Pass Defense

[theogt]

One of the biggest reasons some analysts are picking Green Bay is because of pass defense.

So let's look at the two teams' pass defenses in terms of YPG.

Dallas Opponents: 217.0 YPG
Green Bay Opponents: 215.3 YPG

Not a lot of difference. Then you look at both teams' defense in terms of QB rating.

Dallas Opponents: 73.4
Green Bay Opponents: 77.0

You also have to consider that Green Bay hasn't had the misfortune of playing the god-like Tom Brady this season. I'm not sure where this notion that Green Bay has a much better defense comes from. Anyone care to enlighten me?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I've been wondering the same thing.

I think the short answer is that Kampman and KBG have been getting noticed lately and, most of all, they have two big name corners.

Other than that, I'm not sure where this "great young defense" is that I've been hearing so much about.

 

[superpunk]

People know who Charles Woodson and Al Harris are.

Their pass defense was ranked high (statistically last year).

Roy Williams mythology.

Roy Williams.

We finished the year poorly with pass defense last season.

The media takes about 12 months to catch up to what is going on now.

 

[theogt]

I've been wondering the same thing.

I think the short answer is that Kampman and KBG have been getting noticed lately and, most of all, they have two big name corners.

Other than that, I'm not sure where this "great young defense" is that I've been hearing so much about.

Well, then you can look at Kampman and KGB compared to Ellis and Ware in terms of Sacks Per Person Per Game

Kampman/KGB - 0.465
Ellis/Ware - 0.460

And you can look at Tackles Per Person Per Game:

Kampman/KGB - 1.659
Ellis/Ware - 2.157

These two defenses are essentially identical in terms of statistics.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I know... I'm not at all defending the perception.

 

[Rampage]

has the packers defense givin up 3 300 yard passing games to opposing qbs this year? we did to brady,manning(week1 i think) and campell. if they didn't that could be another reason.

 

[theogt]

has the packers defense givin up 3 300 yard passing games to opposing qbs this year? we did to brady,manning(week1 i think) and campell. if they didn't that could be another reason.

No, but they haven't faced Brady either. And they've given up a 300 yard game to Phillip Rivers. And 250 yard games to such greats as Vinny Testaverde, Kelly Holcomb, and Jay Cutler.

 

[Rampage]

No, but they haven't faced Brady either. And they've given up a 300 yard game to Phillip Rivers. And 250 yard games to such greats as Vinny Testaverde, Kelly Holcomb, and Jay Cutler.

idk man, i was just throwing that out to see if it made sense to why the media says that stuff.

 

[percyhoward]

When you throw 54 passes like Campbell did, and you average a mediocre 6.44 yards per attempt, then it comes out to 348 yards.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

People know who Charles Woodson and Al Harris are.

Their pass defense was ranked high (statistically last year).

Roy Williams mythology.

Roy Williams.

We finished the year poorly with pass defense last season.

The media takes about 12 months to catch up to what is going on now.

But they were also real bad last year. And a team isn't going to throw much once it's protecting a lead. Also it would be note worthy that they played teams with horrible pass offense in Chicago and Minnesota twice last year.


In terms of their good D, they got good Corners, 2 good DEs, good young LBs in Barnett and Hawk. You don't go 10-1 in this league by chance. They are a pretty solid team.

 

[theogt]

When you throw 54 passes like Campbell did, and you average a mediocre 6.44 yards per attempt, then it comes out to 348 yards.

If you want to carry that point even further...

Dallas Opponents: 6.3 YPA
Green Bay Opponents: 6.7 YPA

 

[theebs]

People know who Charles Woodson and Al Harris are.

Their pass defense was ranked high (statistically last year).

Roy Williams mythology.

Roy Williams.

We finished the year poorly with pass defense last season.

The media takes about 12 months to catch up to what is going on now.

Thats exactly what it is. No matter what is said about our team opinion or stat talk, it always comes back to dopey people blaming roy williams for everything.

You can always count on mark schlereth, merrill hodge, tom jackson etc etc etc ....to just say yea but roy williams will have to cover someone.

This is like the giants game again. For some reason we are the only common variable in all of these big games, but everytime it is always about how the other team in the equation is going to beat us and what we cant do.

I hope our defense wins this game for us again, just like it did in ny.

Those guys are ready to lose, I really believe that.

oh and all these analysts might want to take a peak at those safeties in GB.

Tom Waddle was on nfl total access a few nights ago and all he talked about was how the safeties in gb are very poor and witten, owens and crayton should do whatever they want.

 

[Doomsday]

Their defense has been a bit better at scoring defense only allowing 16.8 (5th) points a game vs Dallas' 20.1 (10th). Statistically the defenses have been very similar this year in my opinion.

Anyone know what the 3rd down defense percentages are for the 2 teams or where I can find that info. I tried to google it but had no luck.

Never mind I found it NFL.com. Dallas is at 38 percent and GB is first in the league at 32 percent.

 

[theebs]

When you throw 54 passes like Campbell did, and you average a mediocre 6.44 yards per attempt, then it comes out to 348 yards.

Yards do not matter. Look at the eagles all the years they have been winning the nfc and the east. They give up tons of yards, mostly rushing but no one ever scored td's on them.

That is what we have done and continue to need to do. Force teams to drive the distance and then shut them down in the redzone or force a mistake and make them kick fgs.

 

[percyhoward]

Yards do not matter. Look at the eagles all the years they have been winning the nfc and the east. They give up tons of yards, mostly rushing but no one ever scored td's on them.

That is what we have done and continue to need to do. Force teams to drive the distance and then shut them down in the redzone or force a mistake and make them kick fgs.

You're right, his 348 yards didn't matter because he threw a pick in the red zone. But my point was that his yardage wasn't even impresive, considering the number of attempts.

In fact 6.4 ypa would be 25th in the league right now.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

One of the biggest reasons some analysts are picking Green Bay is because of pass defense.

So let's look at the two teams' pass defenses in terms of YPG.

Dallas Opponents: 217.0 YPG
Green Bay Opponents: 215.3 YPG

Not a lot of difference. Then you look at both teams' defense in terms of QB rating.

Dallas Opponents: 73.4
Green Bay Opponents: 77.0

You also have to consider that Green Bay hasn't had the misfortune of playing the god-like Tom Brady this season. I'm not sure where this notion that Green Bay has a much better defense comes from. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Two reasons:

1) Green Bay's scoring defense statistic is better than Dallas'.

2) Green Bay's defense has been playing at a high level since the midpoint of last season.

However, as we've already established, the scoring defenses are virtually identical if we subtract any scores resulting from defensive or special teams returns.

 

[theogt]

Two reasons:

1) Green Bay's scoring defense statistic is better than Dallas'.

2) Green Bay's defense has been playing at a high level since the midpoint of last season.

However, as we've already established, the scoring defenses are virtually identical if we subtract any scores resulting from defensive or special teams returns.

As was the point of the thread, all of the reasons are illusory.

By the way, both teams have given up only 15 passing TDs.

 

[circasurvive]

Also Corey Williams and the Pickett/Jolly/Cole combo they have a DT. Williams has 7 sacks and I believe 3 FF. Hes been a real breakout player for the Pack this year. However the Packers Jolly and Cole will both miss the game against the Cowboys due to injury. This means that if Harrels knee and anckle heals in time hewill help with the Dline rotation. Harrel was the Packers number one pick who was projected to be drafted round two because he had injury problems. However if he didnt have injury problems he could have possibly been the best DT in the draft. Harrel has played two games before reinjuring his knee and anckle and in those games he got no numbers but was demanding double coverage becuase of his size and strength. I dont like him though. I think hes a wasted first round pick.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Speaking of the points allowed posts in this thread, does anyone have the updated defense points allowed? We all know the NFL.com stats include kicking game and INT/fumble returned scores, which shouldn't be on our defense.

Is there a site that has that stat without manually backing out the number?

 

[smarta5150]

Myabe its because of the 4-5 WR sets that GB has been running.

It can really spread a defense out.