Our defensive tackles will continue to be our achilles heel

[WillieBeamen]

DT's wasn't the issue today.....look at your linebackers and edge rushers...

Lol

 

[quickccc]

Need trade for one.

we did .... Hankins.

 

[GoldenR]

imo it goes further than that. Their defensive line is best vs the pass. But when they have to face teams that simply out physical them they fold. It’s the dline and linebackers. They just get gassed quickly when a team can just run it.

2018 we saw it too. Same defense 5 years later.

..............and still not addressing the problem.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lol

I know you seen all them runs attack the edge...the same edge people been attacking for YEARS but we keep scapegoating our DT's because we don't want to hear that Micah and co. be getting chewed up when teams emphasize running at them.

 

[quickccc]

DT's wasn't the issue today.....look at your linebackers and edge rushers...

- Armstrong has always been a suspect run defender .. we'll have a new starter at his DE spot next year.

- Fowler is really a situational pass rusher.
- I dunno how to evaluate Williams if he can be a starter as he is not
a smart player but he is so immensely talented and already has size/power.
but I would think he gets first bid at DE in '24.

- We also have suspect LB play ..for years. Clark is an average LB.
Bell is very undersize and still learning the LB role. and he is already a better play maker than Clark.

- Overshown is a wait and see off ACL recover. I've seen enuff of Evans to move forward. LVE should be done for his career
I really don't want him back.
We clearly really need to add legit talent to this LB unit in offseason. Likely come in NFL draft.

 

[NumOneQB]

LB play is just as bad

 

[nyc-cowboy]

A lot more wrong than just the DT’s.

Its like I've been saying for a while now - in almost every sport - if you want to have a strong defense, you need to be "strong up the middle"

And where is our weakness?

Right up the middle - Jag DTs - no LBs - and jag safeties who hardly ever make a play on there ball on the back end.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

- Armstrong has always been a suspect run defender .. we'll have a new starter at his DE spot next year.

- Fowler is really a situational pass rusher.
- I dunno how to evaluate Williams if he can be a starter as he is not
a smart player but he is so immensely talented and already has size/power.
but I would think he gets first bid at DE in '24.

- We also have suspect LB play ..for years. Clark is an average LB.
Bell is very undersize and still learning the LB role. and he is already a better play maker than Clark.

- Overshown is a wait and see off ACL recover. I've seen enuff of Evans to move forward. LVE should be done for his career
I really don't want him back.
We clearly really need to add legit talent to this LB unit in offseason. Likely come in NFL draft.

They keep saying Sam is raw and I just don't see it. Yeah he makes mistakes but that will get shored up. I've liked what i've seen from him.

I like both Clark and Bell. We had the years of guys who could play well against the run but sucked in coverage. Well its the opposite now. I don't say they suck against the run but their strengths are in the passing game. Hopefully Overshown is as good as advertised because I think a big crucial part in our defense taking a hit is we are not getting the same play out of Kearse and Wilson that we got last year or the year prior.

 

[kskboys]

A lot more wrong than just the DT’s.

Not really, aside from needing at least one starting quality LB.

 

[Risen Star]

Update: We are now at 12 straight games without a sack from our starting 3 tech.

 

[kskboys]

A lot more wrong than just the DT’s.

Do you watch other games? Bill's games? Their O just isn't all that great. What causes them to be able to run against us at will?

 

[jazzcat22]

Do you watch other games? Bill's games? Their O just isn't all that great. What causes them to be able to run against us at will?

I watch all the games.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Our play at the defensive tackle position has killed this team for years now. These dudes dont shed blocks or anchor against double teams at all.

Add in the fact that you have two undersized linebackers behind them and only one run-stopping edge, you get the result you saw today.

Mazi, Gallimore, Davis are all jags and Osa is slightly above average but would be one of the bottom ranked DTs on a legitimate playoff team.

What makes matters worse is they just spent a first on Mazi so dont expect them to address the position this offseason.

What legitimate playoff team is in the NFC besides the 49ers?

 

[Cowboyny]

Our play at the defensive tackle position has killed this team for years now. These dudes dont shed blocks or anchor against double teams at all.

Add in the fact that you have two undersized linebackers behind them and only one run-stopping edge, you get the result you saw today.

Mazi, Gallimore, Davis are all jags and Osa is slightly above average but would be one of the bottom ranked DTs on a legitimate playoff team.

What makes matters worse is they just spent a first on Mazi so dont expect them to address the position this offseason.

I tend to agree, but we got killed more due to outside runs and our backers unable to get off blocks. Think getting a legitimate Mike linebacker might be the bigger need

 

[kskboys]

I watch all the games.

And the Bills were running against us at will. What are you blaming it on? We do need at least one more quality LB.

 

[kskboys]

I tend to agree, but we got killed more due to outside runs and our backers unable to get off blocks. Think getting a legitimate Mike linebacker might be the bigger need

Nope. The DT's don't dominate the LOS, which means the LB's have to crash in which opens up the outside runs. Us being weak at DT affects every area of our D.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Update: We are now at 12 straight games without a sack from our starting 3 tech.

That’s a tough stat. But the Bills threw 13 passes today. Not much of a chance. But yea everyone sucked today including osa.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

That’s the easy finger pointing. But in all honestly Lawrence and parsons were atrocious today.

 

[kskboys]

That’s the easy finger pointing. But in all honestly Lawrence and parsons were atrocious today.

That's what happens when you have to cover up for a weak middle.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I tend to agree, but we got killed more due to outside runs and our backers unable to get off blocks. Think getting a legitimate Mike linebacker might be the bigger need

Nope. The DT's don't dominate the LOS, which means the LB's have to crash in which opens up the outside runs. Us being weak at DT affects every area of our D.

This.

The DTs never shed blocks and get into the backfield. How many TFLs did we have today?

The linebackers looked worse because of olinemen getting to the second level.