Pacman suspended for 2007; Henry suspended 8 games

[Bob Sacamano]

I've never seen Fuzzy this understated.

:laugh2: talk about being off the mark

 

[theogt]

Well they haven't been afforded due process yet. At least Pacman hasn't. He wasn't wrong stating that. And I'm sure if his lawyers go after the NFL and the Commish to get the suspension reduced, they will argue that.

By whom? The NFL? The NFL doesn't have to afford them due process. Are you saying that they will argue that the league shouldn't suspend players until the courts have handled a matter?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

By whom? The NFL? The NFL doesn't have to afford them due process. Are you saying that they will argue that the league shouldn't suspend players until the courts have handled a matter?

that's exactly what he's saying

 

[the kid 05]

If the glove dont fit, you must acquit
​

 

[theogt]

that's exactly what he's saying

Why should they wait? They're not legally required to wait. They don't have to afford Pacman due process.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've never seen Fuzzy this understated.

hey i did. why did everyone freak out because i got a writ to appear before a judge mixed up with due process?

Personally I think Goodell bungled this pretty bad. Strong leaders act because they choose to and his hand was obviously forced here.

IMO the samrt thing would have been to institute his conduct policy and wait for due process to take its course. At that point he looks in control. From what it seems to me hes just reacting to the media.

And if Jones is cleared of all charges then the NFL is going to have problems.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why should they wait? They're not legally required to wait. They don't have to afford Pacman due process.

I don't agree w/ that line of thinking either, but this whole argument is based around PacMan's lawyers most-likely going to use that line of thinking as the crux of their argument against the NFL

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why should they wait? They're not legally required to wait. They don't have to afford Pacman due process.

But if the court clears him of any wrongdoing then hes opening himself up to some serious civil action. Sure they can act if they want but they are taking a risk.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But if the court clears him of any wrongdoing then hes opening himself up to some serious civil action. Sure they can act if they want but they are taking a risk.

don't you think that this is a risk worth taking?

can't do the time, don't do the crime

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't agree w/ that line of thinking either, but this whole argument is based around PacMan's lawyers most-likely going to use that line of thinking as the crux of their argument against the NFL

Yeah and the argument is extremely straightforward and compelling.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah and the argument is extremely straightforward and compelling.

it is, but oh well, it's not my or my Cowboy's problem

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

don't you think that this is a risk worth taking?

can't do the time, don't do the crime

for what? so you can get ESPN to quit talking about it? thats all hes doing. Last time i checked, in this coutry you were innocent until proven guilty. Its pretty obvious the league has found him guilty.

And I guarantee you if this goes before a judge seeing how due process is exactly what they do, that judge will agree.

Historically the NFL has waited for due process hes just bowing to ESPN.

 

[theogt]

But if the court clears him of any wrongdoing then hes opening himself up to some serious civil action. Sure they can act if they want but they are taking a risk.

He doesn't have to be convicted, or even charged, for them to suspend him. They can suspend him for simply being at a strip club. If Tony Romo goes to a strip club, and some commotion starts because he's a celebrity, and the cops show up, he could potentially be suspended or at least fined. I think it's kinda silly, but legally speaking, they can do it.

 

[peplaw06]

Why should they wait? They're not legally required to wait. They don't have to afford Pacman due process.

We know they don't have to...

Think about it like this. You're Pacman's lawyer, and you need some argument to take to the NFL for a reason NOT to suspend him for a year. Don't you think the fact that the guy hasn't been convicted of anything yet is a compelling argument for the Commish to reduce the suspension, or at least postpone enforcement of it until there is a conviction?

Sounds like a pretty good argument to me. I know you're probably not going to be a defense attorney, but you have to come up with something. I haven't come up with a better argument yet.... mind you I don't know what their contracts say, but still.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

for what? so you can get ESPN to quit talking about it? thats all hes doing.

he's actually trying to clear up the NFL's image, and it's only a matter of time before Congress starts cracking down like they did in the Steroid case

Last time i checked, in this coutry you were innocent until proven guilty. Its pretty obvious the league has found him guilty.

if you look at the evidence, both PacMan and Henry are guilty, you'll be waiting forever to see these guys proved innocent

And I guarantee you if this goes before a judge seeing how due process is exactly what they do, that judge will agree.

is this before or after the judge finds them guilty, or they plead no contest?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He doesn't have to be convicted, or even charged, for them to suspend him. They can suspend him for simply being at a strip club. If Tony Romo goes to a strip club, and some commotion starts because he's a celebrity, and the cops show up. He could potentially be suspended or at least fined. I think it's kinda silly, but legally speaking, they can do it.

yeah and then all Jones attorneys have to do is demonstrate that other players had been in similar circumstances and a lesser or no action took place. Then the NFL loses.


historically, the NFL has waited for due proccess and imposed lesser penalties. they just today or yesterday changed the conduct policy. There are employment discrimination and equal protection laws. This is going to court and to be honest i dont see the NFL winning.

 

[theogt]

We know they don't have to...

Think about it like this. You're Pacman's lawyer, and you need some argument to take to the NFL for a reason NOT to suspend him for a year. Don't you think the fact that the guy hasn't been convicted of anything yet is a compelling argument for the Commish to reduce the suspension, or at least postpone enforcement of it until there is a conviction?

Sounds like a pretty good argument to me. I know you're probably not going to be a defense attorney, but you have to come up with something. I haven't come up with a better argument yet.... mind you I don't know what their contracts say, but still.

I wouldn't make the argument. I'd simply tell my client it's in his best interests to not ruffle any feathers and to mind his Ps and Qs until his 10 week suspension is up. Then maybe they'll allow him to earn a paycheck for 6 weeks.

They've pretty much got his yahoos in a vice here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

he's actually trying to clear up the NFL's image, and it's only a matter of time before Congress starts cracking down like they did in the Steroid case



if you look at the evidence, both PacMan and Henry are guilty, you'll be waiting forever to see these guys proved innocent



is this before or after the judge finds them guilty, or they plead no contest?

well considering no judgement has been made nor a plea even entered in the Jones case i think you know the answer. The NFL ahs made its bed alreasy.

 

[theogt]

yeah and then all Jones attorneys have to do is demonstrate that other players had been in similar circumstances and a lesser or no action took place. Then the NFL loses.


historically, the NFL has waited for due proccess and imposed lesser penalties. they just today or yesterday changed the conduct policy. There are employment discrimination and equal protection laws. This is going to court and to be honest i dont see the NFL winning.

Based on what? The "NFL can't punish players differently" law recently passed in Congress?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

well considering no judgement has been made nor a plea even entered in the Jones case i think you know the answer. The NFL ahs made its bed alreasy.

they're guilty, it's as clear as day

PacMan and Henry are the ones who made their beds