Pacman's Argument on Appeal

[5Stars]

No, i said many times i dont condone dog fighting. Whether it's legal or not i dont condone it.

And you don't have to know what it means. You haven't been here long enough to know.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=35

And you should be smarter than to make a comment like this.

Care to splain wut you meant by this?

 

[Avery]

How many of the other people in the league are repeat offenders like Pacman, though?

Usually when a rat gets electrified trying to bite the cheese, they learn.

 

[burmafrd]

The people whinning about this are those that think that no one is really responsible for their own actions. Its always someone elses fault.
Nobody ELSE in the WHOLE NFL has been in trouble as many times as Pacman has been. Its NOT EVEN CLOSE. Yet certain posters here DON'T want to admit that. He is responsible for becoming the poster boy for being stupid and now he is paying the price. Goodall can do whatever he wants to because that is the way it is. Its time for a hanging judge and it looks like we got one.

 

[dargonking999]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=35

And you should be smarter than to make a comment like this.

Care to splain wut you meant by this?

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I dont know what i meant by that, cause i didn't write it

 

[5Stars]

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I dont know what i meant by that, cause i didn't write it

Yeah, you wrote it....
Come on, dude...I know you are smarter and better than that!



We pay to see grown men fight

but paying to see two dog's fight is wrong?

I seriously don't get that. We'll kill cows, dogs, birds, and pigs, to make food. We'll beat the crap out of each other for money. but you do it with dogs, and its a felony crime. and it's a big issue? i mean come on. Some of ya'll acting like some tree huggers
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[dargonking999]

Yeah, you wrote it....
Come on, dude...I know you are smarter and better than that!



We pay to see grown men fight

but paying to see two dog's fight is wrong?

I seriously don't get that. We'll kill cows, dogs, birds, and pigs, to make food. We'll beat the crap out of each other for money. but you do it with dogs, and its a felony crime. and it's a big issue? i mean come on. Some of ya'll acting like some tree huggers
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I was making a point. I came back again and again, and said i don't condone dog fighting. Try as you might your point lies in failure. I've said it many times i dont condone dog fighting. I'm saying it now, i said it before, and i'll say it in the future. You can say whatever you want. but you were wrong, and sometimes it's best to let the matter die, instead of continually attempt to prove someone wrong.

 

[5Stars]

I was making a point.

OK...my friend. Please...explain what point you are trying to make?

I get that you don't condone that activity, however, when I read these words...what the hell am I supposed to think about you now?

Fill me in...maybe I'm the stupid one here!

 

[dargonking999]

OK...my friend. Please...explain what point you are trying to make?

I get that you don't condone that activity, however, when I read these words...what the hell am I supposed to think about you now?

Fill me in...maybe I'm the stupid one here!

You are

continue to read the thread and you'll see.

 

[5Stars]

You are

continue to read the thread and you'll see.

I read the whole thing...I'm not going back again to see...I read what I saw!

I know you are not stupid...I know that you know what is going on...I know that you are getting smarter and smarter by the day...

And that, my friend...is good enough for you and me...

Life is cool...you can learn if you want too! I know that I try and learn something everyday...

And today, I learned that 5Stars is an arsehole! :laugh2:

But, my dogs are my best friends....

Now, get off the freaking board and go study!

 

[dargonking999]

School ended on May 9, studying would be pointless

 

[5Stars]

School ended on May 9, studying would be pointless

How did you do?

Don't lie now! What is your GPA?


:laugh2:


Don't lie, fool! You will only be lying to yourself!


I would say that you have a 2.4...


:laugh2:

 

[theogt]

The thing is, Theogt, is he doesn't have to establish any guidelines as to what to expect. From reading the policy, it's all at the discretion of the Commish. They've got a basic fine and discipline schedule in place, but it still comes at the discretion of the Commish.

And it was done with the blessing of the NFLPA. Their bad.

The only way it can be changed is thru more negotiating of the CBA.

I know he isn't required to legally. But he should. Like I said, this isn't a legal defense or argument, it's just a public opinion appeal. It's not that it even has to sway public opinion, but if the lawyers can make a sound argument in this context it won't look good for the Commish.

There is no double standard. In those 283 inceidents, how many ended up in the newspaper. How many ended up on the News? Bottom line, they may use that as "Official reasons" but that doesn't mean that there were'nt other factors that were involved in this descion.

To even think that those 4 things, are the only reasons why he has a 1 year suspension is pure stupidty.

You can call it what you want. But if pacman acted like a man, not like some wanna be thug life punk, then this situation would not have even begun. This whole conduct policy started because of him, and he is reaping the punishment, and its about damn time.

That's hilarious. There's no double standard, but there are varying standards depending up whether an incident ends up in the newspaper or on the news. Gotcha.

How many of the other people in the league are repeat offenders like Pacman, though?

Usually when a rat gets electrified trying to bite the cheese, they learn.

Not quite sure if there are many multiple offenders listed. Remember that 2 of Pacman's reasons are for lack of reporting and none of these show whether they were reported in a timely manner. So for every listed charge or arrest, there could be a corresponding suspendable event for failure to report.

Say a single indivual with a single charge failed to report that single charge -- that's another suspendable events. That would mean 2 events gets you zero suspension, but 4 events gets you a full year's suspension? Where's the line drawn? Is it with intense media scrutiny?

Again, Goodell isn't necessarily legally required to establishish clear guidelines, but public opinion won't clearly be in his pocket on this issue. Eroding public opinion would result in eroding opinion within the league and eventually some resistance to this willy nilly policy of Goodell having God-like power to suspend whoever for whatever he wants.

 

[big dog cowboy]

In summary, the argument addressed in the letter is that Pacman's suspension is unprecedented.

Welcome to the new NFL.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Surprisingly, I don't think Goodell put a whole lot of thought into this whole process.

I'm betting your wrong. He probably put more work into this than anyone can imagine. You really think he went into this blindly leaving himself and the league vulnerable or open to question or even possible lawsuit?

 

[theogt]

I'm betting your wrong. He probably put more work into this than anyone can imagine. You really think he went into this blindly leaving himself and the league vulnerable or open to question or even possible lawsuit?

I think he realizes the league isn't open to a credible lawsuit, because it simply isn't. I think he rashly assumed that his "whatever I say goes" policy that invariably results in double standards would be more beneficial and publicly accepted than some other more definite policy. That was foolish on his part.

 

[Hoofbite]

Those other 283 incidents are irrelevant. Just a big fat waste of time. Goodell wasn't responsible for disciplining those other guys so it doesn't matter what happened to them.

Its up to the discretion of the man making the call.

Its pointless and its weak. The NFL is just going to flip it and say that its just a big example as to why the status quo doesn't work. It actually makes it incredibly easy for the NFL to create a NEED for a new standard because the old one clearly didn't deter the player from getting into of trouble.

 

[theogt]

Those other 283 incidents are irrelevant. Just a big fat waste of time. Goodell wasn't responsible for disciplining those other guys so it doesn't matter what happened to them.

Its up to the discretion of the man making the call.

Its pointless and its weak. The NFL is just going to flip it and say that its just a big example as to why the status quo doesn't work. It actually makes it incredibly easy for the NFL to create a NEED for a new standard because the old one clearly didn't deter the player from staying out of trouble.

The events Pacman was suspended for took place during the same time as those other 283 incidents -- i.e., before Goodell and his new policy came into place. It's fine that you think Pacman should be held to a different standard, but I'd just like to know why.

 

[03EBZ06]

I think he rashly assumed that his "whatever I say goes" policy that invariably results in double standards would be more beneficial and publicly accepted than some other more definite policy. That was foolish on his part.

I think you are wrong and is assuming. Goddell had to have a plan that was acceptable for NFLPA and we all know NFLPA is all about protecting players, which means, it wasn't in haste nor poorly planned.

 

[Hoofbite]

The events Pacman was suspended for took place during the same time as those other 283 incidents -- i.e., before Goodell and his new policy came into place. It's fine that you think Pacman should be held to a different standard, but I'd just like to know why.

Please. Im not holding him to a different standard at all. If anything, his celebrity status has saved him from being held to the same standard as everyone else in the United States. If any else would have had like 10 run-ins with the cops and had been charged with doing all that he has, they would be serving time as we speak.

How can you even say hes being held to a different standard to begin with? There isn't a standard for players who get into trouble on a monthly basis. If Pacman is being held to a different standard, it has nothing to do with the NFL at all but has everything to do with him setting that standard by being a repeat trouble-maker.

Heres what I would like to know. What do you have so invested into the matter to actually stick up for someone who is a complete dousche-bag like Pacman is.

And technically, one of his incidencts that is in the original post took place after Commisser Tags retired. But yes, he was in troubler prior to Goodell's new policy but at the most you can says hes a victim of poor timing.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Nail on the head. "Unfair treatment" isn't a legal defense. They're just trying to show how big of a double standard exists. It seems obvious to me (and you as well) that one exists.

Surprisingly, I don't think Goodell put a whole lot of thought into this whole process.

I don't blame Goodell; you are absoultely right about Goodell not necessarily putting a whole lot of thought into the process, but I think Goodell wanted to try and put a stop to all this nonsense; Tagliabue never had to deal with the volume of player-related incidents such as this, and Goodell has just had this sprung on him out of left field... I was hoping that the players would realize that they have to keep their noses clean, but I guess that is not happening.