Parcells Career Arc Article

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Interesting Read regarding his different stops

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9183307/bill-parcells-career-arc/?ex_cid=facebook

Team IV: The Cowboys

I'm a Cowboys fan, and Parcells came onto my radar on September 15, 2003. He almost didn't make it. The year before, Parcells had nearly taken the Tampa job again. "This was the last job I will ever consider," he told Peter King after he turned it down. Twelve months later, Parcells was sitting next to Jones, vowing they could work together.
The idea of Parcells returning to Giants Stadium on Monday Night Football was too good to pass up, so my friend Matt and I bought our way into the game. Just as we got to our seats, Quincy Carter threw a pick-six. It seemed like it was going to be that kind of night. When the Giants kicked a field goal to go up 32-29 with 11 seconds left, Matt and I left. I'm not sure why. Maybe we didn't appreciate how a team with Parcells as its lama could perform miracles. We got to the parking lot and noticed other fans had gathered around portable TVs. The Giants' kickoff had gone out of bounds. Carter completed a pass — a miracle in itself — to Antonio Bryant. Billy Cundiff kicked a field goal and sent the game into OT.

Let me give you the starting offense Parcells put on the field that year:
QB: Quincy Carter
RB: Troy Hambrick
FB: Richie Anderson
WR: Terry Glenn
WR: Joey Galloway
TE: Dan Campbell
LT: Flozell Adams
LG: Larry Allen
C: Matt Lehr
RG: Andre Gurode
RT: Ryan Young
That team went 10-6 and made the playoffs.
 

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I read this and came away with thinking Bill Parcells is an egotistical maniac and a cynical human being.
 

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Carter completed a passa miracle in itself — to Antonio Bryant. Billy Cundiff kicked a field goal and sent the game into OT.

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Hoofbite;5050841 said:

Still miffed on how we draft a QB in the 2nd round that couldn't throw a spiral. Ever.
 

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HoustonFrog;5050844 said:
I have always thought that at times but then you see pieces like this 30 for 30 short and you realize that guys like him have a lot of heart and its why ex-players talked about how they loved playing for him. Made my allergies act up..:)


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...t-30-30-documentary-series?ex_cid=grantland33

Every coach has his supporters. No doubt, he is a great coach, but he probably could have been greater if he wasn't such a jerk. Also, you can't blame your cynicism on one moment in life, when somebody tried to "back-stab" you. It was clear Parcells wasn't doing that well his first season as an NFL coach, so it isn't like Parcells can justify his attitude because of that.

He just seems like an unhappy person. But that is my impression.
 

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khiladi;5051244 said:
Every coach has his supporters. No doubt, he is a great coach, but he probably could have been greater if he wasn't such a jerk. Also, you can't blame your cynicism on one moment in life, when somebody tried to "back-stab" you. It was clear Parcells wasn't doing that well his first season as an NFL coach, so it isn't like Parcells can justify his attitude because of that.

He just seems like an unhappy person. But that is my impression.

no, that is what you WANT to believe.

When you consider how few of his former players are ever heard critcizing him then maybe you ought to think about that.
 

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burmafrd;5051507 said:
I think 2003 might have been the best coaching year of BP's career when you think of what he had to work with not only on O but on D as well. Just how many of those that started that year were even IN the NFL 3 years later; let alone starting for anyone.

It also makes you realize how much he changed the culture for a few years no matter who you give the credit to for the sudden talent influx. Because, like you said, they weren't talented that first season. I mean look at the O lineup.
 

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burmafrd;5051507 said:
I think 2003 might have been the best coaching year of BP's career when you think of what he had to work with not only on O but on D as well. Just how many of those that started that year were even IN the NFL 3 years later; let alone starting for anyone.

HoustonFrog;5051542 said:
It also makes you realize how much he changed the culture for a few years no matter who you give the credit to for the sudden talent influx. Because, like you said, they weren't talented that first season. I mean look at the O lineup.

I agree about the job Parcels did, but that defense was first in the league in yardage and 2nd in points that season, wasn't it? That was the year he kept Zimmer's 4-3 in place and they played well enough to get Carter and Hambrick and the rest of that goof-troup into the playoffs.

It kind of underscores how much a good defense can help cover up problems for a QB. If you don't turn it over, and you don't let them score, it's hard for them to win.
 

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Idgit;5051639 said:
I agree about the job Parcels did, but that defense was first in the league in yardage and 2nd in points that season, wasn't it? That was the year he kept Zimmer's 4-3 in place and they played well enough to get Carter and Hambrick and the rest of that goof-troup into the playoffs.

It kind of underscores how much a good defense can help cover up problems for a QB. If you don't turn it over, and you don't let them score, it's hard for them to win.

That D was nowhere near as good as the stats made it look like. When it went up against a good O it usually got owned. That year the schedule had few really good O's. Carolina and the Pats were about the best we ran into and they scored well on us.
 

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Idgit;5051639 said:
I agree about the job Parcels did, but that defense was first in the league in yardage and 2nd in points that season, wasn't it? That was the year he kept Zimmer's 4-3 in place and they played well enough to get Carter and Hambrick and the rest of that goof-troup into the playoffs.

It kind of underscores how much a good defense can help cover up problems for a QB. If you don't turn it over, and you don't let them score, it's hard for them to win.

People forget that we kept that 4-3 defense in 2004 and just how awful that 4-3 defense was in '04. It was just about as bad as the '10 defense. Zimmer somehow gets excused for '04 and our collapse in '06.

That was really the tale of Zimmer in Dallas...get off to a good start and then fizzle badly in the second half.

Part of the success of the '03 team is that change in itself is often very good for a team in the NFL. New coaches, new players, new schemes...opposing teams don't know how to quite prepare for it.

The pass protection in '03 improved dramatically. In the past, teams like the Eagles would simply blitz us to death and dominate the game. I remember the first game versus the Eagles at Texas Stadium the Eagles sent a blitz on our first play on offense and Hambrick just obliterated the blitzer. In the past Hambrick was a terrible blitz pickup back. While he stunk as a tailback, he becamse a great blitz pick up back under Parcells.

And when you take away something from an opponent that they thought they could pull on you...it throws a major monkey wrench into their plans.

The big thing on defense for the '03 team is that we were much more disciplined. But, we had more talent on that side of the ball. And Dat Nguyen played phenomenally well that year. With Newman on the other side and the league allowing for grabbing we had Mario Edwards who was effective.

We also had two really great safeties.

Woodson was underrated in coverage because he didn't make a lot of picks. But, he was a great pass defender and knew where to lineup Roy. Roy had his 'football pride' back then and the league had not switched over to the athletic, pass receiving TE's that could beat Cover 2 defenses at that point. We also had Aaron Glenn, who could still play at that point, as the nickel corner. That allowed us to have a better coverage package on passing downs instead of having Woody switch to the nickel corner like he did under Campo.

I have no major problem with Parcells. My only minor issue with him is that he could have just said that 'yes, we discussed bringing T.O. here and we wanted him on the team and I wanted him on the team.'

I doubt the media would have stopped because they really hated T.O. *when* he signed with Dallas (hypocrites). But, I think it would have eased up a bit and not been such a circus.

Even after reading that article, which had a few big inaccuracies (IMO), I still like the guy and was glad he was the coach here. I think we often see people that are great at something and that are well respected and for whatever reason...we cannot reconcile with the fact that like every human they are flawed when those flaws are exposed.







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Yakuza Rich;5051894 said:
People forget that we kept that 4-3 defense in 2004 and just how awful that 4-3 defense was in '04. It was just about as bad as the '10 defense. Zimmer somehow gets excused for '04 and our collapse in '06.

That was really the tale of Zimmer in Dallas...get off to a good start and then fizzle badly in the second half.

Part of the success of the '03 team is that change in itself is often very good for a team in the NFL. New coaches, new players, new schemes...opposing teams don't know how to quite prepare for it.

The pass protection in '03 improved dramatically. In the past, teams like the Eagles would simply blitz us to death and dominate the game. I remember the first game versus the Eagles at Texas Stadium the Eagles sent a blitz on our first play on offense and Hambrick just obliterated the blitzer. In the past Hambrick was a terrible blitz pickup back. While he stunk as a tailback, he becamse a great blitz pick up back under Parcells.

And when you take away something from an opponent that they thought they could pull on you...it throws a major monkey wrench into their plans.

The big thing on defense for the '03 team is that we were much more disciplined. But, we had more talent on that side of the ball. And Dat Nguyen played phenomenally well that year. With Newman on the other side and the league allowing for grabbing we had Mario Edwards who was effective.

We also had two really great safeties.

Woodson was underrated in coverage because he didn't make a lot of picks. But, he was a great pass defender and knew where to lineup Roy. Roy had his 'football pride' back then and the league had not switched over to the athletic, pass receiving TE's that could beat Cover 2 defenses at that point. We also had Aaron Glenn, who could still play at that point, as the nickel corner. That allowed us to have a better coverage package on passing downs instead of having Woody switch to the nickel corner like he did under Campo.

I have no major problem with Parcells. My only minor issue with him is that he could have just said that 'yes, we discussed bringing T.O. here and we wanted him on the team and I wanted him on the team.'

I doubt the media would have stopped because they really hated T.O. *when* he signed with Dallas (hypocrites). But, I think it would have eased up a bit and not been such a circus.

Even after reading that article, which had a few big inaccuracies (IMO), I still like the guy and was glad he was the coach here. I think we often see people that are great at something and that are well respected and for whatever reason...we cannot reconcile with the fact that like every human they are flawed when those flaws are exposed.







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Mario Edwards. There was a guy had his career destroyed by the refs.
Other CBs did exactly the same as he did and were pretty much allowed to get away with it. Not him. He got marked and he was gone pretty soon.

There were several guys on that team that basically had a career year THAT year with us and then were gone soon after.
 

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Bill Parcells career playoff victories without Bill Belichick on his staff: 0 (in 7 years as a head coach)
 

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The 03 team made up for a lot of holes on offense by having a decent play action game and max protection scheme.
 

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Rogah;5052500 said:
Bill Parcells career playoff victories without Bill Belichick on his staff: 0 (in 7 years as a head coach)

On his staff? That's a hell of a qualifier.

Basically implying that Bill's presence alone (even as a secondary coach in 1996) is worth playoff wins that wouldn't have been realized without him......yet somehow his presence as the HC didn't translate to playoff wins in 1995 for the Browns.
 

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burmafrd;5051798 said:
That D was nowhere near as good as the stats made it look like. When it went up against a good O it usually got owned. That year the schedule had few really good O's. Carolina and the Pats were about the best we ran into and they scored well on us.

It might have been overrated, but if you're number 2 in points against, that's going to go a long way to getting you to 10-6.

Obviously, that team wasn't good enough to beat teams that were good on both sides of the ball.
 

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Hoofbite;5052665 said:
On his staff? That's a hell of a qualifier.
Not to informed football fans who know exactly what I'm talking about.
Hoofbite;5052665 said:
Basically implying that Bill's presence alone (even as a secondary coach in 1996)
He was officially the assistant head coach and unofficially the defensive coordinator.
Hoofbite;5052665 said:
is worth playoff wins that wouldn't have been realized without him......yet somehow his presence as the HC didn't translate to playoff wins in 1995 for the Browns.
Actually the Browns did win a playoff game in January, 1995, under Bill Belichick. Who'd they beat? Bill Parcells' New England Patriots.

The simple, undeniable fact of the matter is that in 7 years of being a head coach without Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells has never won a single playoff game.
 
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