Parcells vs. McCarthy?

[darthseinfeld]

4-12* with Brett Favre and made the NFCCG his second season with the team that was already there. The last coach got fired because they blamed the 4-12 on him. Just like when Garrett took over a 6-10 (1-7) team that was already assembled. If they didn’t do poorly, McCarthy wouldn’t have been hired in the first place.

So you are actually trying to say that a 4-12 team is a contender. Gottcha.

There is tons of criticism you can hand out, especially at the end of his career in GB. And you go with that? A completely researched take?

How about

-His scheme got stake and he refused to adjust it.

-He got massages during team meetings

-Aaron Rodgers said he had the lowest football IQ of anyone he knows.

But no, you went with a completely unresearched and incorrect take.

 

[trickblue]

Parcells took over 4 teams as HC that were in complete disarray, didn't have QBs, and turned them around almost overnight in some cases. Dallas was particularly noteworthy because he did it without Belichick.

McCarthy in GB, like Garrett, took over a contender that was already assembled with a perennial pro bowl QB, and was asked to just do better than the last guy. Every time that QB got injured, however, the team was abysmal in both cases, leading to questions about how much the HC is actually coaching and how much he's riding his QBs coattails... until finally a season where the QB wasn't injured and they sucked anyway, getting both fired.

And now McCarthy enters another situation with a contender that was already assembled with a perennial pro bowl QB, and he's only asked to do better than the last guy. Fingers crossed this is a completely different scenario!

k...

 

[links18]

Nice comparisons of Parcells and McCarthy, but what about the comparative states of the franchise at the two points in time? Jerry clearly hired Parcells, because he need to relegitimize the brand after 3 seasons of shear futility under a feckless coaching staff. Is that what he is trying to do again, or is McCarthy a safe hire he can be comfortable with?

 

[GMO415]

Elmer Fudd is better than Garrett, so MM is awesome.

 

[IndianaCowboys1994]

Compare and contrast the significance and meaning of the McCarthy hire in light of the last time Jerry had to make a hire to regain credibility. Coming off of 3 straight 5-11 seasons with a puppet coach, a roster nobody respected and needing to build a new stadium, Jerry hired someone who could never be described as a yes man.

It lasted 4 years with Parcells restoring the franchise to respectability against some tough odds, having to dump the "Franchise QB" in year 2 and take a chance on an UDFA QB just two years. Still, he couldn't quite get the team over the hump, he got tired and the culture reverted to something Switzeresque quickly after he left.

Where are we now with McCarthy, post-Garrett? What are the similarities and differences? What are the chances to improve on the Parcells effect and actually get back to championship level competition?

Very good question. I think these are different situations but also similar. Dallas from 2000-2002 was historically bad for this franchise. Worst 3 year stretch in years. He hired Bill because he, like right now, wants a proven winner. Dallas in 2014, 2016, and 2018 showed they are capable of winning a Super Bowl. I don't really remember the expectations for Bill, he did a nice job in 2003 and I think that was about it. He found Romo and drafted Witten and Ware. I also don't think he really wanted to be here. For Mike, I think he has a lot left in the tank. I can see him being here for awhile if this works out. I think he personally has a lot to prove. We shall see. This could be Jerry's best hire since Jimmy.

 

[calicowboy54]

Starting with Favre in 1992 the Packers enjoyed 13 years without a losing record under Mike Holmgren, Ray Rhodes (1 years), and Mike Sherman. In 2005 Sherman's record dipped to 4-12 and the Pack turned to McCarthy who they were familiar with from his days as Favres QB coach in 1999. McCarthy took them to 8-8 his first year, 13-3 the second. Favre was replaced by Rodgers in 2008 and again there was a dip in the record to 6-10.

Following that they began a nine year run of play-offs.

In 2017, game 6 Aaron Rodgers suffered a broken collarbone leaving the Packers to Brett Hundley. He finished the season, posting a 7-9 record, which was McCarthy's second losing season in Green Bay.

In 2018, with Rodgers back at QB the Packers floundered around .500 until week 11 when they lost the first of three straight falling from 4-4-1 to 4-7-1.
McCarthy was replaced with Joe Philbin.

Meanwhile the Cowboys had posted three consecutive 5-11 seasons 2000-2002. In 2003 Bill Parcells came on board and immediately posted a 10-6 followed by a 6-10. In his first three years he had three different QBs, (Carter, Testaverde, Bledsoe) before installing Romo.

2018 Rodgers broke up with that actress + coming off collar bone and all his family drama + drama with MM thats why they lost all those games, dudes head was not on right. and new 1st year D-Coordinator, no way that year was going to be successful

 

[Blackspider214]

Parcells took over 4 teams as HC that were in complete disarray, didn't have QBs, and turned them around almost overnight in some cases. Dallas was particularly noteworthy because he did it without Belichick.

McCarthy in GB, like Garrett, took over a contender that was already assembled with a perennial pro bowl QB, and was asked to just do better than the last guy. Every time that QB got injured, however, the team was abysmal in both cases, leading to questions about how much the HC is actually coaching and how much he's riding his QBs coattails... until finally a season where the QB wasn't injured and they sucked anyway, getting both fired.

And now McCarthy enters another situation with a contender that was already assembled with a perennial pro bowl QB, and he's only asked to do better than the last guy. Fingers crossed this is a completely different scenario!

You may want to get your facts straight. No, McCarthy did not take over a contender in GB. Not even close. Do you realize GB was 4-12 in 2005. Favre looked done and threw like 29 picks in 2005. Jameis Winstonesque. That got Sherman fired. In came McCarthy in 2006. He resurrects Favre in the twilight of his career. Goes to a NFC title game in 2007. Favre went again in 2009 with Minn.

Don't skew it to make it seem like McCarthy walked into some powerhouse contender. Not the case at all.

 

[trickblue]

Compare and contrast the significance and meaning of the McCarthy hire in light of the last time Jerry had to make a hire to regain credibility. Coming off of 3 straight 5-11 seasons with a puppet coach, a roster nobody respected and needing to build a new stadium, Jerry hired someone who could never be described as a yes man.

It lasted 4 years with Parcells restoring the franchise to respectability against some tough odds, having to dump the "Franchise QB" in year 2 and take a chance on an UDFA QB just two years. Still, he couldn't quite get the team over the hump, he got tired and the culture reverted to something Switzeresque quickly after he left.

Where are we now with McCarthy, post-Garrett? What are the similarities and differences? What are the chances to improve on the Parcells effect and actually get back to championship level competition?

Look... Parcells did some good things for us, but he also drafted the likes of Carpenter (liked his dad when he played for me) and Fasano (he's a Jersey guy)... these were second rounders... and nothings in the NFL...