Packers player accused of sexual assaulting ; 1 big time packerplayer in trouble?

[Idgit]

I'm going to argue scummier than..

Rape is definitely NOT cool. Not at all. Very evil thing to do. But the torment and torture doesn't last long. As a heterosexual male, I'd rather be raped than imprisoned for 20 years for something I didn't do.

Not that I'd choose either, but if it's up to me I go with the former because it's over quicker.

My Gosh, what would be worse than not having access to CZ for 20 years?

I hope you get my drift and didn't take me the wrong way.

Yes, scummier than.

That's low.

I think we can all agree that both acts are heinous. You're underestimating the long-term consequences of being raped, and I also think there's the underlying predatory motivation of the rapist that presents a special ugliness to that crime. I'm sure you'll take some flak for your stance on rape, so I'm not going to belabor that.

Your actual point is a significant one: that it's easy to overlook the damaging consequences of false rape accusations. If the women are lying, then there should be a special place in Hell for them. That's an evil act in and of itself and not one that should be glossed over if the rape allegations prove unfounded.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Are you saying the consequences of being falsely imprisoned for 20 years is over the second they open the prison door to let you free?

At that point, you've lost your whole life and reputation. I'd say it's a good possibility that it could haunt you for.... well, the rest of your life.

Wouldn't you?

I'm saying there is no comparison really.

I feel for anyone whose been falsely imprisoned or accused, but no way do I put rape on the same level.

I do think women who falsely accuse should be prosecuted more significantly than they are, but rape is an ugly, ugly thing and just can't be compared.

 

[speedkilz88]

Which part, specifically, did I take out of context?

You made a lot of assumptions out his hoping that it was not rape. Of course he didn't want anyone to go to prison for a false accusation, but you acted as if that's what he was saying. It's just a fact of life that men have to be careful in sexual situations because they can be accused of rape and in most cases its always going to be a he said, she said case.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I think we can all agree that both acts are heinous. You're underestimating the long-term consequences of being raped, and I also think there's the underlying predatory motivation of the rapist that presents a special ugliness to that crime. I'm sure you'll take some flak for your stance on rape, so I'm not going to belabor that.

Your actual point is a significant one: that it's easy to overlook the damaging consequences of false rape accusations. If the women are lying, then there should be a special place in Hell for them. That's an evil act in and of itself and not one that should be glossed over if the rape allegations prove unfounded.

Eh, I understand both sides and I'm really not underestimating the long-term consequences of rape. I'm fully aware of the psychological torment it can cause.

Where did I say that wasn't the case?

I'm simply saying that, even as a heterosexual male, I'd rather suffer rape than imprisonment for something I didn't do. I stand by that.

Say what you will. I don't think some are getting the point I'm actually trying to make because they're too busy arguing against rapists, which I fully understand. I'm just pointing out the sort of false dichotomy associated with social stigmas and the ugliness of which you speak about. Which is warranted to some extent.

I'm just saying that women who falsely accuse, as you pointed out earlier, diminish the cause for women who are actually raped.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm saying there is no comparison really.

I feel for anyone whose been falsely imprisoned or accused, but no way do I put rape on the same level.

I do think women who falsely accuse should be prosecuted more significantly than they are, but rape is an ugly, ugly thing and just can't be compared.

You know. I've heard a DA say that it's policy they never go after women they think are falsely accusing others. They're "victims", regardless of if they're believable or not.

That's not justice at all, imo.

I wish I'd had a tape recorder that day.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I'm saying there is no comparison really.

I feel for anyone whose been falsely imprisoned or accused, but no way do I put rape on the same level.

I do think women who falsely accuse should be prosecuted more significantly than they are, but rape is an ugly, ugly thing and just can't be compared.

Speaking as someone who has never been raped or falsely imprisoned for 20 years, deciding which is more heinous is quite difficult.

I know a woman who was raped by her father. It's unquestionable that the trauma and psychological scarring of that event haunt her to this day and likely will for the rest for her life.

However, ten years after the fact, she has a husband, children, and a productive, fulfilling life -- things that a person who has been falsely imprisoned for 20 years cannot claim.

I'm not saying you're wrong or denying the validity of your point. I'm just providing a different perspective.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Speaking as someone who has never been raped or falsely imprisoned for 20 years, the decision of which is more heinous is difficult.

I know a woman who was raped by her father. It's unquestionable that the trauma and psychological scarring of that event haunt her to this day and likely will for the rest for her life.

However, ten years after the fact, she has a husband, children, and a productive, fulfilling life -- things that a person who has been falsely imprisoned for 20 years cannot claim.

I'm not saying you're wrong or denying the validity of the point. And I'm just providing a different perspective.

Emotional scars never really go away, but yes you can have a productive life with the proper therapy and care.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Speaking as someone who has never been raped or falsely imprisoned for 20 years, deciding which is more heinous is quite difficult.

I know a woman who was raped by her father. It's unquestionable that the trauma and psychological scarring of that event haunt her to this day and likely will for the rest for her life.

However, ten years after the fact, she has a husband, children, and a productive, fulfilling life -- things that a person who has been falsely imprisoned for 20 years cannot claim.

I'm not saying you're wrong or denying the validity of your point. I'm just providing a different perspective.

My psychology professor once said, "I know some of you won't like me saying this, but some [vitims] are more resilient than others." He was talking about the long-term effects of being a victim of rape, speaking from personal experience of counseling victims.

It ruined the class because he had some informative things to say, but people let their emotions get the best of them and then the outbursts began.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Just asked the wife, and she said she'd rather be falsely imprisoned for 20 years.

Perhaps different genders view the issue differently.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just asked the wife, and she said she'd rather be falsely imprisoned for 20 years.

Perhaps different genders view the issue differently.

You don't have to ask a chick to determine that. Sometimes chicks who are raped constantly ask why them?. Or feel that they may had some part to play in their victimization. While a falsely imprisoned person would know they are falsely imprisoned and would just be mad more than anything else.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Just asked the wife, and she said she'd rather be falsely imprisoned for 20 years.

Perhaps different genders view the issue differently.

For some reason, I doubt that would be the case after she'd been imprisoned for a few months/weeks. I'd say that answer would be subject to change.

I could be wrong. Like you said, we can't know for someone else. But I do think 20 years would seem like a lifetime of torment, living every single day with the loss of freedom to live life. Then, you get out and you're labeled a "rapist" for the rest of your life.

Unless the wife has experienced prison as well, it'd be hard to say (I think).

But I really sympathize for someone who has gone through what she has. That's another journey all by itself. Something I'd wish on no one--not even my worst enemy.

 

[chuffly]

When you consider the rape vs. 20 years of false imprisonment issue, don't you have to consider the decent amount of rape that goes on in prison? Not to mention the shankings, racial violence, and a whole lot of other fun things that go on that the public's eyes are shielded from.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

When you consider the rape vs. 20 years of false imprisonment issue, don't you have to consider the decent amount of rape that goes on in prison? Not to mention the shankings, racial violence, and a whole lot of other fun things that go on that the public's eyes are shielded from.

The public's eyes aren't shielded; the public doesn't care.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

For some reason, I doubt that would be the case after she'd been imprisoned for a few months/weeks. I'd say that answer would be subject to change.

I could be wrong. Like you said, we can't know for someone else. But I do think 20 years would seem like a lifetime of torment, living every single day with the loss of freedom to live life. Then, you get out and you're labeled a "rapist" for the rest of your life.

Unless the wife has experienced prison as well, it'd be hard to say (I think).

But I really sympathize for someone who has gone through what she has. That's another journey all by itself. Something I'd wish on no one--not even my worst enemy.

Just so there's no confusion, my wife is NOT the same woman I mentioned earlier. My father-in-law is a very decent man.

Although I might seek the other woman's opinion on this issue...

 

[paladin]

But the torment and torture doesn't last long.
....
I hope you get my drift and didn't take me the wrong way.

Wow, I'll just assume you got caught up in trying to make a point and weren't really paying attention to the actual words you were typing. (it happens to me frequently) If you actually were focusing on your words then i'd advise attending more psychology classes

 

[Manwiththeplan]

These guys should just video everything they do. Not for public viewing, but as an added layer of protection when stuff like this goes down.

Something seems a little BS about this story to me.

honestly, i would.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Wow, I'll just assume you got caught up in trying to make a point and weren't really paying attention to the actual words you were typing. (it happens to me frequently) If you actually were focusing on your words then i'd advise attending more psychology classes

I think you're interpreting what I'm saying so that the context suits a point you'd like to make.

I was merely saying that rape probably lasts an hour on average. But imprisonment for 20 years, every minute, every second of every hour of every day.......

Now I hope I've simplified it enough for you to understand the simple point I was trying to make.

I'm a very simpleminded person, really.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I think you're interpreting what I'm saying so that the context suits a point you'd like to make.

I was merely saying that rape probably lasts an hour on average. But imprisonment for 20 years, every minute, every second of every hour of every day.......

Now I hope I've simplified it enough for you to understand the simple point I was trying to make.

I'm a very simpleminded person, really.

I think that what is lost in this argument is the high probability that you would actually get raped in prison as well as serving the twenty years.

 

[paladin]

I think you're interpreting what I'm saying so that the context suits a point you'd like to make.

I was merely saying that rape probably lasts an hour on average. But imprisonment for 20 years, every minute, every second of every hour of every day.......

Now I hope I've simplified it enough for you to understand the simple point I was trying to make.

I'm a very simpleminded person, really.

My only point was that your cavalier attitude about a terrible crime is offensive. I see no purpose in comparing a brutal crime to a miscarriage of justice.
If you perceive yourself as a very simpleminded person, who am I to argue?

 

[Cythim]

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