Our FA plan?

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I thought Ayers would be our starting strong side DE or a nice rotation player at 2 years/$4 million

They have to want to come here as well. We may have reached out to him and he said no.... Not saying that's what happened but it's possible. Let's be honest with how bad our defense has been the last few years, it's going to take a special personality to be willing to come in here and go thru the growing pains with us. The Giants D might have been bad last year as well but the broad perception is that they generally have a good defense and defensive players are going to want to be part of it.
 

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Keep drafting well and have a team setup for the new QB that takes over.

Anything we win with Romo is a bonus.
 

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Dont sign anyone... wrry bout the draft. Take this season like a man. And next yr sign young players to respectable contracts. Lets really make a SB push in 2015-2016. 1-2 really solid offseasons and I think we can be contenders.
 

Alexander

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The only one pretending is you, when you pretend to know anything about the cap.

The reality of how numbers can be massaged to the cap is one thing. How we are self imposing a budget is another. People are obviously mistaking the two.

We do not want to spend right now. And that is clear. Whether it is legitimate cap hell or self-imposed, it is still the same thing.
 

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I think the Cowboys are in a cap bind with very big deals on the horizon for Murray, Tyron and Dez.

According to my rough estimates I think they have around $2.6M to play with right now... The draft class will be about $6.8M if everybody makes the team, using Miles Austin's June1st cut to cover most of it... Need about $2M going into the season for emergency roster moves and Henry Melton's per game bonus.
 

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kihCharles till post: 5500327 said:
Yes and no. Yes it's the correct way for this team and the money they don't have - however, I would have thought that this far into free agency that the remaining players are not the expensive contract type. And I thought Ayers would have been exactly what we should be looking at. Relatively cheap short term contracts for players who have been passed over so far. Don't need to be stars, but solid players with flaws - who come in for a purpose. ROTATION. Look how the Giants have quietly bought in OLmen, filled gaps they will still take in the draft and got Ayers for their Dline rotation. Plus for cheap. Seams smart.
We will need to carpet bomb this draft for DT's and D-Ends as well as other positions we still need - so why not bring in a few cheap rotational players, with flaws who can at least play the positions you need ? Isn't that exactly what we should be doing? And without having to spend alot ?
Also, Spagnola - (who I usualy don't like his company line,) said in one of his columns - that signing Melton was a good start, but not the end game. People/fans/ and FO should not look at that as a "hey, we shored up the 3 tech. we're good. Senario." I agree, it should not be all we do. But it looks like the FO does not. I think we needed to find at least one backup guard if possible, then still draft another. DT and DE are obviously big needs still, regardlless of the Melton signing. WR is a high to mid round need, LBer. Are we going into this year with the Safeties we have ? So, as you can see. Too many holes for one draft to fill, low cost free agents like Ayers seemed to good to be true. I guess they were. The question that we all have to ask ourselves now is, will everyone be OK with a really down year, not even reaching 500. By not filling all our needs this one season, but having a younger, cheaper roster with more money and cap room next year. Short term down turn, for better long term stability and hopefully production on the field ? OK, rant completed !

What about charles Tillman? Be a nice addition . Shoot he would prob even start
 

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I would assume most of us are puzzled by the lack of activity by the Cowboys. Dallas does have 6+ million in cap space, leaving room for some bargain signings at the very least. We watch other teams in the division load up, whether they are smart moves or dumb, that is open to debate. I have to think we are just playing the waiting game (ala Seattle) to see what bargains we can get (Ayers, Avant) or sign a post 6/1 cut!! Once the draft is over, I assume we will sign some players to bolster the roster. Keeping the faith...

We have a plan ? LOL , I think we are waiting out the market like you said for good deals...
 

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The reality of how numbers can be massaged to the cap is one thing. How we are self imposing a budget is another. People are obviously mistaking the two.

We do not want to spend right now. And that is clear. Whether it is legitimate cap hell or self-imposed, it is still the same thing.

No it isn't. A budget plan can change. The numbers aren't massaged. There is either room or there isn't. Cap hell is when you are right at the cap and have no contracts to re-do and you have to cut productive players to sign someone else. And don't mention Ware. They would've saved more space by keeping him than cutting him. And they were never giving Hatcher 7m a year.

You have never answered when I put it to you- How much under the cap do they have to be to be considered in good shape?

They are almost 12m under right now counting Austin's money. What player were they prevented from pursuing?
 

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Dont sign anyone... wrry bout the draft. Take this season like a man. And next yr sign young players to respectable contracts. Lets really make a SB push in 2015-2016. 1-2 really solid offseasons and I think we can be contenders.

We've been saying that since 2008.
 

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I've never known free agency to change the fortunes of a team. Look at Washington. I'm as happy with this offseason as I've been with any in awhile--signing Melton to a "prove it" deal and adding some depth. You only think you're upset because the Cowboys haven't been active. You're really not. You're actually upset because, over the last few seasons, the Cowboys haven't been managed well enough to build a contender.

A team doesn't build a contender by splurging in one offseason to offset the years of mediocre drafting and personnel acquisition. Once again, look at Washington.
 

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I've never known free agency to change the fortunes of a team. Look at Washington. I'm as happy with this offseason as I've been with any in awhile--signing Melton to a "prove it" deal and adding some depth. You only think you're upset because the Cowboys haven't been active. You're really not. You're actually upset because, over the last few seasons, the Cowboys haven't been managed well enough to build a contender.

A team doesn't build a contender by splurging in one offseason to offset the years of mediocre drafting and personnel acquisition. Once again, look at Washington.

Generally, I agree, but we are so devoid of talent on the defensive side of the ball, we need more than what we have. Relying on the draft to produce 2-3 instant starters immediately is a pipe dream.
 

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I think the Cowboys are in a cap bind with very big deals on the horizon for Murray, Tyron and Dez.

According to my rough estimates I think they have around $2.6M to play with right now... The draft class will be about $6.8M if everybody makes the team, using Miles Austin's June1st cut to cover most of it... Need about $2M going into the season for emergency roster moves and Henry Melton's per game bonus.

Sorry, but you are way off.

They are 6.4m under right now
They get 5.5m on June 1st from Austin
The entire draft class will count around 2.5m to sign(for every pick that signs, someone on the top 51 contracts is knocked off)
Melton only played 3 games last year and had zero sacks, so his bonuses are Not Likely to be Earned and will count next year if he hits them
They are already 20m under for next year and have big hits with Romo, Free and Carr that they will deal with. They will have plenty of room to sign Dez and TSmith
 

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You have never answered when I put it to you- How much under the cap do they have to be to be considered in good shape?

I can provide direct quotes from our owner that suggests that they are not "in good shape" from his perspective. He has issues with the cap and is reacting accordingly.

This is not a function of a malleable cap and how you want to play with the numbers. It can be self-imposed or fiscally imposed.

The idea that we "could" is not relevant. Jones is the one feeling the pressure and he is behaving like we have zero room, then you might as well consider it "cap hell".
 

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Ah you are correct that flew by my head on the rule of 51 so it would be about $2M for the rookie class, but Melton's NLTBE incentives will be considered earned for every game he plays in and will count against the cap this year. So yeah I think they have about $5.9M to play with right now as reported by the NFLPA and about another $1.5M after June1st.

Almost the entire league is going to be well below $20M if the salary cap is as projected, salaries are going to sky rocket if every team has so much cap.
 

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I can provide direct quotes from our owner that suggests that they are not "in good shape" from his perspective. He has issues with the cap and is reacting accordingly.

This is not a function of a malleable cap and how you want to play with the numbers. It can be self-imposed or fiscally imposed.

The idea that we "could" is not relevant. Jones is the one feeling the pressure and he is behaving like we have zero room, then you might as well consider it "cap hell".

We are 12m under with another 12m in very easily attainable space. That's 24m under the cap. That is not anywhere near being in cap trouble, no matter what Jones may say from hour to hour.

It's like operating a household budget using only the weekly income, while ignoring the 200k in the bank. That's a lot different than having zero money in the bank and 20k in debt on the same income.

I do believe he is tired of veterans screwing him over after they get paid. He has been overly fair to his own guys and not many have rewarded him with better or at least similar production. Ware moved on for a few extra million after Jerry gave him a huge contract 2 years before he had to, with guarantees equal to top QBs. Spencer took the tag both years and he only played one. Hatcher finally played great when his next contract was on the line and Ratliff up and up quit on him after getting paid.
 

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No it isn't. A budget plan can change. The numbers aren't massaged. There is either room or there isn't. Cap hell is when you are right at the cap and have no contracts to re-do and you have to cut productive players to sign someone else. And don't mention Ware. They would've saved more space by keeping him than cutting him. And they were never giving Hatcher 7m a year.

You have never answered when I put it to you- How much under the cap do they have to be to be considered in good shape?

They are almost 12m under right now counting Austin's money. What player were they prevented from pursuing?

Stephen Jones made the comment a couple of months ago that this wouldn't be a big year for free agency due to the cap. From his comments I gathered that the cap did limit the team on free agent signings. I don't guess his opinion matters much because I read post on this board that states the cap is not a problem and can be worked around. I guess CZ posters know more about what the Cowboys can do in free agency than the man who manages the cap in Dallas. The point being is that they knew they were limited due to the cap. If the cap was all peaches and cream, there are several players that I am sure they would have tried to sign.
 

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Stephen Jones made the comment a couple of months ago that this wouldn't be a big year for free agency due to the cap. From his comments I gathered that the cap did limit the team on free agent signings. I don't guess his opinion matters much because I read post on this board that states the cap is not a problem and can be worked around. I guess CZ posters know more about what the Cowboys can do in free agency than the man who manages the cap in Dallas. The point being is that they knew they were limited due to the cap. If the cap was all peaches and cream, there are several players that I am sure they would have tried to sign.

Is 24m under the cap enough space to maneuver? That's how much cap space they have. Whether they activate it or not is another discussion.

They got Melton, Byrd got a crazy contract, they were in on Allen. Who are these guys they missed on that are sure bets to be better than the guys we have that don't come with a giant price tag?

The offense is pretty set. They are solid at LB, DB and ST(they can't upgrade without giving up on some young talent). They are addressing the DL and have 11 Draft picks.
 

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Is 24m under the cap enough space to maneuver? That's how much cap space they have. Whether they activate it or not is another discussion.

They got Melton, Byrd got a crazy contract, they were in on Allen. Who are these guys they missed on that are sure bets to be better than the guys we have that don't come with a giant price tag?

The offense is pretty set. They are solid at LB, DB and ST(they can't upgrade without giving up on some young talent). They are addressing the DL and have 11 Draft picks.

They are nowhere near solid at DB or LB. Not even close.
 
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