Overrated Cowboy Players

[NinePointOh]

Both the Commanders plays? Roy.

Wrong. It was Glenn, as both Roy and Parcells have stated.

 

[Connection20]

So the guy was directly responsible for a TD given up to a Pro Bowl TE and was involved in 2 others given up to a Pro Bowl WR...and now he is ridiculously overrated? Pray tell, what other huge mistakes did he make in the passing game last year? He missed a tackle against Tony Gonzalez. That's it. Four plays. Four plays that any person can point to throughout the course of an entire season, and now the guy is totally overrated. Get a clue. You sound like a complete ***.

You the one that sounds like a ***. He gave up 4 TDs...so those were the only mistakes he made all season huh? Watch some football, and you will see that you dont have to give up a TD to make a mistake. Hes always giving up big plays in the passing game.

Now lets go to those touchdowns he gave up to these Pro Bowl players...the Shockey TD...remember that one? The one where he completely freakin forgot to cover the guy? You know hes a Pro Bowl TE, I know hes a Pro Bowl TE, Im thinking Roy knows...so one would THINK he might want to cover the guy.

The two Moss TDs....it was freakin Cover 4, your only job is to play inside the WR and dont let him get deeper than you, on both plays he tried to hit the receiver instead of making a play on the ball (his biggest weakness) On one of those he could have easily picked it off, and the other he could have batted down.

Roy gives up catches alllllllllll game long so that he can get one or two knockout hits. Im as big a Cowboy fan as anyone on this board, I come here everyday refreshing a million times to get little Cowboy TC tidbits just like the rest of you. I just have the ability to look at my teams from a non-homer kind of way. Take Ohio State for example, I hate Troy Smith, I know hes hyped up to be the best thing since sliced bread, but he led the damn nation in fumbles last year, he turns over the ball by putting it on the ground like twice a freaking game. Take Texas for example, all I hear from Longhorn fans is we will be great this year, we have a strong running game and a good defense, we wont have to rely on our frosh QB. Oh REALLY.....tell me, how did that EXACT same plan work out last year for OU...oh, hey, how did it work out for Florida State?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

the Shockey TD...remember that one? The one where he completely freakin forgot to cover the guy?

you mean the one where Ware didn't get a bump on Shockey at the line, and where Roy was 10-15 yards away from him when he made the catch because of it?

Roy rated 97 as as safety, and AdamJt has an interesting stat-line of Roy's from '05, if that's overrated, then, idk, 100% of the safeties in this league suck

 

[stealth]

julius jones

 

[NinePointOh]

The two Moss TDs....it was freakin Cover 4, your only job is to play inside the WR and dont let him get deeper than you, on both plays he tried to hit the receiver instead of making a play on the ball (his biggest weakness) On one of those he could have easily picked it off, and the other he could have batted down.

Roy gives up catches alllllllllll game long so that he can get one or two knockout hits. Im as big a Cowboy fan as anyone on this board, I come here everyday refreshing a million times to get little Cowboy TC tidbits just like the rest of you.

Apparently, you completely missed the ten thousand tidbits about Bill Parcells stating flatly in his post-game press conference that both of the Moss TDs were Aaron Glenn's responsibility, not Roy's.

 

[kTXe]

You the one that sounds like a ***. He gave up 4 TDs...so those were the only mistakes he made all season huh? Watch some football, and you will see that you dont have to give up a TD to make a mistake. Hes always giving up big plays in the passing game.

Actually, the Gonzo play I referenced was not a TD. Plus, as stated many tiems before, Roy AT BEST could only share the blame for the Moss TDs. The only TD that was solely his fault was the Shockey play. Period.

Oh, and I know that you don't have to give up a TD to have it be a big play. Hence the reason I REFERECED ONE THAT WASN'T A TD. You can't provide any big plays that he gave up other than the ones that were beaten into the ground by the national media. Congrats, you're a moron.

Roy gives up catches alllllllllll game long so that he can get one or two knockout hits.

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. And I post at the Ranch all the time.

 

[YosemiteSam]

i think you have a good point jcblanco22, the most overrated thing in cowboys history was probably that "amazing" oline the cowboys had in the early 90s. I mean, how many of them will be hall of famers or even ring of honor inductees?!?!?!?! and LA was only there in 95, not b4. In the same note emmitt is underrated IMO because of the overrated line

Thats nuts. Emmitt did what he did because of the offensive line. It doesn't matter that Larry Allen wasn't there during the 91-94 season. In 1992 Dallas' offensive line helped Emmitt rush for 163 yards breaking the Eagles streak of 53 straight games without allowing a 100 yard rushing game. One year later, Emmitt had a career day with 237 yards against those very same Eagles. While Emmitt played a HUGE part in that, the offensive line was the key and without them, Emmitt wouldn't be the all-time rushing leader he is today.

I wonder if KC's fans give their line credit for Larry Johnson's season last year. Meaning Willy Roaf (11-time probowler) and Will Shields. (10-time pro bowler) On top of that Brian Waters was in the pro-bowl last season. KC had (4) pro bowlers last year that all helped the running game and Willie Roaf who is (now was) argueable the best offensive linemen in the league.

KC's pro bowl offensive line/running game blockers

1. Willie Roaf (11-time pro bowler)
2. Will Shields* (10-time pro bowler)
3. Tony Gonzales* (6-times pro bowler)
4. Tony Richards* (2-time pro bowler)
5. Brian Waters* (pro bowler)

* Pro Bowl last year

Larry Johnson had the best line in football and he made the best of it. Emmitt Smith had the best line in football and he also made the best of it. Emmitt knew it was his line was the reason for all of his success.

(this quote is dated a bit)

Dallas Cowboys running back and the NFL's second all-time leading rusher Emmitt Smith says the most special gift he gave was during Christmas of 1991 after he won his first NFL rushing title. He awarded all offensive linemen on his team Rolex watches as a Christmas thank-you gift.

If a team's offensive line sucks, it doesn't matter who is on your team (TO, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, etc) You're offensive is going to suck. As a fan of the Cowboys and watching the Cowboys flounder last year after Adams went down should have key you in on how important the offensive line actually is!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

The 90's line does get a lot of credit for Emmitt success, however none of the other backs did anything behind that same line. When Emmitt was out our running game was dead. I think highly of that Cowboys OL but Emmitt also made them look better than maybe they were.

 

[Connection20]

Actually, the Gonzo play I referenced was not a TD. Plus, as stated many tiems before, Roy AT BEST could only share the blame for the Moss TDs. The only TD that was solely his fault was the Shockey play. Period.

Oh, and I know that you don't have to give up a TD to have it be a big play. Hence the reason I REFERECED ONE THAT WASN'T A TD. You can't provide any big plays that he gave up other than the ones that were beaten into the ground by the national media. Congrats, you're a moron.

Thanks for making this a name calling contest, let me tell you how mature you are. Someone made a post about which cowboys are overrated, I posted my opinions on the topic based on what I hear from Cowboy fans I work and talk with everyday. (Im a bartender so I hear it all the time) They all think Roy is the best damn safety in the league when he clearly is not. Polamalu, Reed, Sanders are all easily better, and I would take Taylor and Dawkins over him personally. Now, it doesnt matter who I would choose over him, but regardless, the man IS OVERRATED by most Cowboy fans. That being said, you attacked me personally for stating my opinion about a football player....if you ask me thats a pretty moronic thing to do.

As for the Gonzo TD, I admit I had to work that day so I actually only saw bits and pieces of that game, thought it was a TD, thats fine.

The Skins game I still have on TiVo, and I still contend that had he just looked up and played the ball he could knocked away both of them, but he was busy trying to tackle Moss.

No, I cant point out specific instances because I get mad at him when he does it then I forget it cause the Cowboys are on, I have other things to watch. But all the time I see him laying into a WR who sometimes catches it and sometimes doesnt when he clearly could have just hit the ball, or picked it off.

Now, I love Roy Williams, I dont want anyone to think that I dont, he is however overrated by alot of Cowboys fans. Spags has even said on numerous occasions, no we dont need a better FS, we need Roy to learn how to cover better, how else will we be able to incorporate some Cover 2 in our scheme.


Again, thanks for stooping down to name calling, you showed your maturity with that, I wont be posting in this thread again.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Quincy, Hutchison, Henson .. no particular order.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Quincy, Hutchison, Henson .. no particular order.

Wow, touch crowed. Hard for me to imagine any of these guys being overated but I suppose it's possible.

 

[kTXe]

Thanks for making this a name calling contest, let me tell you how mature you are. Someone made a post about which cowboys are overrated, I posted my opinions on the topic based on what I hear from Cowboy fans I work and talk with everyday. (Im a bartender so I hear it all the time) They all think Roy is the best damn safety in the league when he clearly is not. Polamalu, Reed, Sanders are all easily better, and I would take Taylor and Dawkins over him personally. Now, it doesnt matter who I would choose over him, but regardless, the man IS OVERRATED by most Cowboy fans. That being said, you attacked me personally for stating my opinion about a football player....if you ask me thats a pretty moronic thing to do.

Sanders? Bob Sanders?!?! Okie doke!

Do I think Roy is the best safety in the league? No, but he is damn close. And you have WAAAAAAAY overblown his coverage deficiencies.

As for the Gonzo TD, I admit I had to work that day so I actually only saw bits and pieces of that game, thought it was a TD, thats fine.

You were factually incorrect. If you want to try to make a point, you should watch out for saying things that are easily proved as 100% false.

The Skins game I still have on TiVo, and I still contend that had he just looked up and played the ball he could knocked away both of them, but he was busy trying to tackle Moss.

Watch them again. Please. So, are you telling me that he was more concerned about tackling Moss on the first pass when Moss was already IN THE ENDZONE??? Hmmm...methinks not. In fact, he came incredibly close to knocking that ball away and did a damn fine job even getting himself in position to make a play.

The second one, Moss was well by him when he caught the ball. He wasn't in position to make a play on the ball or make a tackle. I really have no idea what you are watching, son.

No, I cant point out specific instances because I get mad at him when he does it then I forget it cause the Cowboys are on, I have other things to watch. But all the time I see him laying into a WR who sometimes catches it and sometimes doesnt when he clearly could have just hit the ball, or picked it off.

Ah, the nameless instances that occur "all the time". Gotta love them. Straight from Trolling 101.

Now, I love Roy Williams, I dont want anyone to think that I dont, he is however overrated by alot of Cowboys fans. Spags has even said on numerous occasions, no we dont need a better FS, we need Roy to learn how to cover better, how else will we be able to incorporate some Cover 2 in our scheme.

Using Spags to support your argument???

Again, thanks for stooping down to name calling, you showed your maturity with that, I wont be posting in this thread again.

If I call a donkey a donkey, should he be offended? Why is calling a moron a moron any different?

 

[Nerm]

I always think it is funny when people bring up the "Great OL" factor when discussing Emmitt. After Emmitt came in, the blocking schemes changed. Emmitt had the vision to be able to change running plays to the holes that were created naturally. There were a lot of running plays designed to capture that ability. Instead of having to move a DL player in a specific direction, the OL could decide if they would be able to move their assigned DL player left, right, or backwards after the snap. That is a huge advantage over having to create a hole in a specific area. Emmitt could simply pick the biggest hole, rather than have to go to a specific hole, because of his vision. I always hear people say “Anyone could have run through those big holes the OL created.” Sorry, the OL could not have created those holes for any RB.

On the flip side you see Barry Sanders. When a player just stands there after getting the ball, or runs backwards... how good does the OL look?

The 90s OL gets my vote as overrated. E. Williams and the early version of Larry Allen were great though. Most of the rest would not have sen pro bowls with a different RB.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

wow, that sounds like a pretty hidious class to have a number one overall pick, so who ended up being the best player from that draft?

I'd say it was Brett Favre. He was the 6th pick of the 2nd round. 33rd over all.

 

[ghost]

In 1991 Dallas traded one of their first round picks and their second round pick for New England's first pick overall with hopes of drafting Rocket Ismail. Rocket instead opted for a deal with the CFL and left the Cowboys high and dry with no one to pick. This was one of the weakest top tens in any draft I have ever seen. The likes of Bruce Pickens, Mike Croel, Todd Lyght, Charles McRae, and Antone Davis-- average players at best and all but Lyght were outright busts. Eric Turner was a special safety and was taken #2 overall. Maryland, a Miami DT who was coached by Jimmy Johnson when he was the Canes' HC, was rated a top ten prospect but no one considered him to be worthy of being the top pick overall.

Dallas took him because they at least knew him. Herman Moore, the 10th pick, and Eric Turner were the only ones worthy of their draft status and even Turner at 2nd overall was pushing it. Dallas took Alvin Harper two picks after Moore (with another of their extra picks) and I always wondered what would have been had they been able to draft Moore, who was fantastic.

Ahh, thanks for teh detailed explanation. I really appreciate it. That said, how did you guys potentially aquire Rocket Ismail?

 

[dozin_theknick]

This should rattle some cages.....Troy Aikman may be the most over rated Cowboy ever.

 

[RonBurgandy31]

This should rattle some cages.....Troy Aikman may be the most over rated Cowboy ever.

:laugh2: Yea ok.... he did only win 3 Super Bowls

 

[dozin_theknick]

He only threw like 160 TDs in his career. Road on the back of ES. By the way, I think Brady is even more over rated. I still think Aikman is HOF deserving, Cowboy fans are really just to generous.

 

[RonBurgandy31]

He only threw like 160 TDs in his career. Road on the back of ES. By the way, I think Brady is even more over rated. I still think Aikman is HOF deserving, Cowboy fans are really just to generous.

165 Tds Career, and it doesnt matter b.c he wins. 3 superbowls is 3 more then Dan Marino ever got, and he had 420

 

[dargonking999]

165 Tds Career, and it doesnt matter b.c he wins. 3 superbowls is 3 more then Dan Marino ever got, and he had 420

Remember dude, its not the amount of games you win, or even what you win, its how many yards and TD's can you go for, that makes you great.

Jeez am i just dealing with idiots around here