Our defense will not be good until we get some topflight DT's in here

[Proof]

All the blue chip DTs never fall to us in the draft.

yeah, guys like chris jones in the second are few and far between and picking in the 20s makes it tough. they also have clearly never valued the position, which is kind of weird considering how much they value OL

 

[J_Allen]

Remember when we treated safety just the same? It was like we knew the position was killing us but we’re on a mission to prove everyone wrong for no dang reason lol

I sure do and before that it was linebacker. We let every single linebacker leave us. Norton, Darren smith, Robert jones, Dixon Edwards, Randall Godfrey before we finally learned and paid Dexter Coakley.

It's like we are special needs. It takes us so long to learn things.

 

[Proof]

Ratliff was a 7th round pick. We simply don't know enough about football to take the defensive line seriously. We've been getting gashed in the running game for well over a decade and we don't think to fix it. It is absolutely mind boggling.

i remember being moderately encouraged when they signed mccoy and dontari poe. what an abject disaster. i’ll never get over / forgive david irving

 

[J_Allen]

i remember being moderately encouraged when they signed mccoy and dontari poe. what an abject disaster. i’ll never get over / forgive david irving

I was excited about Donterri Poe because I had been screaming for a 350 lb defensive tackle for over a decade. Turns he was a free agent for a reason. If I'm running an organization the very first thing I'm doing is making sure we can run the ball and stop the run. That's just not important to jerry.

 

[ShiningStar]

this argument is dumb, because if that doesnt work, than its "what this team needs is better CBs" bascially the OP wants steak at every position. it cant work

 

[kskboys]

this argument is dumb, because if that doesnt work, than its "what this team needs is better CBs" bascially the OP wants steak at every position. it cant work

Incorrect. You'd be well served to do a better job attempting to comprehend. It would keep you from making "dumb" counterarguments. And making erroneous statements about what the OP "wants".

In other words, you missed badly, try again!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

I sure do and before that it was linebacker. We let every single linebacker leave us. Norton, Darren smith, Robert jones, Dixon Edwards, Randall Godfrey before we finally learned and paid Dexter Coakley.

It's like we are special needs. It takes us so long to learn things.

It absolutely does.

Don't forget, Jerry had been the GM of the team since 1989 when he made the statement around 2009 or so: You don't need a good OL if you have a mobile QB.

 

[camelboy]

If HC is sage, go get Robert Saleh?

I don't think our owner is creative or brave enough to do such a thing though.

 

[J_Allen]

It absolutely does.

Don't forget, Jerry had been the GM of the team since 1989 when he made the statement around 2009 or so: You don't need a good OL if you have a mobile QB.

Yep he did say that and that took four or five years off of Romo's career because the refs certainly weren't calling roughing the passer and teams were picking Romo up and slamming him to the ground. Hitting him in the helmet. Hitting him late.

The most important position on the team is quarterback and you don't think protecting him is of high importance. I shouldn't be surprised. Just on a basic decency level, you're my employee, you're extremely important and I would be hard-pressed to replace you so I'm going to do all I can make sure that you don't get hurt. Nope. He threw him to the wolves. He said Romo could scramble so a decent online wasn't necessary.

 

[kskboys]

Yep he did say that and that took four or five years off of Romo's career because the refs certainly weren't calling roughing the passer and teams were picking Romo up and slamming him to the ground. Hitting him in the helmet. Hitting him late.

The most important position on the team is quarterback and you don't think protecting him is of high importance. I shouldn't be surprised. Just on a basic decency level, your my employee and I'm going to make sure that you don't get hurt. Nope. He threw him to the wolves.

Jerry screwed Romo badly. Romo finally had to blackmail Jerry. After the 12 season, Jerry desperately needed to rework Romo's contract to get some room. Romo agreed, but only if Jerry agreed to take an OL in the 1st. Frederick.

 

[KMY_Amber]

No matter what else we do, our D will not be good until we get some topflight DT's in here. Our DLine was repeatedly pushed back at the snap today. The ball carrier was mostly not touched until he was 2-10 yards down the field. This will absolutely not work.

Please, someone tell Jerry that run D starts w/ the DT's. If you are weak there, you will not have a good D.

You've sounded this horn for years, ksk, for as long as I can remember posting in this forum.

And you are indeed correct and always have been. It starts in the trenches of both the o-line and d-line, and then you build out from there....starting with the DTs and the MLB, and the center and OTs.

The belief that we'll ever right this ship without fixing these critical positions is just dreamin', wasted hope from season to season.

 

[J_Allen]

Jerry screwed Romo badly. Romo finally had to blackmail Jerry. After the 12 season, Jerry desperately needed to rework Romo's contract to get some room. Romo agreed, but only if Jerry agreed to take an OL in the 1st. Frederick.

I never heard that but that's an absolute travesty. And then he gets hurt after taking years and years of abuse and we let the trailer park hillbilly take his job and we don't give it back to him.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Jerry thought he had that covered. He skipped on Alim McNeil (Lions) in the '21 Draft, took Kelvin Jospeh on a reach instead. Drafted a 3 Tech O'Diggy in the 3rd rd, who can't rush the passer.

How did that work out? He never valued 1T and when he realized it, he rolled the dice on Mazi Smith and lost.

Well, and it goes back longer, doesn't it? And it applies our running backs too. Part of the reason for the success in the 90s was Russell Maryland's ability to stop the run. He completely forgot about the very formula that made us successful. Similarly, he's expecting Dak to succeed through the air without giving him even a semblance of a running game. Even Mahomes has a running game. Our history is littered with great running backs and great running games. To expect us to throw effectively and win is a knob headed idea. You can't do that in the NFL.

 

[kskboys]

You've sounded this horn for years, ksk, for as long as I can remember posting in this forum.

And you are indeed correct and always have been. It starts in the trenches of both the o-line and d-line, and then you build out from there....starting with the DTs and the MLB, and the center and OTs.

The belief that we'll ever right this ship without fixing these critical positions is just dreamin', wasted hope from season to season.

Yeah, it's not my idea, it's what the majority of intelligent NFL people think. The game is won or lost in the trenches.

Quote from Mike Golic: "The only way to beat Brady is to hit him. Even if the play is over, hit him. Hitting him disrupts timing and rhythm."

Another quote from an NFL QB: "The worst kind of pressure is up the middle pressure."

We have been letting QB's step up into a clean pocket now for decades. Remember when we even made Vince Young look good? And that was very hard to do!!!

 

[kskboys]

Well, and it goes back longer, doesn't it? And it applies our running backs too. Part of the reason for the success in the 90s was Russell Maryland's ability to stop the run. He completely forgot about the very formula that made us successful. Similarly, he's expecting Dak to succeed through the air without giving him even a semblance of a running game. Even Mahomes has a running game. Our history is littered with great running backs and great running games. To expect us to throw effectively and win is a knob headed idea. You can't do that in the NFL.

Or he never even knew.

Jerry truly thinks those 90s super bowl winners were all about the triplets. Funny thing was, those were D teams. The first super bowl vs BUFF was touted as the #1 O of BUFF vs our #1 D.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Or he never even knew.

Jerry truly thinks those 90s super bowl winners were all about the triplets. Funny thing was, those were D teams. The first super bowl vs BUFF was touted as the #1 O of BUFF vs our #1 D.

True, and that's the secret that Jimmy probably never told him. The triplets were great, but so were the whole teams.

 

[kskboys]

True, and that's the secret that Jimmy probably never told him. The triplets were great, but so were the whole teams.

The D was better than the O. Very underrated, and one of the best D's of all time. The D turned around both those first two BUFF super bowls. And our O wasn't good vs PITT at all, the D bailed them out.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Or he never even knew.

Jerry truly thinks those 90s super bowl winners were all about the triplets. Funny thing was, those were D teams. The first super bowl vs BUFF was touted as the #1 O of BUFF vs our #1 D.

The worst part is, everyone could see last year the imbalance we had. He must have thought that Dak was so good (and he's very good, I'm not discounting that) that he didn't need a running game. The idiocy in that is there has to be at least a threat of a running game for the passing game to be successful. Roger wouldn't have had the success he had without the likes of Duane Thomas, Walt Garrison, or Dorsett. Aikman wouldn't have the success he had without Emmitt. And so forth. Yet, if he listens to the broadcast, Brady almost predicted the interception because we couldn't run the ball. We struggle in the RedZone because we can't run the ball.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The D was better than the O. Very underrated, and one of the best D's of all time. The D turned around both those first two BUFF super bowls. And our O wasn't good vs PITT at all, the D bailed them out.

Exactly, and that's the secret ingredient that Jerry will not get. Even Dez Bryant was lighting up Twitter about our imbalance. Our entire team is at an imbalance. We can't stop the run, so it stretches our pass defence thinly. We can't run the ball, so we are forced to throw. This means games like today will be common or worse this season because you can't win like that in the NFL. No where in NFL history can you win by playing one dimensional. I understand that it's a passing league, but you still have to run the ball and stop it. It's still about the same original fundamentals. Passing should almost be a reward for running to an extent.

 

[ShiningStar]

Incorrect. You'd be well served to do a better job attempting to comprehend. It would keep you from making "dumb" counterarguments. And making erroneous statements about what the OP "wants".

In other words, you missed badly, try again!!!!!!

im not saying win at the trenches is wrong, BUT if the scheme or a proper coach isnt hired, htan no matter the talent you have, it doesnt do anything.

Under Garrett, his biggest problem is he couldnt always have the team working on all cyclinders at the same time. he would have one squad working great and the other two just get by.

You need a good couch with a scheme for the talent he has, not the other way around.

So your premise would only go round and round until the problem is solved.