Patience and Player Development

[CCBoy]

Thankfully none of us as fans are in charge of the Cowboys roster. Because most fans have zero patience for a bedrock of NFL success: Having the patience and skill to let a player develop. Because very few players arrive in the NFL from a college program ready to immediately be what they were drafted to be.

Very few NFL players are ”plug and play” with immediate success upon entry. Very few NFL players just walk in the door from their college campus and immediately play lights out. It is a transition. The difference between the quality of play in the NFL and college football is off the charts. Many players coming out of college have the potential to be really good…IF… a team has the patience and coaching talent to develop them into their potential.

Look at the list of great Cowboys players who were neither immediate starters much less stars immediately. In fact all these guys were “developmental players” who took a few years to develop:

• Rayfield Wright
• Roger Staubach
• Nate Newton
• Jay Novacek
• Mark Tunei
• Tony Romo
• DeMarcus Lawrence

Yes there are tons of great cowboys players who are immediate impact guys- like Bob Lily, Mel Renfro, Bob Hayes. Tony Dorsett, Michael Irvin, Randy White, Larry Allen, and many others. But most players need a little time to develop. Some may even take 3 years. Even greats like Troy and Cedee Lamb had some growing pains.

As we end the regular season, this is a reminder that some of the young guys on this team may be better than they appear. And there may be some sleeper guy on a PS that’s just waiting to be developed.

Bob Lilly and Randy White both took 3 seasons to truly arrive as top shelf tough.

 

[1942willys]

Bob Lilly and Randy White both took 3 seasons to truly arrive as top shelf tough.

Bob Lilly served notice what he was the first year
and once Manster was at DT he did as well
so frankly those comparisons dodnot hold water

 

[CCBoy]

Sorry man- The Carolina Panthers…the NFL’s worst team would smoke Michigan, Alabama, Washington or Texas…or any college team you want to select. The talent difference between the NFL and college football is huge.

For that very reason it’s important when looking at college highlight films to notice who the opponent is. Some of these highlights of college players are being made against college kids from some directional school like (fake name) North Dakota Tech State A&M that will never even be a camp body at an NFL training camp.

No the quality of NFL football is light years better than college.

Especially today...this rear's crop of big guys are going to struggle some to get into NFL player strengths. Their real bases for both power and NFL skills will be tough for this year's crop.

 

[jazzcat22]

It would have to be a quantum leap from what he is now to be serviceable.

Like was stated in the OP. Glad none of us runs the team. You just proved his point.

 

[jazzcat22]

Then Aaron Donald in his contract year!!!!!!!!!!!

And close to retirement.

 

[CCBoy]

Bob Lilly served notice what he was the first year
and once Manster was at DT he did as well
so frankly those comparisons dodnot hold water

Go back and relearn the process with skill level. This isn't chip in hero worship...blowhart.

Two at linebacker first, for Randy White. He still holds South Texas teaching schools....ask Ranching about drinking beers with him.

Lilly began his career as a defensive end in 1961, but midway through 1963, his third season, Cowboys coach Tom Landry moved him to defensive tackle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lilly

White was the Dallas Cowboys' first pick and the second player selected in the 1975 NFL Draft, and was moved to middle linebacker, where he was a backup to Cowboy legend Lee Roy Jordan, playing mostly on special teams his first two seasons, including his rookie season when Dallas lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl X.[citation needed]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_White_(American_football)

Now, roll over, eat crap, and die in that order!

 

[1942willys]

Go back and relearn the process with skill level. This isn't chip in hero worship...blowhart.

Two at linebacker first, for Randy White. He still holds South Texas teaching schools....ask Ranching about drinking beers with him.

Lilly began his career as a defensive end in 1961, but midway through 1963, his third season, Cowboys coach Tom Landry moved him to defensive tackle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lilly

Now, roll over, eat crap, and die in that order!

And he showed stuff even at DE that Mazi has not. AND I did say once Manster was at DT he shined right away.
You need to not think that google and wiki has everything that matters
I read some books, one by Steve Perkins who was the cowboys beat writer from the beginning, and he gave many details I am sure you have no clue on

 

[Bobhaze]

Sure would be fun to find out. A lot of people would watch. The NFL and college would make a ton of money if there was a game. The players could all share the money. Better yet, a winner take all the money. If the college team wins, they get it all. If the college team covers the spread, they get 67%. It would be one of the most watched football games ever. The hype would be fun. Better than a Pro Bowl.

Better than a Pro Bowl for sure. The pro bowl is the absolute worst garbage out there. Haven’t watched for over 20 years! Preseason games are slightly better and that’s even tough to watch!

 

[nightrain]

Good thread, Hazy. You can't sustain a competitive roster in the NFL without drafting and developing late round or undrafted diamonds in the rough. The amount of effort that goes into scouting and developing players is astounding. The Cowboys have always been exceptionally good at this.

The 1st and 2nd round are where you need to get contributors out of the gate. The Cowboys have not had much success with 2nd round picks of late as we all know.

 

[CCBoy]

And he showed stuff even at DE that Mazi has not. AND I did say once Manster was at DT he shined right away.
You need to not think that google and wiki has everything that matters
I read some books, one by Steve Perkins who was the cowboys beat writer from the beginning, and he gave many details I am sure you have no clue on

Just shut up! Become a St. Jude contributor or read:'America's Team' The Official History of the Dallas Cowboys - by Jeff Sullivan

Quit being uninformed...referenced source was provided for both players...I hear your Mommy calling. It's getting closer to super time for you.

Oh, and Wikipedia doesn't lie for your sweet butt...

 

[Chuck 54]

Thankfully none of us as fans are in charge of the Cowboys roster. Because most fans have zero patience for a bedrock of NFL success: Having the patience and skill to let a player develop. Because very few players arrive in the NFL from a college program ready to immediately be what they were drafted to be.

Very few NFL players are ”plug and play” with immediate success upon entry. Very few NFL players just walk in the door from their college campus and immediately play lights out. It is a transition. The difference between the quality of play in the NFL and college football is off the charts. Many players coming out of college have the potential to be really good…IF… a team has the patience and coaching talent to develop them into their potential.

Look at the list of great Cowboys players who were neither immediate starters much less stars immediately. In fact all these guys were “developmental players” who took a few years to develop:

• Rayfield Wright
• Roger Staubach
• Nate Newton
• Jay Novacek
• Mark Tunei
• Tony Romo
• DeMarcus Lawrence

Yes there are tons of great cowboys players who are immediate impact guys- like Bob Lily, Mel Renfro, Bob Hayes. Tony Dorsett, Michael Irvin, Randy White, Larry Allen, and many others. But most players need a little time to develop. Some may even take 3 years. Even greats like Troy and Cedee Lamb had some growing pains.

As we end the regular season, this is a reminder that some of the young guys on this team may be better than they appear. And there may be some sleeper guy on a PS that’s just waiting to be developed.

Agreed, but sometimes it’s also getting the player into the right system that fits him. Not all great players would be great in any system or on any team.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The 1st and 2nd round are where you need to get contributors out of the gate. The Cowboys have not had much success with 2nd round picks of late as we all know.

Every draft has about 15-25 top tier players. There is not much separation in talent for the players drafted in rounds 2-4. There is even less separation in talent for players drafted in rounds 5-7 and the UFAs.

The top tier players are gifted practice reps with the first team and playing time. The rest usually get 2nd or 3rd string reps and limited playing time.

A lot of the time, it just comes down to opportunity at practice reps and game time. Some players earn it. Some players get lucky with opportunities coming with injuries.

 

[1942willys]

Just shut up! Become a St. Jude contributor or read:'America's Team' The Official History of the Dallas Cowboys - by Jeff Sullivan

Quit being uninformed...referenced source was provided for both players...I hear your Mommy calling. It's getting closer to super time for you.

Oh, and Wikipedia doesn't lie for your sweet butt...

I will take Steve Perkins Drive To Win over anything you claim

and it just goes to show you how little you know since you are clearly unaware of how biased and a joke so much of wiki is; it has no editors or anyone to try and make sure anything is right
only a moron thinks its so accurate

 

[CCBoy]

I don’t believe the premise that most college football players are not ready for the NFL. In fact, I would guess that there are a lot of college players who practice and train as much as the pros. Now, even the college players are getting money. The college game has changed so much. Parsons dominated starting in camp.

If there were a game between a pro team and the top college team, I would expect it to be competitive with the top college team losing by about 10 points.

I think a team of the top college players for that year with 3 weeks of practice together, would beat an NFL team drafting in the top 8.

For many new players, it is a matter of getting practice reps and an opportunity to play.

They use to play a college stars game against a NFL team regularly every year. Nope, the Pros kicked butt 99.9% of the time.

 

[CCBoy]

Things are so very different nowadays; you cannot stash people on the roster for years and develope them because of FA and the Cap.
And you should NEVER pick a developmental player in the first rd.
I wanted a bit NT for years but to pick one that needs so much improvement in the first rd is just plain DUMB

Silly boy, take top player on the team board all the rest has been fully discussed by coaching staff and scouts.

 

[1942willys]

Silly boy, take top player on the team board all the rest has been fully discussed by coaching staff and scouts.

Wow you act like a three year old who got their bottle taken away.

Taco was fully discussed by coaching staff and scouts as well so that kind of pisses all over your claim

 

[CCBoy]

I will take Steve Perkins Drive To Win over anything you claim

and it just goes to show you how little you know since you are clearly unaware of how biased and a joke so much of wiki is; it has no editors or anyone to try and make sure anything is right
only a moron thinks its so accurate

Oh for sure, stud...take what you wish. By all means...yea, go ahead....you bet...

Oh yea, Mount up with your regulators now!

 

[1942willys]

Oh for sure, stud...take what you wish. By all means...yea, go ahead....you bet...

Oh yea, Mount up with your regulators now!

DO you actually know how to have an intelligent debate or are you so insecure that anytime anyone disagrees with him you become a three year old?

 

[CCBoy]

Wow you act like a three year old who got their bottle taken away.

Taco was fully discussed by coaching staff and scouts as well so that kind of pisses all over your claim

Try taking the marbles out of your mouth when your lips are moving...dingo buster.

Better, yet - shut up! Crap head!

Couldn't handle the mount, huh...blowhart. Stick to giving to Danny Thomas's Hospital. Do something real, quiver lips.

 

[1942willys]

Oh for sure, stud...take what you wish. By all means...yea, go ahead....you bet...

Oh yea, Mount up with your regulators now!

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