Our pass defense

[DanteEXT]

I stopped by purplepride.org and was trying to chat with some Vikings fans. Or course, the main thread has turned into a trash talk center (go figure) with some other Cowboys fans that have shown up.

Anyway, a vikings fan wrote that our pass defense isn't very good. I've got a Colts fan for a friend who's been saying that all year.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how they come to this conclusion. Yes, I know the 'boys rank in passing yards/game allowed. But to me, the points allowed is a much better indication. Especially when you factor in the run D this season.

Anyone here know why this perception is out there?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Probably because for years now ESPN and other national talking heads have claimed we have a bad secondary.

Never mind that it's not really true... When it gets said enough, people just accept it as true.

 

[CowboysFaninBaltimore]

Probably because for years now ESPN and other national talking heads have claimed we have a bad secondary.

Never mind that it's not really true... When it gets said enough, people just accept it as true.

I'd love to watch the Cowboys beat the utter living crap out these idiots. Does every fanbase turn into **** talking with us? LOL

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Cowboy pass defense improved by leaps and bounds over the last half of the season. The first part of the season wasn't stellar, but then over the last half, several important things happened:

1. Jenkins really turned it on. He's now a very, very good corner.
2. Scandrick improved greatly from a horrible first few games.
3. Spencer became the pass-rusher that many envisioned.

While the Cowboy pass defense is still a little soft underneath, I think it's the best pass defense left in the playoffs.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

We really don't have a weakness on defense right now.

Newman and Jenkins are playing as any bookend corners right now.

 

[tomson75]

Probably because for years now ESPN and other national talking heads have claimed we have a bad secondary.

Never mind that it's not really true... When it gets said enough, people just accept it as true.

This...

The Cowboy pass defense improved by leaps and bounds over the last half of the season. The first part of the season wasn't stellar, but then over the last half, several important things happened:

1. Jenkins really turned it on. He's now a very, very good corner.
2. Scandrick improved greatly from a horrible first few games.
3. Spencer became the pass-rusher that many envisioned.

While the Cowboy pass defense is still a little soft underneath, I think it's the best pass defense left in the playoffs.

...and this.

Not to mention we've historically gone very soft after building a lead. Allowing teams to throw the ball at will in between the 20's.

Skews the stats heavily.

Anyone that thinks our secondary is weak now is uninformed, stupid, or both.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Well, Manning and Rivers were able to pass pretty easily on this secondary and that was just 1 month ago. I'm hoping that the recent defense we are seeing isn't an aberration created by favorable matchups where we were able to keep more defenders in the secondary. If the Cowboys can stop Peterson without having to put 8 in the box then there should be no trouble!

 

[notherbob]

Stat-wise, there's not much difference between the Cowboys and the Vikings in passing defense as The Vikes were in 8th position among the NFC with 218 yds/game average and Dallas was in 9th with 225, a difference of 7 yards, not much to brag about.

The Boys are in better shape if you look at points allowed as they allowed 250 whereas the Vikes allowed 312.

Stats are what you want them to be.

 

[Don Corleone]

Could that be because we stomp a mudhole in teams early in games, and then force them to pass and abandon the run?

Gee, some fans are stupid and uninformed.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Our defense didn't get a lot of interceptions this year, so opposing QB passer ratings were fairly high. I think we were 18th in the league in opposing passer rating. And we gave up a decent amount of passing yards because teams can't run on us, whether we're beating them or not.

The only defensive stat that matters at all in the end is points allowed, and if Cincy had something to play week 17 we'd have been #1 in that. #2 is good enough for me, and in the end every hater out there can keep saying we haven't proven ourselves, right up to the point where we hoist the Lombardi, then they can go back and hide.

 

[Madzo]

Maybe because they just hate the cowboys and do not want to give them credit for anything. They could also be in denial because they fear the living daylights out of the boys pass rush.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, Manning and Rivers were able to pass pretty easily on this secondary and that was just 1 month ago.!

That's not necessarily true.

Eli was 11 for 25 for 241 yards. 74 of those yards were on the Brandon Jacobs swing pass... which has "fluke" written all over it. The rest of the time he was 10 for 24 for 167– That's pretty poor.

Rivers was much better. He did do some damage... 21 for 32 for 272 yards. Good, but it wasn't a 300 yard game... Remember Rivers put up some terrific stats this year. 21 for 32 for 272 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT did not mark one of his better games. As a matter of fact it was his 5th worst game of the season.

There was much worse pass coverage the beginning of the season when they gave up 276 yards to Leftwich in week 1 and 330 yards to Manning in week 2.

Since then the pass defense has improved by leaps & bounds.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Stat-wise, there's not much difference between the Cowboys and the Vikings in passing defense as The Vikes were in 8th position among the NFC with 218 yds/game average and Dallas was in 9th with 225, a difference of 7 yards, not much to brag about.

The Boys are in better shape if you look at points allowed as they allowed 250 whereas the Vikes allowed 312.

Stats are what you want them to be.

Giving up 600 passing yards the first two weeks of the season really screwed the pooch as far as being able to get a good per game average for the rest of the season.

I think this is the best pass defense of any of the remaining playoff teams, at least in the NFC.

I really believe that.

 

[28 Joker]

Oh, DeSean, DeSean.

Terence Newman held you to 90 yards in THREE GAMES!

Payback is fun.

Newman 3

Jackson 1

1-800SEEYA

How did it feel to go to school?

Your head coach wasn't taunting Newman this year.

Waive at Newman now, Andy Reid.

Have a nice, long, cold, winter.

Oh, yeah.

Can we trade out of round one and trade back in with you and pick two more elite players?

#93
#28
#21

We got all three of them.

Thank you!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Cowboy pass defense improved by leaps and bounds over the last half of the season. The first part of the season wasn't stellar, but then over the last half, several important things happened:

1. Jenkins really turned it on. He's now a very, very good corner.
2. Scandrick improved greatly from a horrible first few games.
3. Spencer became the pass-rusher that many envisioned.

While the Cowboy pass defense is still a little soft underneath, I think it's the best pass defense left in the playoffs.

and that's more by design

 

[Rampage]

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[MichaelWinicki]

and that's more by design

No question that some of that is.

It's the nature of the beast, you can't cover all parts of the field at a high level of efficiency. There has to be give & take.

That being said, Brady James and Brookings will never be confused as being great coverage linebackers.

 

[RainMan]

The Cowboy pass defense improved by leaps and bounds over the last half of the season. The first part of the season wasn't stellar, but then over the last half, several important things happened:

1. Jenkins really turned it on. He's now a very, very good corner.
2. Scandrick improved greatly from a horrible first few games.
3. Spencer became the pass-rusher that many envisioned.

While the Cowboy pass defense is still a little soft underneath, I think it's the best pass defense left in the playoffs.

Good points. Our pass defense numbers suffer from what was a rather awful start to the season. There was the Giants game in which we allowed a pair of 100-yard receivers, and the Denver game in which the game was lost on a long reception (great play by the offense, by the way).

But there was a turning point after that San Diego game. Ask New Orleans or Philly about our pass defense.

I think we have a harmonious mix going right now. We have a pass rush that makes things easy on the secondary, but we also have a trio of corners who perform their roles remarkably well even when the pressure isn't bailing them out -- Jenkins as a No. 1, Newman as a No. 2 and Scandrick as a slot guy. Throw in the fact that our safeties, while not overly skilled in pass coverage, simply don't get beat deep much and we have a good thing going.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think we have a harmonious mix going right now. We have a pass rush that makes things easy on the secondary, but we also have a trio of corners who perform their roles remarkably well even when the pressure isn't bailing them out -- Jenkins as a No. 1, Newman as a No. 2 and Scandrick as a slot guy. Throw in the fact that our safeties, while not overly skilled in pass coverage, simply don't get beat deep much and we have a good thing going.

True.

Remember when TO played for the Eagles or Plex was at his best with the Giants?

God-almighty, you knew the Cowboy secondary was going to get burned deep, you just knew it.

And nothing could stop it.

Well, those days are long gone.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Yeah, me and my friend were having this discussion the other day, about how Ken Hamlin hasn't really been a playmaker the past two seasons at safety, but at least he doesn't give up big plays. When we were still running Roy out there at safety, we could pretty much count on getting torched deep a couple times a month.

Santana Moss's 2 TDs in a row still haunt me the tiniest bit.