a problem with my not liking Owens or wanting him on my team, that's just tough, get over it because nothing anyone says is ever going to change my opinion of him.

Damn kids. :bang2:

:signmast: :bravo:

 

[SultanOfSix]

Well, you may not like the fact that he's on the team, but to state that you would rather have the team lose without him than win with him, is pretty stupid because it questions the validity of your fanship.

You're willing to trade the success of the team for failure due to a single player on it, and that is idiotic.

 

[jackrussell]

Just the response I would expect from someone of your ilk.

Some people were looking at him as our "savior" who was going to lead us back the SB. yeah, well that didn't happen as Mr. "I have a boo boo on my finger and can't hang onto the ball" led the league YET AGAIN in dropped passes. I have never heard from any of his "fans" what his excuse was all those other seasons when he led the league in dropped passes. Evidently, they don't care because he wasn't a Cowboy then.

Owens has yet to EVER lead a team anywhere. The one team he was on that actually went to the SB did it while he was out!

Terrell Owens was brought to Dallas to make big plays, to turn short passes into long TDs. Unfortunately, he only took one (yes ONE) short pass and broke it into a long TD last season. Keyshawn did better than that when he was here and that wasn't what he was supposed to be good at. Most of the short passes Owens caught he was stopped immediately. I thought he was supposed to be good at breaking tackles.

I don't like Terrell Owens because he is an individual playing a TEAM sport, period. I don't another reason than that. I don't like his brashness, his arrogance, his whining when he doesn't get every pass thrown his way, his constant self-aggrandizing and drawing attention to himself rather than to the team. He would fit much better in boxing or the UFC or better yet the WWE.

Owens represents everything I dislike about athletes today. His only redeeming quality is that he isn't a criminal. Wow, that's great, good for him.

So if anyone has a problem with my not liking Owens or wanting him on my team, that's just tough, get over it because nothing anyone says is ever going to change my opinion of him.

Damn kids. :bang2:

Can I make that my sig?

 

[superpunk]

Just the response I would expect from someone of your ilk.

Some people were looking at him as our "savior" who was going to lead us back the SB. yeah, well that didn't happen as Mr. "I have a boo boo on my finger and can't hang onto the ball" led the league YET AGAIN in dropped passes. I have never heard from any of his "fans" what his excuse was all those other seasons when he led the league in dropped passes. Evidently, they don't care because he wasn't a Cowboy then.

Owens has yet to EVER lead a team anywhere. The one team he was on that actually went to the SB did it while he was out!

Terrell Owens was brought to Dallas to make big plays, to turn short passes into long TDs. Unfortunately, he only took one (yes ONE) short pass and broke it into a long TD last season. Keyshawn did better than that when he was here and that wasn't what he was supposed to be good at. Most of the short passes Owens caught he was stopped immediately. I thought he was supposed to be good at breaking tackles.

I don't like Terrell Owens because he is an individual playing a TEAM sport, period. I don't another reason than that. I don't like his brashness, his arrogance, his whining when he doesn't get every pass thrown his way, his constant self-aggrandizing and drawing attention to himself rather than to the team. He would fit much better in boxing or the UFC or better yet the WWE.

Owens represents everything I dislike about athletes today. His only redeeming quality is that he isn't a criminal. Wow, that's great, good for him.

So if anyone has a problem with my not liking Owens or wanting him on my team, that's just tough, get over it because nothing anyone says is ever going to change my opinion of him.

Damn kids. :bang2:

It's not about liking him, and it's not about kids, and it's not about your high-personal standards for football players being violated. (Oh no! )

It's about being a Cowboys fan. Winning's the only thing - and no nonsense about losing so long as you stick to your principles changes that. That stance just lets everyone know that Terrell Owens controls you more than he does the rest of us.

 

[nathanlt]

I completely agree with the article. I would rather lose without Owens than win with him, but I guess that's just me.

No, it's not just you. If Owens turns around, and actually starts maturing as a person, I could tolerate him, and maybe even like him. But until then, the thought of Owens holding a Lombardi trophy in a Cowboys uniform is something that makes me a little sick to my stomach.

 

[nathanlt]

It's not about liking him, and it's not about kids, and it's not about your high-personal standards for football players being violated. (Oh no! )

It's about being a Cowboys fan. Winning's the only thing - and no nonsense about losing so long as you stick to your principles changes that. That stance just lets everyone know that Terrell Owens controls you more than he does the rest of us.

Winning is not the only thing. Cheats and liars win. Jerks win. Despicable people win in the short term. Character is more important than winning.

 

[THUMPER]

Winning is not the only thing. Cheats and liars win. Jerks win. Despicable people win in the short term. Character is more important than winning.

Thank you for saying it so well. Can I use that for my sig?

It's not that I ever want my team to win but I want to win with people I can admire and like.

I don't hate the Commanders simply because they are a bitter rival but because of people like George Preston Marshall and George Allen. I hate the Eagles because of their fans and the dirty players they have had over the years (Wes Hopkins comes to mind as does Bill Bergy). The Giants are a rival yet I have never thought of them in the same way as the Commanders of Eagles.

I like who I like and root for the players and teams I like. I also have the right to dislike anyone I choose. I fell in love with the Cowboys because of Bob Lilly and Tom Landry and have stayed a fan for nearly 45 years because of guys like Mel Renfro, Bob Hayes, Staubach, Randy White, Aikman & Emmitt.

I disliked Duane Thomas, Hollywood Henderson, Michael Irvin, and Deion Sanders and would have been quite happy had none of them ever put on a Cowboys uniform.

The thing most people don't get is that teams with good character players win! We won a lot of games under Landry with mostly high character guys but I loved the team even in the early 60s before we started winning.

Guys with good character aren't suspended for doing stupid things, they play hard all the time even when the play isn't called for them, they do whatever it takes to make their TEAM better. Look at what Rivera is doing now with the young OLs even though he is likely to be out. That's character and we will win because of guys like that, not because of selfish, me-first players like Owens regardless of how talented they are.

 

[ethiostar]

Thank you for saying it so well. Can I use that for my sig?

It's not that I ever want my team to win but I want to win with people I can admire and like.

I don't hate the Commanders simply because they are a bitter rival but because of people like George Preston Marshall and George Allen. I hate the Eagles because of their fans and the dirty players they have had over the years (Wes Hopkins comes to mind as does Bill Bergy). The Giants are a rival yet I have never thought of them in the same way as the Commanders of Eagles.

I like who I like and root for the players and teams I like. I also have the right to dislike anyone I choose. I fell in love with the Cowboys because of Bob Lilly and Tom Landry and have stayed a fan for nearly 45 years because of guys like Mel Renfro, Bob Hayes, Staubach, Randy White, Aikman & Emmitt.

I disliked Duane Thomas, Hollywood Henderson, Michael Irvin, and Deion Sanders and would have been quite happy had none of them ever put on a Cowboys uniform.

The thing most people don't get is that teams with good character players win! We won a lot of games under Landry with mostly high character guys but I loved the team even in the early 60s before we started winning.

Guys with good character aren't suspended for doing stupid things, they play hard all the time even when the play isn't called for them, they do whatever it takes to make their TEAM better. Look at what Rivera is doing now with the young OLs even though he is likely to be out. That's character and we will win because of guys like that, not because of selfish, me-first players like Owens regardless of how talented they are.

Can someone who is more knowledgeable about the history of the NFL recall a championship team that didn't have at least ONE player with questionable character? Or for that matter, it doesn't have to be a championship team, any team will do.

The question should be, is it realistic to expect all 53 guys to be squicky clean? or it doesn't matter if there is a player with character issue as long as he is not a big part of the team?

 

[Dallas]

I completely agree with the article. I would rather lose without Owens than win with him, but I guess that's just me.

Agreed Thump. Im pretty sure it's more than just you feeling this way about Owens. Many felt this way about Deion. I certainly did when he was with the club. Fact of the matter - he helped us w/ a SB. So that trumps my dislike for him.


Thank you Deion for your part in that SB victory. There I said it.

I like Owens on this team. I think he produces. He has not been a dividing point with Dallas.....yet.

I am crossing my fingers that he will be happy this year and next.

 

[Maxmadden]

I can certainly understand the hatred for TO, I personaly think he is a POS. But there are 52 other guys on the team bustin there *** to win a Superbowl.

If it is truly a team sport then you have to root for the team regardless, and not let 1 bad apple spoil the bunch. We'll just throw it away later and act like it was never there.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

By Cowboys ÜberFan
http://mvn.com/nfl-cowboys/2007/06/01/other-than-to-this-is-a-likable-team/print/

With the majority of the media focusing on “The Player”, it’s easy to overlook how likable this team is. Our stars are all pretty humble, and our young stars seem to have their priorities straight.

Our young nucleus is made up of Jason Witten, Marion Barber, Julius Jones, Tony Romo, Patrick Crayton, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, Marco Colombo, Marcus Spears, Chris Canty, Jason Hatcher, DeMarcus Ware, Bobby Carpenter, Bradie James, Anthony Spencer, Terence Newman and Roy Williams. Not a bad apple in there, and most of those guys would rather play than talk. If anything, we could use a yapper just to keep it exciting.

That’s what makes TO such a contrast. In some strange way, I don’t want TO to raise the Lombardi Trophy in triumph, regardless of the team. He’s such a shining example of what we as a society will tolerate in exchange for physical prowess.

I can see why some fans are completely turned off by big money sports and would prefer to watch high school or college football. I’m not one of them, watching the best of the best outweighs any conflicting feelings I have about the personalities involved.

That’s what makes this team a bit difficult. On one hand you have stars like DeMarcus Ware and Terence Newman, who work hard, stay out of trouble, and from all the anecdotes I hear, are generally nice guys. On the other hand you might have the most self-promoting, selfish player in all of sports. So the sooner we can replace TO’s production the happier I’ll be.
What do you guys think?
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Before reading any other posts in this thread. I agree with this %110. TO is a nightmare waiting to happen.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

It's not about liking him, and it's not about kids, and it's not about your high-personal standards for football players being violated. (Oh no! )

It's about being a Cowboys fan. Winning's the only thing - and no nonsense about losing so long as you stick to your principles changes that. That stance just lets everyone know that Terrell Owens controls you more than he does the rest of us.

As one of the most dedicated Cowboys fan you'll ever know, I can only vouch for myself when I say that winning is not the only thing. Especially when I'm subjected to a player like T.O..

 

[Bob Sacamano]

they're the Cowboys, that's enough for me