Parcells tells assistants he needs more time

[Oh_Canada]

No argument....but what exactly is the point?

There are plenty of coaches not worth what they are getting paid.

No there are not . When this happens they get fired and if they can find a new job at the same salary or better obviously they are worth it to whomever pays it. Worth is defined by who is willing to pay what. Nick Saban didnt win much at Miami but was worth Alabama paying 32 million for. If an owner feels a coach is underperforming ,he fires the guy. If not he stays. Parcells is staying so in the eyes of Jerry Jones hes obviously still worth the money. And Jones is the one who signs the checks.

I still don't get your orginal point. Who cares if someone is dumb enough to pay a mediocre coach with a big reputation 4mill.....I would rather the owner of the team I love go find someone else (Rex Ryan?) for a quarter of that and probably get me just as many wins if not more.....and be here for the long term.
What's the point of having a lame duck coach....who was lame this year wasting another year of everyone's time?

 

[step]

If Parcells was fired tomorrow morning, he'd have another 4 million $ per year job by lunch. Would you?

So did Akili Smith, Lawrence Philips, Andre Wadsworth, and hundreds of other players that were bad or average and then got another job for big bucks. Heck, in my company (Fortune 100 company), lots of big time managers/directors/vps/etc do a bad job and then leave for bigger bucks. Just because someone can get a big paycheck, it doesn't make them worthy. You know this.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Maybe i'm way off on this but i think Bills'
decision may have to do more about where does
next year and a staff built for the future, ultimatly
workout longterm.I know alot of people are disappointed,
but whatever powers that be,we almost won,and i may be
alone on this,i think we would of beat Chicago next.

We scored 1 offensive TD against a secondary of scrubs and a freaking loan officer and we are going to go to Soldiers Field and beat the Bears???

Can I have some of what you are smoking.......:laugh1:

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

If I went a little over .500 at my job, I would have been fired a long time ago for costing the company a ton of money. If the man wants to come back and seriously put his heart into it, great, but it's been 4 years, and I think he is tired of the situation. The man will not change. He never has, why would he now? He won't bring in a coaching staff that will go against him. That's why he brings in "his guys". Can he turn the corner if comes back next year? Maybe, but I just don't see it. A good friend of mine is from Jersey and is a huge Jets fan, and he warned me when we hired Parcells. He said, "If he can't do it in the first few years, he'll lose interest."

 

[notherbob]

It seems to me that BP has evolved into a mediocre coach with an above average ability to spot talent but no ability to motivate players or adjust to the modern NFL (You are what your record says you are.)

Poor as that is, it makes him 1000 time more qualified than Jerrell W. Jones to choose players and coach this team. The average Bangladeshi who has never seen a football or football game would be a better choice for selecting talent or coaching than Jones - just my opinion.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And theres a bunch of players stealing money too.. so what?

I never understood your ongoing beef with his pay anyhow. It doesnt count against the cap and it's not your money.

Performance, sure.. pay, why?

I really dont understand this argument at all. This is a message board and all aspects of the team are open to debate including whether or not a coach is earning his pay check.

By that argument, this message board really shouldnt exist as none of pay the players and owner's salary, so therefore we shouldnt be worried about them either.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

We scored 1 offensive TD against a secondary of scrubs and a freaking loan officer and we are going to go to Soldiers Field and beat the Bears???

Can I have some of what you are smoking.......:laugh1:

And one of the other cornerbacks was a freakin Tour Guide.

- Mike G.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It seems to me that BP has evolved into a mediocre coach with an above average ability to spot talent but no ability to motivate players or adjust to the modern NFL (You are what your record says you are.)

Poor as that is, it makes him 1000 time more qualified than Jerrell W. Jones to choose players and coach this team. The average Bangladeshi who has never seen a football or football game would be a better choice for selecting talent or coaching than Jones - just my opinion.

Did he evolve into a mediocre coach or was he always? I am not Bill bashing but....

He aint won squat in over his last 10+ years of coaching... meanwhile... Belichek continues to win SB's and make STRONG runs in the playoffs.... injuries, losing players.. not many stars and he STILL gets it done... I dont think that Kraft would EVER let him go AND ANOTHER THING... how smart is Kraft? He bought into the greatness of Bill Parcells then saw it was a facade and canned his butt or atleast made him want to leave... THEN Kraft see's the brilliance was really in Bill Belicheck and hires him... the rest is history.... Props to Kraft on that one.

Although he did lose one of his SB rings to a certain worldly figure :laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

more time to make a decision on coaching next yr...

somehow I bet this ends up as another raise for Parcells



if my performance at my job was as mediocre as Parcells' has been, not only would I never get a raise, I'd be out on the street looking for a new job...he got nearly a 25% raise last yr after going 9-7...wonder if this years 9-7 is worth another 25%?

david

well, in reference to the "who else is out there?" crowd - i'm just not one to take one "lighter bag of manure" because i'm afraid of the other bags. players and coaches come and go and if there best defense is the unknown will follow them, you're reaching like mr fantastic. (playing football in another thread, btw)

we're the dallas cowboys and we're used to a team (well, we used to be) that is competitive year in and year out. bp's best year to date is when he got here and had to work with the "bad talent" handed to him. he shelled it and took 3 years to get back to where he already was.

i find it funny people don't trust jones to make a good coaching decision but he's the one who got pacells, who many now put faith into. by picking parcells and backing out of the limelight, jones proved he can and will do just that. what has parcells proved in the last 4 years?

nothing.

"you are what you are" unless it applies to me then i need more time cause we're THIS CLOSE!!!
each year at the end of the year, parcells has to go off and soul search if he's got it in him. even if he says he does, if you have to ask you're already down to 1/2 a tank and guessing at that point.

i want what i've always wanted since the day the SOB came to the cowboys - a long term direction, approach, and committment.

with his initial search of any vet over 30, 40 for qb's, parcells came into this loaded up for a short term run. i hated that and i said at the time it simply would not work because the pieces didn't fit (in my mind) and to date i've been proven right in what i've seen. maybe it's luck, maybe i can see the overall picture and how what he does fits into todays nfl. doesn't matter, it's still just an exersize in frustration to see "the high and mighty parcells" hold this franchise hostage with his demenaor and search for passion year in and year out.

are we really better than we were 4 years ago when he got here? yea, i will say that. are we close to dominace?

ask 2-13, oops, 3-13 detroit.

defense is parcells key and trademark. we shelled a #1 D and most said it was done with smoke and mirrors and not really that good. (damn that kool aid sure is tastey!) so we put one in place and in 2 years, we're average. well, unless the game is on the line then we're not even that, we're toastboys scraping the burn marks off ourselves in the lockerroom after the game. yet we're damn close now in the middle of the pack. all that has to happen are the BP picks on D to show up and play!!! but they haven't, yet we overlook that also. many tend to overlook a lot when it comes to parcells.

the team can and will reflect the attitude of their leadership. it happens in the military, it happens in the private sector, it happens on the field. if our team doesn't seem to know if they want to go on, one can only wonder where exactly that attitude comes from. well, the parcells supporters will wonder, the parcells bashers will point to BP and the rest just want to see a winning team again reagardless of who gets us there.

our defense may be good on paper but that does us zero good on the field. since defense is all parcells, i put where we are all on parcells. maybe zimmer wasn't the right man for the job but i have to wonder who could be. unless it's a close friend of parcells already and some form of nepotism is necessary for parcells to feel happy with his coaches.

i'll stand by what i said so many years ago - parcells is done and over and just because there's not a bright shiney coach with a long history of a pedigree waiting to come in and take his place, and just because we may have to take a chance on a bright young mind like a rex ryan, it's going to be ok.

my requirements for the next coach are simple.

have some NFL winning experience. have a plan. be willing to work with what you have and not put a square peg in a round hole cause that's the way you used to do it, and most of all - WANT TO BE HERE for the long haul.

we won before parcells ever got here. hell, we beat his arse a few times to boot. we can win long after he takes his drama to jersey and retires. again. i refuse to let his history hold our future hostage.

 

[theebs]

Did he evolve into a mediocre coach or was he always? I am not Bill bashing but....

He aint won squat in over his last 10+ years of coaching... meanwhile... Belichek continues to win SB's and make STRONG runs in the playoffs.... injuries, losing players.. not many stars and he STILL gets it done... I dont think that Kraft would EVER let him go AND ANOTHER THING... how smart is Kraft? He bought into the greatness of Bill Parcells then saw it was a facade and canned his butt or atleast made him want to leave... THEN Kraft see's the brilliance was really in Bill Belicheck and hires him... the rest is history.... Props to Kraft on that one.

Although he did lose one of his SB rings to a certain worldly figure :laugh2:

Dude, bellichick wins mainly because he has Tom Brady. Tom Brady can hide weaknesses.

Its a flawed argument this parcells without bellichick. Flawed.

What if bellichick loses sunday? Does that mean he cant win without his assitants? bellichick was the dc of the pats when they lost to green bay. Bellichick lost in the playoffs with cleveland and basically bankrupt the franchise with his begging of art moddell to sign andre rison.

The key is tom brady. Send parcells Tom Brady and we may have a new banner hanging in the stadium in the next two years also.

Bellichick is fantastic, so is Parcells. Together they are ridiculous, but apart thy are very good also.

Remember parcells giants with bellichick running the defense were whipped in the 80s by the bears and niners in the playoffs, also in 1989 Bellichick's defense gave up an overtime 70 yard TD in the wild card round to the rams......jim everett to flipper anderson in overtime at giants stadium for a one play game ender. That was bellichicks defense, with taylor and banks..

The next year they won 14 games and the superbowl, who did they add, everson walls and some other players.

We are just better players away. Fortunately for Bellichick he has Tom Brady and at the end of the day you need good players. think about how bellichik and the pats would be viewed if it wasnt for the tuck rule?

Good luck and a fantastic qb will get you championships.

Bellichik and parcells are both great coaches, together and apart.

One last thing, bellichik's best move of his career was hiring scott pioli when he was with the jets and then bringing him to new england with him.

 

[wileedog]

we shelled a #1 D and most said it was done with smoke and mirrors and not really that good.

We 'shelled' it after it utterly cratered in 2004. Why do you keep ignoring that?

 

[zeromaster]

Dude, bellichick wins mainly because he has Tom Brady. Tom Brady can hide weaknesses.

Its a flawed argument this parcells without bellichick. Flawed.

Well IIRC, BP hasn't won a playoff game without him, and NE is still playing.

What if bellichick loses sunday? Does that mean he cant win without his assitants? bellichick was the dc of the pats when they lost to green bay. Bellichick lost in the playoffs with cleveland and basically bankrupt the franchise with his begging of art moddell to sign andre rison.

It might mean that. Brady helps the defense as long as the time of possession in NE's favor and they're putting points on the board. Nothing shocking there. Parity also takes its toll in terms of payroll and FA moves.

The key is tom brady. Send parcells Tom Brady and we may have a new banner hanging in the stadium in the next two years also.

Not with the OL and DL playing the way they are right now. If you can't protect your own QB while disrupting the comfort level of the opposition, you get something similar to what we've been watching for about the last month. Not that the QB isn't important, he doesn't do it on his own.

Good luck and a fantastic qb will get you championships.

Indianapolis is still looking to prove that. At least their defense looked improved, but against KC. If they fail to get to the SB yet again, it will be interesting to see where that goes.

 

[iceberg]

We 'shelled' it after it utterly cratered in 2004. Why do you keep ignoring that?

for the same reason people ignore the december meltdowns of parcells.

 

[superpunk]

for the same reason people ignore the december meltdowns of parcells.

Because it doesn't fit the agenda?

 

[iceberg]

Because it doesn't fit the agenda?

one way to look at it. if it doesn't support your argument, you brush it off. i'm not sure that's "agenda" in as much as human nature.

 

[LatinMind]

more time to make a decision on coaching next yr...

somehow I bet this ends up as another raise for Parcells



if my performance at my job was as mediocre as Parcells' has been, not only would I never get a raise, I'd be out on the street looking for a new job...he got nearly a 25% raise last yr after going 9-7...wonder if this years 9-7 is worth another 25%?

david

jerry grow some cajones and fire him already

 

[theebs]

Quote:
Good luck and a fantastic qb will get you championships.

Indianapolis is still looking to prove that. At least their defense looked improved, but against KC. If they fail to get to the SB yet again, it will be interesting to see where that goes.

I wouldnt say indy has had good luck. They have played alot of road playoff games, and played miserably.

INdy doesnt fit this anyway, I am talking about parcells and bellichik. The two teams operate in the same manner, run the same systems, have practice scheduled the same ways.

The big difference is Brady. And for what it is worth vinateiri. He is another piece that has been gold.


So far if you look at mannings career you would have to say himself and marino are the exception. Now if manning plays poor again this weekend maybe he will be viewed differently, Brady however already has his skins on the wall.

 

[zeromaster]

I wouldnt say indy has had good luck. They have played alot of road playoff games, and played miserably.

INdy doesnt fit this anyway, I am talking about parcells and bellichik. The two teams operate in the same manner, run the same systems, have practice scheduled the same ways.

The big difference is Brady. And for what it is worth vinateiri. He is another piece that has been gold.


So far if you look at mannings career you would have to say himself and marino are the exception. Now if manning plays poor again this weekend maybe he will be viewed differently, Brady however already has his skins on the wall.

Ok my bad; the "fantastic quarterback" thing I guess I took out of context. I thought you meant the statement stood on its own. Lesson learned.

 

[jazzcat22]

My thoughts exactly. I am a season ticket holder and my tickets went up two years ago. I understood.

I am not paying the coaches salary so there is nothing I should concern myself with in that regard.

Right we have no control, and we will all be watching next year. Not our concern.

I ordered season tickets for next year. My reasoning [besides the obvious of being a fan] is to be on the list for when the new stadium opens.

I want to be there......