Pass Rush doing better than many believe...

[whcarm]

I saw something on Fox Sports that got me thinking. They said that the Cowboys' pass rush wasn't getting as much respect as they should be because they have had less chances to sack the QB than all but four teams in the league. Cowboys' opponents have attempted to pass less than all but four other teams.

So, I went through and compared the sacks to the number of pass attempts. What I came up with is that the Cowboys are currently 8th in the league in getting sacks when the opponent passes.

Here are the top ten when you determine the percentage of times the team got a sack when the team attempted a pass :

Ravens: 1.45%
Chargers: 1.25%
Bears: 1.17%
Dolphins: 1.14%
Steelers: .98%
Eagles: .98%
49ers: .94%
Cowboys: .93%
Saints: .91%
Patriots: .88%

The Commanders come in at .53% and the Giants are the worst in the league at .16%

 

[Bob Sacamano]

:worthy:

this is sig-worthy stuff

 

[whcarm]

So with my stats, the Cowboys are ranked 8th in the league.

If you just look at the number of sacks, we are currently ranked 16th in the league.

 

[percyhoward]

whcarm, great stats.

Another misleading stat is QB scrambles for lost yardage that are not counted as sacks. Besides the two "official" sacks of Vince Young last Sunday, there were also these two "rushing" plays.

2-7-TEN 37 (10:46) (Shotgun) 10-V.Young left tackle to TEN 31 for -6 yards (57-K.Burnett, 56-B.James).

3-5-DAL 34 (6:40) 10-V.Young right end to DAL 39 for -5 yards (98-G.Ellis). FUMBLES (98-G.Ellis), ball out of bounds at DAL 39.

 

[Chuck 54]

Nice stats, but they mean nothing unless the occassional sack is all you care about.

Pressure, constant pressure, is all that really matters, and NO, we haven't had it.

Every single game had stretches of the game where the QB had all day in the pocket to sit and look over the defense...it is a bad sign.

The type of pressure Burnett put on Young produces turnovers like James's TD. It can't be ocassional...sacks can be 2, 3, 4 a game and not really have any impact on the game, but constant pressure that rushes or moves the QB changes the timing and causes late or early deliveries that result in turnovers. That's far more important than a sack...we don't bring consistant pressure...not yet.

 

[Cbz40]

Nice stats, but they mean nothing unless the occassional sack is all you care about.

Pressure, constant pressure, is all that really matters, and NO, we haven't had it.

Every single game had stretches of the game where the QB had all day in the pocket to sit and look over the defense...it is a bad sign.

The type of pressure Burnett put on Young produces turnovers like James's TD. It can't be ocassional...sacks can be 2, 3, 4 a game and not really have any impact on the game, but constant pressure that rushes or moves the QB changes the timing and causes late or early deliveries that result in turnovers. That's far more important than a sack...we don't bring consistant pressure...not yet.

That's it in a nut shell Wayne. Good post.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Nice stats, but they mean nothing unless the occassional sack is all you care about.

Pressure, constant pressure, is all that really matters, and NO, we haven't had it.

Every single game had stretches of the game where the QB had all day in the pocket to sit and look over the defense...it is a bad sign.

The type of pressure Burnett put on Young produces turnovers like James's TD. It can't be ocassional...sacks can be 2, 3, 4 a game and not really have any impact on the game, but constant pressure that rushes or moves the QB changes the timing and causes late or early deliveries that result in turnovers. That's far more important than a sack...we don't bring consistant pressure...not yet.

I keep telling people to just watch the game and stay away from NFL.com. Give me Qualitative data any day of the week.

Right now, we are not a pressure defense.

 

[TEK2000]

Brunell was under pressure more often than not during the Commanders game.

At times it looked like he was playing hot potato trying to get rid of the ball before the pressure got even near him.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Nice stats, but they mean nothing unless the occassional sack is all you care about.

Pressure, constant pressure, is all that really matters, and NO, we haven't had it.

Every single game had stretches of the game where the QB had all day in the pocket to sit and look over the defense...it is a bad sign.

The type of pressure Burnett put on Young produces turnovers like James's TD. It can't be ocassional...sacks can be 2, 3, 4 a game and not really have any impact on the game, but constant pressure that rushes or moves the QB changes the timing and causes late or early deliveries that result in turnovers. That's far more important than a sack...we don't bring consistant pressure...not yet.

Yeah, I still remember in that jacksonville game, Leftwich just standing there all day, picking us apart at the end of the game.

We play such a passive D, waiting on them to make a mistake instead of being aggressive and causing the mistake. Really wish we had the jail break of some other Ds we see.

As for the stats above, if we get less chances to rush the QB, that means teams are passing less against us. Which would mean teams are running more against us, which is usually the case with losing teams. Doesn't really make sense, but maybe teams think they can run on us instead of passing. Or they are scared to pass.

 

[peplaw06]

Anyone have the stats on the QB hurries or pressures per pass attempt? Maybe that will be a better indicator.

 

[dbair1967]

Anyone have the stats on the QB hurries or pressures per pass attempt? Maybe that will be a better indicator.

yeah...watch the games...you'll see QB's standing there far too long...

when its the 3rd qtr and they show the graphic "Vince Young under pressure, 0 sacks, 0 hurries, 0 hits" you arnt rushing the passer

other than the first series or two vs Jacksonville and maybe the 2nd half of the Skins game, this team hasnt even breathed on an opposing QB...the last 3 preseason games it was the same thing with the starting D...no pressure at all...hopefully it will change soon

David

 

[percyhoward]

Teams that get more sacks are almost always teams that get more pressure on the QB though. So if we're 8th (even an "adjusted" 8th) then that says something. We contained Young, with 4 tackles behind the LOS, another for a one-yard gain, and another four-yard gain he fumbled on. In all those cases the guys who made the tackle were rushing the passer.

It would be interesting to know opposing QB's rating against our D. I would bet that it's in the top 10.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I saw something on Fox Sports that got me thinking. They said that the Cowboys' pass rush wasn't getting as much respect as they should be because they have had less chances to sack the QB than all but four teams in the league. Cowboys' opponents have attempted to pass less than all but four other teams.

So, I went through and compared the sacks to the number of pass attempts. What I came up with is that the Cowboys are currently 8th in the league in getting sacks when the opponent passes.

Here are the top ten when you determine the percentage of times the team got a sack when the team attempted a pass :

Ravens: 1.45%
Chargers: 1.25%
Bears: 1.17%
Dolphins: 1.14%
Steelers: .98%
Eagles: .98%
49ers: .94%
Cowboys: .93%
Saints: .91%
Patriots: .88%

The Commanders come in at .53% and the Giants are the worst in the league at .16%

I think the decimal point needs to slide over... for every 100 times an opponent goes back to pass, the Cowboys get approximately 1 sack? Is that right? Maybe it should be 9.3 sacks for every 100 passing attempts or 9.3%

 

[whcarm]

You are probably right. I suck at math. That's why I'm a lawyer

 

[peplaw06]

yeah...watch the games...you'll see QB's standing there far too long...

when its the 3rd qtr and they show the graphic "Vince Young under pressure, 0 sacks, 0 hurries, 0 hits" you arnt rushing the passer

other than the first series or two vs Jacksonville and maybe the 2nd half of the Skins game, this team hasnt even breathed on an opposing QB...the last 3 preseason games it was the same thing with the starting D...no pressure at all...hopefully it will change soon

David

The Tennessee game is not a good barometer. It was widely discussed that the Cowboys WANTED Vince to throw the ball. They didn't make a concerted effort to pressure him because that would have allowed him to use his legs more.

 

[big dog cowboy]

In the Ten game, the defensive game plan was to keep VY in the pocket and not allow him any rushing lanes. The containment plan worked as Young didn't take off on any long runs. Using this plan is at the sacrifice of putting constant pressure on the QB and won't generate many sacks. But it will shut down the offense and produce a W.

 

[percyhoward]

OPPOSING PASSER RATING

1 Baltimore....49.9
2 San Diego...50.2
3 Kansas City.54.6
4 Atlanta.......57.5
5 Cincinnati....62.5
6 Dallas.........65.0
7 Chicago......65.6
8 St. Louis.....67.5
9 Jacksonville.69.4
10 N.Y. Jets...71.0

This is a better measuring stick for pass defenses than sacks, pressures, etc. because it indicates how much success opposing QB's have against a defense.

We're right up there.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=999&Category=2

 

[ravidubey]

We brought good pressure against Jacksonville until they shortened their pass patterns and dinked and dunked on us all day. Our coverage really let us down. Jacksonville completed only two long passes, one of 24 and one for 30, and even had some RAC to them. The rest were dinks and dunks to take our front seven out of the game.

 

[ravidubey]

OPPOSING PASSER RATING

1 Baltimore....49.9
2 San Diego...50.2
3 Kansas City.54.6
4 Atlanta.......57.5
5 Cincinnati....62.5
6 Dallas.........65.0
7 Chicago......65.6
8 St. Louis.....67.5
9 Jacksonville.69.4
10 N.Y. Jets...71.0

This is a better measuring stick for pass defenses than sacks, pressures, etc. because it indicates how much success opposing QB's have against a defense.

We're right up there.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=999&Category=2

Passer rating isn't enough by itself. If you give the ball to the other team, for example, a shortened field can substitute for good offensive production.

The 2003 season proved to me you can have great defensive stats and not be a playoff calibre defense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Tennessee game is not a good barometer. It was widely discussed that the Cowboys WANTED Vince to throw the ball. They didn't make a concerted effort to pressure him because that would have allowed him to use his legs more.

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