our 4th qtr defense this season

[dbair1967]

pretty damning numbers, and keep in mind that ALOT of the 4th qtr numbers you see are actually generated towards the end of these games, not nec the entire 4th qtr

The Cowboys have allowed 36.7 percent of their total yards allowed, 31.4 percent of their first downs and 29.8 percent of their points in the fourth quarters of their seven games this season.

If you take the numbers from the Commanders, Raiders, Giants and Seahawks games from just the 4th qtr (the equiv of 1 game) we've given up 587 yds, 27 first downs and 37 pts...I dont have the numbers for the QB rating, but its probably well over 100 in the 4th qtr for those 4 games

3 quarters SAN DIEGO 4th quarter
226 Yards 65
16 First downs 3
24 Points 0

3 quarters WASHINGTON 4th quarter
146 Yards 200
7 First downs 7
0 Points 14

3 quarters SAN FRANCISCO 4th quarter
316 Yards 72
16 First downs 3
31 Points 0

3 quarters OAKLAND 4th quarter
244 Yards 89
11 First downs 5
13 Points 6

3 quarters PHILADELPHIA 4th quarter
102 Yards 27
6 First downs 0
10 Points 0

3 quarters NY GIANTS 4th quarter
92 Yards 178
4 First downs 7
6 Points 7

3 quarters SEATTLE 4th quarter
169 Yards 120
12 First downs 8
3 Points 10

 

[TheGoat73]

i thought this rotation was supposed to make us better in the 4th?

 

[followthestar]

Parcells said "you can't call them losers anymore" but really the damage done by years and years of mediocrity has taken its toll. until we develop the team psyche to believe in our hearts that WE WILL WIN the game, then we will lose our share of these close games.
the coaching staff has to realize this, and show confidence in our players that they can get the job done. i KNOW they can - the players THINK they can - and the coaches HOPE they can. when the players and coaches BELIEVE they can, then we WILL start winning these games and be a winner again. until then...

 

[dmq]

If someone would have a good explanation of why we are collapsing and how we can fix it, I would feel much better.

 

[dbair1967]

If someone would have a good explanation of why we are collapsing and how we can fix it, I would feel much better.

it really is strange, because as another poster mentioned we are rotating guys almost every series...they should be extremely fresh up front...not every team rotates 6-7-8 guys up there like we do

then factor in how strong we are for 3+ qtrs and it really makes little sense

but collapsing in the 4th qtr isnt anything new either...its happened alot over the past 5-6 yrs where we were either leading or tied and then just fall apart in the end

David

 

[cnhnyy]

Well, if you look carefully, Commanders/Giants/Seahawks are the ones making biggest yardages against us in the fourth quarter,or in final 5 minutes, and guess what.. we were leading comfortably (at least one TD) until 5 minutes left in all these three games. We all know what happened afterwards... preventive defense... it never prevents anything.

 

[Cassow]

I dont think you can blame the defense. The last 3 games were against 3 of the best offenses in the NFL, and you cant expect the defense to completely shut them down. The play calling when we get up has become pathetic. We seem completely contempt with running the ball 3 times, punting, and taking 2min off the clock. That philosophy might work against a poor offense, but against teams like philly, NY, wash, and Seattle it wont. We had the ball twice inside the 15 late in the game and only came away with 3 points, which is terrible. After Roys INT we ran on first down for no yards and ran again on second down from inside the 15, and then on 3rd down we run out of bounds and leave an extra 45 seconds on the clock. Great teams know how to finish off opponents. This is the type of play calling that allowed Peyton to lose his job calling plays in NY. He calls games like hes trying not to lose. When Jim Fossil took over calling the plays from Peyton he brought an attitude that they werent going to lose and they were going to finish people off....and that attitude took them to the Superbowl. You cant blame the Defense....they have consistently put us in positions to win games, and did so against great offenses. And I dont think the offense is to blame either, when you call runs on 3rd and long and play to milk the clock youre not going to score points. How about we go WIN some games....instead of not lose them.

 

[Champsheart]

Well, if you look carefully, Commanders/Giants/Seahawks are the ones making biggest yardages against us in the fourth quarter,or in final 5 minutes, and guess what.. we were leading comfortably (at least one TD) until 5 minutes left in all these three games. We all know what happened afterwards... preventive defense... it never prevents anything.

I do not think this is accurate, I have not been seeing prevent defenses in these situations. Maybe I am wrong, and if I am please feel free to correct me, but if we are in a prevent defense giving up these huge plays, something is seriously wrong.

 

[Doomsday101]

I do not think this is accurate, I have not been seeing prevent defenses in these situations. Maybe I am wrong, and if I am please feel free to correct me, but if we are in a prevent defense giving up these huge plays, something is seriously wrong.

I agree and Dallas has not been running prevent defense.

 

[Zman5]

I'm curious to know how your stat correlates with how well/bad our offense plays in 4th quarter. Especially our running game and our 1st down stats.

Basically I would like to know if our defense plays bad in 4th quarter when our offense is playing well in 4th quarter.

 

[dbair1967]

I dont think you can blame the defense. The last 3 games were against 3 of the best offenses in the NFL, and you cant expect the defense to completely shut them down. . Great teams know how to finish off opponents. This is the type of play calling that allowed Peyton to lose his job calling plays in NY. He calls games like hes trying not to lose. You cant blame the Defense....they have consistently put us in positions to win games, games....instead of not lose them.

but the enrd result is all that matters...sure if you look at a cumulative stat game we do fine, but we are not doing fine when the game matters most...you yourself say great teams finish off opponents, that doesnt just apply to offensive football

the fact that cant be spun no matter how hard some of you will try is that in games vs the Commanders, Giants and Seahawks the defense had a lead and let it slip away while THEY were on the field. They werent put into bad positons either because of bad offense (turnovers) or special teams...the above teams all had drives of 50+ yds against our defense for tds (4 such drives as a matter of fact)...thats lousy defense no matter how you want to spin it

and your last statement isnt totally true either...the offense got the leads in those games...whether the lead is 3-0, 10-3 or 31-30 doesnt matter...the defense had a chance to finish off a game and didnt do it in any of those 3 cases, and we lost two of those games

David

 

[cnhnyy]

I agree and Dallas has not been running prevent defense.

Hmm...how come every average/decent QB seems to be able to generate a TD drive against us in the final mitues while doing nothing in the first three quarters? We played preventive defense not to give up big yardages in the final minutes. You know, only rushed 3/4 and everyone else dropped back. Well, if you give any QB six or more seconds to scan the field and he is going to find someone open.

Am I the only one who had felt that seahawks/Gints were going to score in the last drive.

We did not learn anything from Commanders game apprently and, hopefully, seahwaks game is a wakeup call to the coach staff.

 

[Doomsday101]

Hmm...how come every average/decent QB seems to be able to generate a TD drive against us in the final mitues while doing nothing in the first three quarters? We played preventive defense not to give up big yardages in the final minutes. You know, only rush 3/4 and everyone else drops back. Well, if you give any QB six or more seconds to scan the field and he is going to find someone open.

Am I the only one who had thought that seahawks/Gints were going to score in the last drive.

We did not learn anything from Commanders game apprently and, hopefully, seahwaks game is a really wakeup call to the coach staff.

Sorry guy we did not run the prevent hell RW was blitzing on a few of those plays even Bill talked about it after the game when asked about the 4th qrt come back. Fact is we got a pass interference call that cost us 20 something yards and you had Hassleback throw a jump ball to his TE which was another play that got 22 yards with man coverage coming from Henry. That is not considered Prevent Defense!!! Coaches did not blow this game player either make plays or they don't and the fact is plays where there for the taking and the players just did not make them.

 

[dbair1967]

Coaches did not blow this game player either make plays or they don't and the fact is plays where there for the taking and the players just did not make them.

But when it happens so often no matter who the players are, you have to wonder

David

 

[Doomsday101]

But when it happens so often no matter who the players are, you have to wonder

David

Fans wonder any time you lose and they all have the magic cure. LOL. Personally I'm very happy with the play of this defense and I think they will only get better but this is the NFL and when a team hangs around then they give themselves a chance to come back. Dallas has done the same to others.

 

[dmq]

I think we still are not good against the medium range pass. It shows up more in the 4th because when a team is down, they abandon the run. THis could be due to a few things. Maybe we miss Dat a little, maybe Roy will never be good in coverage, it could be the inexperience of Fujita, Burnett, Ware and James. The non-existent play of Singleton. The lack of strength on the line of our rookies when we rush three. Probably all has a little to do w/ it. We just stop attacking. THe attacking has been what has made this defense very good. Lack of attacking pretty much is the prevent defense IMO.

 

[StevenOtero]

Our 4th Quarter Defense

SUCKS!


:bang2:​

 

[Doomsday101]

Our 4th Quarter Defense

SUCKS!


:bang2:​

We picked off a pass in the last 4 min of the game setting us up with great field position and yet our 4th Qrt defense sucks? Dallas let Sea hang around and when you do that Pro teams can make a come back. Last year Sea failed to put us away and look what we did.

 

[StevenOtero]

We picked off a pass in the last 4 min of the game setting us up with great field position and yet our 4th Qrt defense sucks? Dallas let Sea hang around and when you do that Pro teams can make a come back. Last year Sea failed to put us away and look what we did.

Exactly my point, we need to shut em down all the way. Like the Giants, that was just sad. Same with Seahawks. Commanders got real lucky.

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly my point, we need to shut em down all the way. Like the Giants, that was just sad. Same with Seahawks. Commanders got real lucky.

I understand Bill like to be conservative but I also watched the game and saw Dallas run a play action at the goal line. Seattle player slipped and grabbed hold of Witten who had just beaten him then the flag is thrown then picked up? Dallas ran another pass play and Bledsoe was forced to run and came up short of the 1st. I also think down by the goal line a team should be able to run the ball. If we convert on 1 or both of these situations no one is saying a thing today.