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[Everson24]

I think the RGIII hype has gone overboard.

Maybe, But there is no denying his skill set and intelligence. He sure looks to have all the tools to be a dominating force in this league for many years. Darn you Cleveland for not making the trade to get him when you had the chance. I would have loved to see him beat the Steelers for the next 10 years.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

When teams catch up to that Baylor Gimmick offense we will see how RGIII adjusts.

 

[JBond]

Well...he fixed the Corners and that has gone a long way.

I wanted the issues on the lines to be addressed for years, but I am not so blind or stuck in my ways that I am unable to acknowledge that better CB play has helped this defense tremendously.

This defense may end up number one over all before it's all done. We are just now starting to get healthy. Unfortunately it may not matter because our WR's are mental midgets. In a passing league that does not bode well for long term success.

 

[tecolote]

The dude can play... he is good and will only get better.. This guy is much better than Cam Newton.. He is so much smarter than Newton

Or, defenses will get some tape and adjust and he will come back down to earth a little bit. Like with Newton last year.

One can only hope.

 

[Shinywalrus]

I think the underestimation of RGIII by some on these boards is breathtaking. He's a legitimate MVP candidate.

He is not a legitimate MVP candidate, but he's a shoe-in for OROY at this point.

Recency bias is amazing, though - everyone sees RGIII and pretends in their mind that they didn't feel as strongly about Cam last year. They justify it by coming up with justifications to support the recency-biased view that RGIII MUST be having a better season.

The truth is that recent NFL history is littered with mobile quarterbacks with new deliveries in new systems having a successful season, after which teams have collected enough tape to counter them. This happened with Vince, it happened with Vick's resurgence and it happened with Cam. Teams need time to develop the schemes and approaches to defeat their versatility.

RGIII could be different, but remember we said that Cam was different. The "overhyped" comment is true in that RGIII's long-term potential isn't going to be proven this year. It will be proven if and when he sustains this performance after teams have begun to adjust to his style of play.

But man, does he look good, and man is he a likable guy. I'm an RGIII fan. /shrug

 

[Nation]

Through 7 games Griffin has a 101.8 passer rating and is average 66 yards a game. Vick never topped 82 for a QB rating in his seasons with Atlanta and Newton was an 85 last year. There really isn't a comparison here in style of play, Vick and Newton are running quarterbacks and RG3 is a quarterback who runs. His style of play is more similar to Steve Young or Rodgers at this point.

 

[tecolote]

He is not a legitimate MVP candidate, but he's a shoe-in for OROY at this point.

Recency bias is amazing, though - everyone sees RGIII and pretends in their mind that they didn't feel as strongly about Cam last year. They justify it by coming up with justifications to support the recency-biased view that RGIII MUST be having a better season.

The truth is that recent NFL history is littered with mobile quarterbacks with new deliveries in new systems having a successful season, after which teams have collected enough tape to counter them. This happened with Vince, it happened with Vick's resurgence and it happened with Cam. Teams need time to develop the schemes and approaches to defeat their versatility.

RGIII could be different, but remember we said that Cam was different. The "overhyped" comment is true in that RGIII's long-term potential isn't going to be proven this year. It will be proven if and when he sustains this performance after teams have begun to adjust to his style of play.

But man, does he look good, and man is he a likable guy. I'm an RGIII fan. /shrug

Great post.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Unfortunately it may not matter because our WR's are mental midgets. In a passing league that does not bode well for long term success.

Yes they are, a direct reflection of other numbskulls we've had.

Enough is enough, don't have to have primo donnas with rocks for brains playing WR, look at the Patriots or any prolific passing Offense, it's almost void of needless distractions.


Dez Bryant inparticuliar is a brick or two short of a cord. :laugh1:

 

[anj113]

The league will soon catch up with RG3 the way it did Vick and Newton.

Unfortunatley, Griffin will weather the tough time ahead of him, adjust, and evolve his game to where it needs to be. Because he has a brain in the pan.

The Cowboys window could be open for several years, but players like Dez always seem to be there to shut it every weekend.

the difference between him and Newton and that clown Vick is that RG is smart, He is extremely intellegent... That goes a long way

 

[Chocolate Lab]

RG3 throws the ball far better than Newton. Plus he seems to have a much better attitude.

 

[KB1122]

He is not a legitimate MVP candidate, but he's a shoe-in for OROY at this point.

Recency bias is amazing, though - everyone sees RGIII and pretends in their mind that they didn't feel as strongly about Cam last year. They justify it by coming up with justifications to support the recency-biased view that RGIII MUST be having a better season.

The truth is that recent NFL history is littered with mobile quarterbacks with new deliveries in new systems having a successful season, after which teams have collected enough tape to counter them. This happened with Vince, it happened with Vick's resurgence and it happened with Cam. Teams need time to develop the schemes and approaches to defeat their versatility.

RGIII could be different, but remember we said that Cam was different. The "overhyped" comment is true in that RGIII's long-term potential isn't going to be proven this year. It will be proven if and when he sustains this performance after teams have begun to adjust to his style of play.

But man, does he look good, and man is he a likable guy. I'm an RGIII fan. /shrug

I would say the second year is a little early to give up on Cam. If people think Romo is injured by a bad supporting cast .....

I don't mean that RGIII is going to win the MVP trophy, although it's not outside the realm if Wash goes on a late playoff run. But is he top 5 in the voting or so? Right now I would say yes.

Some CZ posters are acting like he's John Skelton on a hot streak.

 

[Mash]

After watching parts of the Commanders Giants game, I came away with this sad feeling that our window with Tony Romo has closed. RG3 may already be better than Tony and in the last couple of years Eli Manning has raised his game to another level. As good as Tony Romo is, right now he is no better than the third best QB in our division.

I have always been a Tony Romo apologist but right now it is hard to see us going deep in the post season in any of the next few years barring season injuries to those two QB's.

What makes this so frustrating is that the window was wide open from 2006-2011 and we were never able to take advantage of it. When Tony Romo's career is over we may look back at the missed pass to Miles Austin in week 14 last year as his last realistic chance to win the NFC East.

It's hard to see the Tony Romo era coming to an end like this, but this team is a train wreck and even the most ardant homer must see it. We are nowhere near ready to contend this year and with Eli and RG3 being younger and better our future looks pretty bleak right now. Our window closed on December 11 2011.

Thankyou....you just saved me years of having hope on winning a SB....oh well.....I guess I should wait for the NHL season to start.....nevermind...my team there hasnt won the cup since 67......what am I going to do now?

 

[laythewood28]

I think the underestimation of RGIII by some on these boards is breathtaking. He's a legitimate MVP candidate.

Stupid Commander fans.

 

[Blackspider214]

we never had a window....This team really was never that close to winning anything

We were 13-3 in 2007 and had the best record in the NFC. I would say we had a pretty good shot right there.

 

[rickjameschinaclub]

We were 13-3 in 2007 and had the best record in the NFC. I would say we had a pretty good shot right there.

Too bad Jerry blew it with his love for the whole Garrett family...

 

[Doomsday]

I am still waiting for some one to open the window. The stank coming out of valley ranch is unbearable at times.

 

[KB1122]

He's on pace for a 100+ qbr and 1,000-ish yards rushing. If that's not an MVP candidate, I don't know what is.

 

[Shinywalrus]

I would say the second year is a little early to give up on Cam. If people think Romo is injured by a bad supporting cast .....

I don't mean that RGIII is going to win the MVP trophy, although it's not outside the realm if Wash goes on a late playoff run. But is he top 5 in the voting or so? Right now I would say yes.

Some CZ posters are acting like he's John Skelton on a hot streak.

I think that the original post was arguing that we should be running for the doors because RGIII is "already better than Romo." Most of the responses were - and I think rightly - advising the OP to slow down, remember that we said the same things against Cam last season and Vick the season before, and trust in a player who has been a consistently very good quarterback (Romo) over one who has put together a few high quality games.

Cam could regain his mojo and RGIII could keep it, but the idea that Romo is John Skelton on a cold streak rears its head from time to time as well and is worth spending a few moments dismissing.

 

[Shinywalrus]

He's on pace for a 100+ qbr and 1,000-ish yards rushing. If that's not an MVP candidate, I don't know what is.

You're cherry-picking stats. He's on pace to throw 10 fewer touchdown passes than any QB MVP in the last 30 years (maybe longer, didn't look before 1980).

 

[Idgit]

This thread is a confirmation of what I've long held to be the case. It's not the the OP thinks Romo's gotten worse. It's that he thinks Eli has gotten better and the Sk*ns now have RGIII.

People get upset when they see other good younger players at positions where we already have good players, and they conclude that our players are dropping off or getting worse as a result. It has nothing to do with how our players are actually playing. Gronkowski has a great season? Witten's lost a step. His reception numbers still look good? Well, he can't block as well anymore, then. JPP turning it on? Ware's window is closing, and Spencer can't play. The Sk*ns drafted RGIII? I saw part of the game against the Giants--where the Sk*ns lost--and he's already better than Tony Romo.

Sorry, I've never bought into the idea of windows in the first place. You can't tell from year to year in the NFL anymore which teams are going to end up contenders. Every season there's a new group that may or may not have had a window in the first place. I just watch the games and see how the season develops. If you're lucky, your team runs away with the season early. If you're not, you hope they stick around long enough to get in position to make a run in November. If the Cowboys do it this season, we'll all be surprised how easy it is to make the window open up again. After all, we're a missed fg away from playing for the undisputed NFCE lead this weekend, of all things, after all of this season's early disappointment.