Pass Rush Win Rate for Early DEs

Im sure the Broncos we’re looking at more than just a sack number when evaluating him.
They aren’t looking at what he’s done which is very little by any measure. They hope his talent will finally shine through and he will take the next step. You can’t miss what you never had. And he wasn’t much for this franchise. Gregory may turn out to be worth the money. I wouldn’t bet on it.
 
They aren’t looking at what he’s done which is very little by any measure. They hope his talent will finally shine through and he will take the next step. You can’t miss what you never had. And he wasn’t much for this franchise. Gregory may turn out to be worth the money. I wouldn’t bet on it.

Strongly disagree…the Chargers HC literally went on camera last year talking about the importance of pressures, win rate and QB hits being a strong indicator of pass rusher success bc it’s more sustainable than just looking at sacks.

I watched every snap of every game last year and honestly can’t understand how you couldn’t consider Gregory an above average DE watching how he impacted games with how he pressures the QB.
 
Strongly disagree…the Chargers HC literally went on camera last year talking about the importance of pressures, win rate and QB hits being a strong indicator of pass rusher success bc it’s more sustainable than just looking at sacks.

I watched every snap of every game last year and honestly can’t understand how you couldn’t consider Gregory an above average DE watching how he impacted games with how he pressures the QB.
Agree to disagree. I thought Gregory had a good year last year. But does that mean we forget that he did basically nothing before this year ? I can’t make any projection about Gregory because he’s just not on the field enough. There is absolutely no reason to assume that Gregory will be as good or better than this year. I have very little faith that Gregory will live up to the contract. That’s why I have no issue with us walking away from the player.
 
Bumping this thread with a post I saw on Marcus Mosher's Twitter today.

The correlation between college pressures and NFL pass-rush wins is a nearly straight line. Don't look at sack numbers, people. Look at pressures.

 
Randy Gregory had a high win rate last yr and many said he was overrated.

Still believe if 1 of the top 5 Edge is available at 24, the Cowboys would take him, but really feel the sweet spot will be in rd 2 to draft a 2nd tier Edge, rather then reach in rd 1.
I like Drake Jackson in round 2.
 
Bumping this thread with a post I saw on Marcus Mosher's Twitter today.

The correlation between college pressures and NFL pass-rush wins is a nearly straight line. Don't look at sack numbers, people. Look at pressures.



But sacks are the only measure of success! DLaw is the worst DE in football bc he only gets 6 sacks!
 
Bumping this thread with a post I saw on Marcus Mosher's Twitter today.

The correlation between college pressures and NFL pass-rush wins is a nearly straight line. Don't look at sack numbers, people. Look at pressures.



That’s a compelling graph. Nick Bonito had a pressure rate of 25%, why aren’t we talking about him?
 
That’s a compelling graph. Nick Bonito had a pressure rate of 25%, why aren’t we talking about him?

Someone in the comments section added Bonitto in there, and it's pretty freaky how much of an outlier he is.

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Someone in the comments section added Bonitto in there, and it's pretty freaky how much of an outlier he is.

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Im higher in Bonnito than most…I think he’ll slide because as good as he is as a pass rusher he’s equally as bad as a run defender.
 
Per PFF:

2021 @PFF pass-rush win rates (no screens, PA or designed rollouts):

Kingsley Enagbare: 40%

Aidan Hutchinson: 33%
Nik Bonitto: 33%
Arnold Ebiketie: 32%
Kayvon Thibodeaux: 30%
George Karlaftis: 29%

Boye Mafe: 25%
David Ojabo: 23%

Jermaine Johnson II: 17%

Travon Walker: 11%

Man I wish Kingsley would’ve tested better…I also still think Walker is getting overrated. I love the traits but there isn’t a lot of production backing up all the top 10 talk.
I think I'm favoring Karlaftis. Problem is, I'm not seeing much in the line of difference makers at DE. Outside of Thibodeaux, looks like a bunch of solid DE types to me. No, I'm not sold on Huchinson. He could be Jared Allen, but he could also be BJoern Werner.
 
I think I'm favoring Karlaftis. Problem is, I'm not seeing much in the line of difference makers at DE. Outside of Thibodeaux, looks like a bunch of solid DE types to me. No, I'm not sold on Huchinson. He could be Jared Allen, but he could also be BJoern Werner.

Im a big fan of Karlaftis. I don’t think he’s gonna be a perennial 10+ sack type guy but he’ll be someone that can generate a lot of pressure and be a sold run defender.

Surprised you don’t like Hutch. He’s a bigger, longer and faster version of Karlaftis IMO.
 
Per PFF:

2021 @PFF pass-rush win rates (no screens, PA or designed rollouts):

Kingsley Enagbare: 40%

Aidan Hutchinson: 33%
Nik Bonitto: 33%
Arnold Ebiketie: 32%
Kayvon Thibodeaux: 30%
George Karlaftis: 29%

Boye Mafe: 25%
David Ojabo: 23%

Jermaine Johnson II: 17%

Travon Walker: 11%

Man I wish Kingsley would’ve tested better…I also still think Walker is getting overrated. I love the traits but there isn’t a lot of production backing up all the top 10 talk.

These mean little without being put into context. If Kingsley is winning because he is playing appalachian state, its worthless.
 

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