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GoinForSix said:
He limited our offense, and gave defenses an opportunity to focus on Terry Glenn. He yelled in Bledsoe's face on the sideline after Bledsoe calmly asked him not to fumble the damn ball.

So as far as receiving production and class, I'm gonna have to scratch my head on that. Lets not forget how much he was getting paid to be a move the chains kinda guy.

I too believe he was under rated. He was never brought here to be the home run guy. He was paid to make the tough catches and that's what he did, consistantly.

As for the getting in the face thing, remember that he did not instigate that. I think it's a bit unfair to paint him as the villan in that situation.
 

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GoinForSix said:
He limited our offense, and gave defenses an opportunity to focus on Terry Glenn. He yelled in Bledsoe's face on the sideline after Bledsoe calmly asked him not to fumble the damn ball.

So as far as receiving production and class, I'm gonna have to scratch my head on that. Lets not forget how much he was getting paid to be a move the chains kinda guy.

Some of us looked at Key for what he was a top notch possession WR and he lived up to that reputation making the hard catches and taking the big hit and still holding on to the ball. If I looked at Key as some speed WR who was going to out run the secondary then I would have been disappointed. To say he was over rated it really is one person perspective based on expectations. He lived up to my expectation so I could not sit here and say he was over rated.
 

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Anyone who was drafted close to or above Quincy Carter and didn't accomplish as much are all overrated because they deserve the same or more
critizism then Carter got.......but we never hear it......I wonder if Henson gets trashed like Carter when he finally gets released.....

Most underrated.......Quincy Carter.

He lead this team to the playoffs with a terriable offence......If only we could see Drew Bleadsoe play behind that god forsaken offensive line and those pathetic skilled players like Hambrick.

Most overrated.....the likes of Drew Henson....Al Johnson....Peterman....etc

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh1:

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Does anyone know Key's base salary when he signed? Didn't he get 5 years 25 mil or something like that?
 

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Mash said:
Anyone who was drafted close to or above Quincy Carter and didn't accomplish as much are all overrated because they deserve the same or more
critizism then Carter got.......but we never hear it......I wonder if Henson gets trashed like Carter when he finally gets released.....

Most underrated.......Quincy Carter.

He lead this team to the playoffs with a terriable offence......If only we could see Drew Bleadsoe play behind that god forsaken offensive line and those pathetic skilled players like Hambrick.

Most overrated.....the likes of Drew Henson....Al Johnson....Peterman....etc

this is why I find him over rated. He put up shatty numbers and yet some want to give credit for leading the team to the playoffs? Sorry playing poor ball is not leading anything and he did nothing to make the offense better he was just as much of the offensive problems. As far as Henson if he does not make it then yes you could say he was a bust and over rated and any other negitive you want to throw out there. I know one thing I will not be talking about Henson 2 years after getting released.
 

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Mash said:
Anyone who was drafted close to or above Quincy Carter and didn't accomplish as much are all overrated because they deserve the same or more
critizism then Carter got.......but we never hear it......I wonder if Henson gets trashed like Carter when he finally gets released.....

Most underrated.......Quincy Carter.

He lead this team to the playoffs with a terriable offence......If only we could see Drew Bleadsoe play behind that god forsaken offensive line and those pathetic skilled players like Hambrick.

Most overrated.....the likes of Drew Henson....Al Johnson....Peterman....etc

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh1:

:eek: :eek:

I continue to be amazed. A thread not really even about QBs and Carter makes his appearance. This is simply astounding to me.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
this is why I find him over rated. He put up shatty numbers and yet some want to give credit for leading the team to the playoffs? Sorry playing poor ball is not leading anything and he did nothing to make the offense better he was just as much of the offensive problems. As far as Henson if he does not make it then yes you could say he was a bust and over rated and any other negitive you want to throw out there. I know one thing I will not be talking about Henson 2 years after getting released.

With a better decision making QB in 2003 we would've won at least 12 games, and made a better run in the playoffs. I don't want to bring this old argument up, but QC was a solid athlete with loads of potential. But he really made poor decisions, threw a lot of telegraphed balls, and I never really felt comfortable when he dropped back. So in regard to him carrying us to the playoffs, I'd have to give that nod to the defense.
 

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Danny Noonan, Shante Carver, and a bunch of other #1 bust were over-rated before we drafted them. Does that count?
 

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Around here the most overrated are the Pat Watkins and Bobby Carpenter types that get drafted and overhyped and then end up only being mediocre players. Not that those two are going to be mediocre, just that every draft pick is always regarded as genious.
 

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QuanTran said:
Danny Noonan, Shante Carver, and a bunch of other #1 bust were over-rated before we drafted them. Does that count?

Russell Maryland was over rated but then again, it wasn't his fault we took him number one over all either.
 

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GoinForSix said:
With a better decision making QB in 2003 we would've won at least 12 games, and made a better run in the playoffs. I don't want to bring this old argument up, but QC was a solid athlete with loads of potential. But he really made poor decisions, threw a lot of telegraphed balls, and I never really felt comfortable when he dropped back. So in regard to him carrying us to the playoffs, I'd have to give that nod to the defense.

I learned a long time ago potential does not mean anything you either do the job or you don't. All potential does is gives you more of an opportunity to prove yourself. Only reason I made mention (sorry I did) was because he is the only player I can think of who played like **** and yet has this following by some fans and this attitude of he lead this team
 

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True Russell was overrated, but remember, the Cowboys traded up that year so they could have a chance to get Rocket Ismail. Then he decided to go to the CFL. The Cowboys just settled for Maryland. He had a decent career but not a #1 overall pick like career.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I learned a long time ago potential does not mean anything you either do the job or you don't. All potential does is gives you more of an opportunity to prove yourself. Only reason I made mention (sorry I did) was because he is the only player I can think of who played like **** and yet has this following by some fans and this attitude of he lead this team


Hey.....this is just why I think he is underrated....or not appreciated more. statements like that....."he is the only player I cant think of who played like ****

Carter did play like crap sometimes.....but sometimes he did play pretty well....all with a horrid offence. How many times have we heard this year how Bledsoe would of played better if Flo didnt get hurt.....yet Carter played like **** not because he was running for his life.....Not because he had the worst RB in football....or a OL that could of gone down as one of the worst the cowboys ever fielded....but because he just plain out sucked........Im just trying to be consistent in judging playes.....Carter didn't have a great supporting offensive cast......yet.....he sucked......and yes he did sometimes.....

Carter at least started in the NFL.....there has been alot of players who have been drafted higher.....or had more Money invested in them and they never seen the field as a Cowbly......yet they go unnoticed......not critized....nothing.

So I will put it better.....Carter is the most under appreciated :)
 

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Anthony Henry.

Don't get me wrong. I love his game and think he is a great complement to Newman. I also think that he is one of the better #2 corners in the game.

However, people all over the place were calling him our defensive MVP and saying he was the best CB on the team before he got hurt. Sorry Anthony, but you ain't 1/2 the CB TNew is. Period. Henry was a playmaker because the guy on the other side of the field a) shut his man down and never had the ball thrown his way and b) allowed us to roll our coverage to Henry's side which gave him the security blanket to take risks.
 

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EMMITTnROY said:
First off, I still think that Keyshawn was underrated as a Cowboy.. he MIGHT be overrated in regards to his entire career and he might overrate himself, but as a Cowboy he never really got that many props.. he played hard, was consistent, made lots of tough catches, was classy as could be, and did all the little things..

and calling Larry Allen overrated is absurd.. maybe his last couple years, but not over the course of his career.. he is one of the greatest of all-time..

lastly, if anyone answers Roy Williams, I'm gonna get angry.. you won't like me when I'm angry..

Roy Williams...






Is a good safety :eek::
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Russell Maryland was over rated but then again, it wasn't his fault we took him number one over all either.

Good call. Hugely overrated player. I was bitter when we drafted him but then the top of that draft was as weak as they come. How he ever started over Leon Lett for any length of time I'll never know. Not only was he average, his feet were always banged up.

I recall one specialy play from this guy, the first play of the first defensive series of the 1992 NFC Championship game when SF went deep to Jerry Rice to take advantage of Kevin Smith getting hurt on the opening kickoff coverage. Young threw a perfect deep post strike complete to Rice who had fried Ike Holt on the play and it would have been a TD had it not been for the OL being called for holding Maryland who had crashed through the middle and gotten in Young's face. Had he not been held Maryland would have probably sacked Young.
 

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True Russell was overrated, but remember, the Cowboys traded up that year so they could have a chance to get Rocket Ismail. Then he decided to go to the CFL. The Cowboys just settled for Maryland. He had a decent career but not a #1 overall pick like career.

Heh, sorry, but can someone tell me the whole story on this? I think i was too young to know. I just want to know what happened.
 

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Anthony Henry.

Don't get me wrong. I love his game and think he is a great complement to Newman. I also think that he is one of the better #2 corners in the game.

However, people all over the place were calling him our defensive MVP and saying he was the best CB on the team before he got hurt. Sorry Anthony, but you ain't 1/2 the CB TNew is. Period. Henry was a playmaker because the guy on the other side of the field a) shut his man down and never had the ball thrown his way and b) allowed us to roll our coverage to Henry's side which gave him the security blanket to take risks.

Not Henry's fault, but :hammer:
 

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I really placed Henry on a pedestal last year, and really expected a lot out of him after the first half. But the 49ers game kind of exposed him.
 

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ghost said:
Heh, sorry, but can someone tell me the whole story on this? I think i was too young to know. I just want to know what happened.
In 1991 Dallas traded one of their first round picks and their second round pick for New England's first pick overall with hopes of drafting Rocket Ismail. Rocket instead opted for a deal with the CFL and left the Cowboys high and dry with no one to pick. This was one of the weakest top tens in any draft I have ever seen. The likes of Bruce Pickens, Mike Croel, Todd Lyght, Charles McRae, and Antone Davis-- average players at best and all but Lyght were outright busts. Eric Turner was a special safety and was taken #2 overall. Maryland, a Miami DT who was coached by Jimmy Johnson when he was the Canes' HC, was rated a top ten prospect but no one considered him to be worthy of being the top pick overall.

Dallas took him because they at least knew him. Herman Moore, the 10th pick, and Eric Turner were the only ones worthy of their draft status and even Turner at 2nd overall was pushing it. Dallas took Alvin Harper two picks after Moore (with another of their extra picks) and I always wondered what would have been had they been able to draft Moore, who was fantastic.
 
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