Our running game

jzcowboy · Jul 31, 2009

A quick thought I had on our plans for incorporating more of a running attack this year. I always thought our running game was quite good last year but all this talk about being better made me take a closer look.

2008 yards per attempt

Dallas (Barber, Jones, Choice) 5.9
NYG (Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw) 5.3
Atlanta (Turner, Norwood, Snelling) 4.1
Minnesota (Peterson, Taylor) 4.4

The other teams were just my random picks from what ESPN says are the good NFC running teams. It seems to me when we ran last year we were good enough. So if we really will be better this year, would that not make us the best?

JBS · Jul 31, 2009

I would guess tHose numbers are skewed. Did you take our 3 backs ypc, add them up and divide by 3? If so, that's not a good indication, a more accurate indication is our ypc for the year, I bet that's not 5.9.

quaigs · Jul 31, 2009

Yeah not sure where those stats came from but they are not correct.

Barber 238 885
Choice 92 472
Jones 30 266
360 1623 4.51

JBS · Jul 31, 2009

4.51 is better than I expected to see, not bad.

Swolt · Jul 31, 2009

jzcowboy;2862096 said:
A quick thought I had on our plans for incorporating more of a running attack this year. I always thought our running game was quite good last year but all this talk about being better made me take a closer look.

2008 yards per attempt

Dallas (Barber, Jones, Choice) 5.9
NYG (Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw) 5.3
Atlanta (Turner, Norwood, Snelling) 4.1
Minnesota (Peterson, Taylor) 4.4

The other teams were just my random picks from what ESPN says are the good NFC running teams. It seems to me when we ran last year we were good enough. So if we really will be better this year, would that not make us the best?

If that average were true Tony wouldn't have to throw a pass

jzcowboy · Jul 31, 2009

glorydaysrback;2862103 said:
I would guess tHose numbers are skewed. Did you take our 3 backs ypc, add them up and divide by 3? If so, that's not a good indication, a more accurate indication is our ypc for the year, I bet that's not 5.9.

My comparison is yards per carry for a group. Barber 3.7, Jones 8.9 and Choice 5.1. Since the comparison is using the same math for each group the numbers are not skewed.

quaigs · Jul 31, 2009

jzcowboy;2862131 said:
My comparison is yards per carry for a group. Barber 3.7, Jones 8.9 and Choice 5.1. Since the comparison is using the same math for each group the numbers are not skewed.

LOL, Well if it works like that then, why even bother with those guys since we could use RW11 and Crayton as RB's instead and average 12.0.

RW11 1 13 13.0

Crayton 1 11 11.0

Doomsday101 · Jul 31, 2009

Dallas ranking 25th in rushing attemps is the stat that jumps out at me as well as 21st in team rushing yards per game. I hope to see that changed this season.

jzcowboy · Jul 31, 2009

quaigs;2862144 said:
LOL, Well if it works like that then, why even bother with those guys since we could use RW11 and Crayton as RB's instead and average 12.0.

RW11 1 13 13.0

Crayton 1 11 11.0

So instead of having a positive thread about this years running game, after all I did ask a question in the original post, we'll just have more infighting. Good deal

quaigs · Jul 31, 2009

jzcowboy;2862173 said:
So instead of having a positive thread about this years running game, after all I did ask a question in the original post, we'll just have more infighting. Good deal

As we have tried to explain to you, your math is not correct. You can't just add up their averages like you did, it doesn't work that way. So how is it possible to answer your question, when it's based off incorrect math?

Doomsday101 · Jul 31, 2009

jzcowboy;2862173 said:
So instead of having a positive thread about this years running game, after all I did ask a question in the original post, we'll just have more infighting. Good deal

I have high hopes for this year’s running game. I think we have an abundance of talent at the position and would like to see the running game become a bigger factor in the offense.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 31, 2009

glorydaysrback;2862103 said:
I would guess tHose numbers are skewed. Did you take our 3 backs ypc, add them up and divide by 3? If so, that's not a good indication, a more accurate indication is our ypc for the year, I bet that's not 5.9.

exactly. that skews the numbers......

WarDaddy · Jul 31, 2009

I thought the OP calculated yards per ATTEMPT.

Seems like everyone after him jumped down his throat for yards per CARRY.

Maybe his math isn't wrong...

Carry on.

Swolt · Jul 31, 2009

Doomsday101;2862146 said:
Dallas ranking 25th in rushing attemps is the stat that jumps out at me as well as 21st in team rushing yards per game. I hope to see that changed this season.

If these rankings overall are true about our running game, then a 5.9 avg. is highly unlikely. Just wouldn't add up. But I'm with everyone hoping our high talented run-game is successful. :bow:

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 31, 2009

jzcowboy;2862131 said:
My comparison is yards per carry for a group. Barber 3.7, Jones 8.9 and Choice 5.1. Since the comparison is using the same math for each group the numbers are not skewed.

you would be wrong. mathematically, statistically and every other way.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 31, 2009

jzcowboy;2862173 said:
So instead of having a positive thread about this years running game, after all I did ask a question in the original post, we'll just have more infighting. Good deal

he wasn't fighting. he was just pointing out a flaw in your original logic. based on the average you had in your original post (5.9). then the total carries for the three of them was 360, that would equate to 2124 yards, but the actual yards was 1623 a difference of 501 yards. where did those yards go? do you understand now?

Doomsday101 · Jul 31, 2009

cowboynick;2862201 said:
If these rankings overall are true about our running game, then a 5.9 avg. is highly unlikely. Just wouldn't add up. But I'm with everyone hoping our high talented run-game is successful.

As I pointed out when you rank 21st in yards per game in rushing that is a problem as well as being 25th in attemps. I hope to see both numbers increase this year.

JBS · Jul 31, 2009

kidcrook;2862200 said:
I thought the OP calculated yards per ATTEMPT.

Seems like everyone after him jumped down his throat for yards per CARRY.

Maybe his math isn't wrong...

Carry on.

What are yards per attempt when discussing rushing? How do you attempt to rush and fail?

skinswin · Jul 31, 2009

jzcowboy;2862096 said:
A quick thought I had on our plans for incorporating more of a running attack this year. I always thought our running game was quite good last year but all this talk about being better made me take a closer look.

2008 yards per attempt

Dallas (Barber, Jones, Choice) 5.9
NYG (Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw) 5.3
Atlanta (Turner, Norwood, Snelling) 4.1
Minnesota (Peterson, Taylor) 4.4

The other teams were just my random picks from what ESPN says are the good NFC running teams. It seems to me when we ran last year we were good enough. So if we really will be better this year, would that not make us the best?

NO it would not,portis will rush for more yards then your 3 combine.If not it will be very close...

ArmyCowboy · Jul 31, 2009

The math done the right way:

Dallas Cowboys: 4.3 ypc

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortab...ng&stat=rushAvg&dir=descending&season=regular

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