Passing against our cornerbacks

[50cent]

He also doesn't have Henry's size or overall nose for the ball. I think there's little doubt who this team's top corner has become.

I agree Newman didn't have a great game, but based on some of the "bust" posts you see circulating here every game, you'd think he was the responsible for every defensive error. It's really getting quite interesting the amount of hate thrown his way every week.

I finally have to disagree with you Dale. Henry has 18 career Ints and 10 came in one year. That avgs out to about 4 per year. TNew has 8 which is about 4 per year. Its easy for us to critique TNew because as Boys fans we have seen him play every game, but trust me Henry has been beat in his career quite often if not more than TNew, but we didn't see every play of the Browns. I won't disregard that 10 INT year from Henry but that one year has put him on the ball hawk pedestal. Tnew has made plays and will as the season goes on. I believe Henry has 6 Pass defensed and Tnew had 4, not bad ball skills if you ask me. They will be a hell of a tandem with several picks apiece for the Boys. They have barely scratched the surface of what will happen.

 

[TheHustler]

Throwing for 200 yards doesn't mean much when it takes you 35 attempts to do it. Nor does throwing for 2 TD's, when you also throw 2 INT's.

Have you already forgotten how long its been since we've thrown more TDs than INTs? The last INT, can't be completely faulted on Brees or attributed to the secondary anyway. He had to make a play so he forced it.

 

[50cent]

Not true, Ellis was closing in his face and that called team defense. Get pressure, force a quick throw and then break on the ball. I think Ellis casued Brees to force more so than just the fact that it was 4th down.

 

[Eskimo]

Throwing for 200 yards doesn't mean much when it takes you 35 attempts to do it. Nor does throwing for 2 TD's, when you also throw 2 INT's.

I think Newman played the best out of all our secondary, including Henry. Roy and Keith Davis were liabilities in coverage, no surprise there. Henry's int is mitigatedd by giving up two huge completions on the final drive, including a 35 yard catch to Eric Parker on 4th and 14 which almost cost the Cowboys the game. That was by far worse than anything Newman did today.

I would agree that Newman had a good game. Henry for the most part played well, too. I think it is telling how much the Chargers preferred to attack Henry than Newman. For some reason, Cowboys fans expected that Newman should never have a pass completed against him. The whole board freaks out anytime Newman's man makes a catch - I find it bizarre. 3 catches for 43 yards and the board is acting like he was toast out there today.

I do have some concern that Henry got a bit lucky today on some deeper passes that may be completed later in the season - but that is his style. He will steal some and he will give up some big plays. His tackling was quite good in the secondary and forcing run plays. I'm sure the board will be much more forgiving of Henry's big plays than they will be of Newman's.

 

[ddh33]

I don't know why a lot of the guys here catch as much flak as they do.

Obviously, Henry was very good today. He was very active and agressive.

I thought Newman played very well too though. It's sometimes ignored or forgotten, but Newman is pretty good himself in run support. I swear, I think fans believe that he should never allow a completion. That's just not reasonable. I didn't see much wrong with Newman today though.

And Roy Williams was fine too. The truth is, you can't get tackles behind the line of scrimmage, interceptions, sacks, and pass deflections all the time. Believe me, the Chargers knew where Roy was though. He came hard on some blitzes and forced some incompletions. He got some tackles for loss. I don't even remember him getting himself in trouble in coverage.

 

[jbsg02]

Henry was incredible today. I'm gonna be honest and say that I had my doubts about him receiving the kinda money that he got, but he proved his worth. 12 tackles, 5 pass deflections and an interception, Great game. I guess that puts him on pace for 192 tackles, 80 pass deflections and 16 interceptions.... j/k

 

[Dallas4ever]

I don't know why a lot of the guys here catch as much flak as they do.

Obviously, Henry was very good today. He was very active and agressive.

I thought Newman played very well too though. It's sometimes ignored or forgotten, but Newman is pretty good himself in run support. I swear, I think fans believe that he should never allow a completion. That's just not reasonable. I didn't see much wrong with Newman today though.

And Roy Williams was fine too. The truth is, you can't get tackles behind the line of scrimmage, interceptions, sacks, and pass deflections all the time. Believe me, the Chargers knew where Roy was though. He came hard on some blitzes and forced some incompletions. He got some tackles for loss. I don't even remember him getting himself in trouble in coverage.

Your right, the DB's played well overall. I think there were match up issues when SD put a 3rd WR on the field, but it was a pretty good effort with all things considered.

 

[ddh33]

I was surprised I didn't see more nickel than I did. I would assume that Bill was worried about those draws and screens to LT. I'm guessing he felt more comfortable with a LB trying to make that tackle than a DB.

 

[smashmouth]

Its astonishing the amount of carte blanche Roy gets compared to Newman.

It seems as though Roy doesn't have any blame, because he really doesn't have any responsibility. Any problems in pass coverage are all the cornerback's and free safety's fault. Any breakdowns on run defense are the front 7's fault. Even the plays that are made on him routinely are supposedly not his fault, because evidently he's the only defensive back in the history of the NFL that shouldn't have to cover anybody, ever. What exactly is he responsible for? Nobody knows.

Let's cut RW and Newman

 

[CowboysNumeroUno]

THROWN AT HENRY
8 yards to Parker
interception, intended for Caldwell
5 yards to McCardell
incompletion to McCardell
5 yards to Parker
11 yards to McCardell
incompletion to Peelle
incompletion to Parker
incompletion to Parker
17 yards to McCardell
incompletion to Caldwell
33 yards to Parker
incompletion to McCardell
TOTALS: 6-for-13, 79 yards, 1 interception

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THROWN AT NEWMAN
18 yards to Parker
incompletion to McCardell
incompletion to McCardell
incompletion to Parker
16 yards to McCardell
9 yards to Caldwell
incompletion to Caldwell
TOTALS: 3-for-7, 43 yards

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THROWN AT GLENN
incompletion to Parker
interception, intended for Parker
TOTALS: 0-for-2, 0 yards, 1 interception

===============

TOTALS FOR ALL THREE: 9-for-22, 122 yards, 2 interceptions, 0 touchdowns (21.4 passer rating)

Doesn't this pretty much show that we were horrible in zone and good in man coverage?

I think our corners are physical enough to play man all the time

 

[silverbear]

THROWN AT HENRY
8 yards to Parker
interception, intended for Caldwell
5 yards to McCardell
incompletion to McCardell
5 yards to Parker
11 yards to McCardell
incompletion to Peelle
incompletion to Parker
incompletion to Parker
17 yards to McCardell
incompletion to Caldwell
33 yards to Parker
incompletion to McCardell
TOTALS: 6-for-13, 79 yards, 1 interception

=================

THROWN AT NEWMAN
18 yards to Parker
incompletion to McCardell
incompletion to McCardell
incompletion to Parker
16 yards to McCardell
9 yards to Caldwell
incompletion to Caldwell
TOTALS: 3-for-7, 43 yards

===============

THROWN AT GLENN
incompletion to Parker
interception, intended for Parker
TOTALS: 0-for-2, 0 yards, 1 interception

===============

TOTALS FOR ALL THREE: 9-for-22, 122 yards, 2 interceptions, 0 touchdowns (21.4 passer rating)

You can win a lot of games in the NFL with numbers like that...

 

[AdamJT13]

That makes him 9 of 15 for 87 yards and 2 TDs against everyone else in the secondary?

That's pretty poor.

He was 9-for-12 for 87 yards and two TDs against everyone else. Three of those (for 6 yards, minus-1 yard and minus-3 yards) were dumpoff passes that weren't "against" anyone in particular. Those were the ONLY passes the Chargers completed to any running back or tight end.

Brees was 6-for-9 for 85 yards and two TDs when the wide receiver was covered (or should have been covered) by someone else. Of those six, five of them were in zone coverage, and all of them came when a wide receiver was being covered by a linebacker or safety -- the easiest matchup there is.

Here's the breakdown --

Bradie James allowed completions of 9 yards to McCardell and 11 yards to Parker, and he was partly responsible for McCardell's 20-yard TD catch (he had the underneath coverage and didn't drop enough).

Davis also was partly responsible for McCardell's 20-yard TD catch (he had the deep coverage and didn't react soon enough), and he allowed a 16-yard completion to McCardell and McCardell's 17-yard TD catch. He was defending on one incompletion to Peelle (on second-and-goal at the end of the game).

Singleton allowed a 12-yard completion to McCardell, and he was defending on an incompletion to Peelle (Ware's pressure forced Brees into a bad throw).

Spears was defending on an incomplete screen pass to Tomlinson (Brees was under pressure and threw the ball into the ground).

Roy wasn't involved in the coverage for any completions or any incompletions. (He allowed a 13-yard catch by Peelle, but the catch was wiped out by a penalty.)

Stats can be skewed to show anything. Bottom line, our pass defense needs to improve.

The Chargers' adjusted passing average was a paltry 2.378 YPA. That's excellent, and it's almost always good enough to win. (Our adjusted passing average was 6.857 YPA.)

 

[silverbear]

That makes him 9 of 15 for 87 yards and 2 TDs against everyone else in the secondary?

That's pretty poor.

Actually, that's not bad at all...

Stats can be skewed to show anything

Yeah, they can be, but they can also be a useful weapon when used by an intellectually honest individual who UNDERSTANDS them...

Obviously, that doesn't include you... you've just done exactly what you said, manipulated the stats to make them say what you wanted them to... sadly for you, this manipulation does nothing whatsoever to counter Adam's stats regarding our cornerback coverage...

All you've proven is that the linebacker and safety play versus the pass wasn't nearly as good as the cornerback play was... and even then, it was adequate...

Bottom line, our pass defense needs to improve. If Brees can throw for 200+ yards and 2 TDs with Keenen McCardell as his #1, we're in trouble.

LOL... he averaged over 200 yards a game last year (210.6), and that was with that number one receiver missing over HALF THE SEASON...

Good thing Gates couldn't play.

You might want to know *** you're talkin' about before spewin' this kind of nonsense...

The Cowboys allowed 51.4 per cent completions against the Chargers, who completed 64 per cent of their passes last year...

The Chargers gained 209 yards passing against the Cowboys, they averaged 209.1 last year... but they threw the ball 25 per cent more often in this game than they did last year... they averaged 5.9 yards per pass in this game, compared to 7.4 YPA last year...

The Cowboys came up with 2 interceptions against the Chargers, who threw just eight of them all of last year...

IOW, the Cowboys held the Chargers' passing attack to a decidedly subpar performance, compared to last season...

Frankly, your expectations are RIDICULOUS... any reasonably competent pass offense is gonna hit a few plays in the course of a game... especially if they throw the ball 35 times a game... bottom line, the Chargers' entire pass offense consisted of McCardell and Parker... the rest of the team combined for 4 catches, for 11 yards...

 

[JBell]

Nguyen allowed McCardell's 17-yard TD catch on the broken play.

You are a very wise man Adam, but you are wrong on this one.

That was all Keith Davis on that play... Nguyen had coverage on McCardell in front of him and Davis tried to jump the route and McCardell went right past Davis for the TD.

Davis should have kept McCardell in front of him...

 

[AdamJT13]

I forgot one incompletion against Glenn (the third-down pass to McCardell at the goal line).

So they were 0-for-3 going at Glenn, and a combined 9-for-23 going at our three cornerbacks.

 

[TheHustler]

He was 9-for-12 for 87 yards and two TDs against everyone else. Three of those (for 6 yards, minus-1 yard and minus-3 yards) were dumpoff passes that weren't "against" anyone in particular. Those were the ONLY passes the Chargers completed to any running back or tight end.

Brees was 6-for-9 for 85 yards and two TDs when the wide receiver was covered (or should have been covered) by someone else. Of those six, five of them were in zone coverage, and all of them came when a wide receiver was being covered by a linebacker or safety -- the easiest matchup there is.

Here's the breakdown --

Bradie James allowed completions of 9 yards to McCardell and 11 yards to Parker, and he was partly responsible for McCardell's 20-yard TD catch (he had the underneath coverage and didn't drop enough).

Davis also was partly responsible for McCardell's 20-yard TD catch (he had the deep coverage and didn't react soon enough), and he allowed a 16-yard completion to McCardell. He was defending on one incompletion to Peelle (on second-and-goal at the end of the game).

Singleton allowed a 12-yard completion to McCardell, and he was defending on an incompletion to Peelle (Ware's pressure forced Brees into a bad throw).

Nguyen allowed McCardell's 17-yard TD catch on the broken play.

Spears was defending on an incomplete screen pass to Tomlinson (Brees was under pressure and threw the ball into the ground).

Roy wasn't involved in the coverage for any completions or any incompletions. (He allowed a 13-yard catch by Peelle, but the catch was wiped out by a penalty.)




The Chargers' adjusted passing average was a paltry 2.378 YPA. That's excellent, and it's almost always good enough to win. (Our adjusted passing average was 6.857 YPA.)

Thanks for the breakdown. Looks like they got a lot of mismatches WRs vs LBs. Hope that doesn't happen much next week.

 

[TheHustler]

You are a very wise man Adam, but you are wrong on this one.

That was all Keith Davis on that play... Nguyen had coverage on McCardell in front of him and Davis tried to jump the route and McCardell went right past Davis for the TD.

Davis should have kept McCardell in front of him...

Yeah, Davis jumped the route and ran into Nguyen in the process. Hopefully he settles in a bit more next week. He needs to keep plays in front of him.

 

[Rack]

Bradie James allowed completions of 9 yards to McCardell and 11 yards to Parker, and he was partly responsible for McCardell's 20-yard TD catch (he had the underneath coverage and didn't drop enough).

Yep, I noticed that. He bit on the play action and it opened the middle of the field. We need to let our CBs stay on an Island a little more often and let Davis and/or Roy roam the middle of the field. Not all the time, just sometimes. Brees said in the post game interview that they called that play cuz they saw the LBs were leaving the middle of the field open.


As for our pass defense, I think it was fine (good actually) other then a couple of busted plays. On McCardell's second TD Davis thought Brees was about to throw it to McCardell so he came up, about that same time McCardell drifted deep, Davis tried to recover but ran into the other guys covering instead (a LB I think). Basically it was a fluke play. The other TD was well designed and perfectly executed though.


I do think our pass rush needs to improve. Our anticipation and timing on our blitzes needs to be better. I saw one play where Roy was blitzing, he walked up to the line too soon and Brees called an audible. You could see Roy shake his head cuz he knew he gave it away too soon.

 

[Rack]

Yeah, Davis jumped the route and ran into Nguyen in the process. Hopefully he settles in a bit more next week. He needs to keep plays in front of him.

Yeah Davis did screw up on that play, but to his defense, a QB shouldn't have that much time to throw the ball. Ware was close, but close didn't help on that play.

 

[Rack]

You are a very wise man Adam, but you are wrong on this one.

That was all Keith Davis on that play... Nguyen had coverage on McCardell in front of him and Davis tried to jump the route and McCardell went right past Davis for the TD.

Davis should have kept McCardell in front of him...

David tried to jump the route but ran into Nguyen instead. Brees had too much time to throw on that play though. He did a good job of buying himself some time.