Patriot Player Arrested Then Aids Sting

[adamknite]

Fact: Harshest penalty in the history of the NFL.

It was the biggest fine, ever given to a coach in NFL history. That doesn't mean it's the harshest penalty. I'd say missing a whole years worth of pay checks would top that.

500k represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary

He was fined 12% of his 2007 salary, Pacman was suspended and lost 100% of his 2007 salary.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It was the biggest fine, ever given to a coach in NFL history. That doesn't mean it's the harshest penalty. I'd say missing a whole years worth of pay checks would top that.

500k represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary

He was fined 12% of his 2007 salary, Pacman was suspended and lost 100% of his 2007 salary.

Which was more than $500k.

 

[AbeBeta]

It was the biggest fine, ever given to a coach in NFL history. That doesn't mean it's the harshest penalty. I'd say missing a whole years worth of pay checks would top that.

500k represents 12 percent of Belichick's scheduled 2007 salary

He was fined 12% of his 2007 salary, Pacman was suspended and lost 100% of his 2007 salary.

I was referring to the loss of a first round draft pick.

I think we can all agree that the loss of a draft pick is far more important that $$$ to most NFL teams

 

[adamknite]

I was referring to the loss of a first round draft pick.

I think we can all agree that the loss of a draft pick is far more important that $$$ to most NFL teams

That was given to the Patriots. If Belicheck would have went to the Chiefs in the offseason, the Chiefs wouldn't have lost a first round pick.

Edit: I misspelled Chiefs? DOH, also, I mean after he got caught.

 

[dogberry]

I havn't had to deal with pain personally. Are there any comments on athletic pain outlasting the pain medication?

 

[AbeBeta]

That was given to the Patriots. If Belicheck would have went to the Chiefs in the offseason, the Chiefs wouldn't have lost a first round pick.

Edit: I misspelled Chiefs? DOH

This was an action carried out by the team and team employees.

The loss of a first round draft pick remains the worst sanction any team received. That it wasn't Bellicheck that received a SPECIFIC penalty that you deem harsh enough doesn't really have any relevance. Belli wasn't the only person involved in this - people from all over the organization were involved and the organization received the stiffest punishment in league history.

 

[AdamJT13]

I think we can all agree that the loss of a draft pick is far more important that $$$ to most NFL teams

The loss of a draft pick was mitigated by the extra cap room they had because they didn't have to pay that first-round draft pick. Basically, instead of drafting a rookie, they could add a proven veteran for the same price (or use the extra cap room in another way). Granted, a veteran who makes as much as a late first-round draft pick might not be as good as that first-round pick and probably won't be around as long, but he also is less likely to be a complete bust.

Goodell SHOULD have taken away the amount of cap room that would have been spent each season on that first-round draft pick (who would have signed a four- or five-year contract). THAT would have been a harsh penalty. What they actually got wasn't really as bad as it looks at first glance.

 

[trickblue]

The loss of a draft pick was mitigated by the extra cap room they had because they didn't have to pay that first-round draft pick. Basically, instead of drafting a rookie, they could add a proven veteran for the same price (or use the extra cap room in another way). Granted, a veteran who makes as much as a late first-round draft pick might not be as good as that first-round pick and probably won't be around as long, but he also is less likely to be a complete bust.

Goodell SHOULD have taken away the amount of cap room that would have been spent each season on that first-round draft pick (who would have signed a four- or five-year contract). THAT would have been a harsh penalty. What they actually got wasn't really as bad as it looks at first glance.

That and that had a high first rounder anyway...

 

[AbeBeta]

The loss of a draft pick was mitigated by the extra cap room they had because they didn't have to pay that first-round draft pick. Basically, instead of drafting a rookie, they could add a proven veteran for the same price (or use the extra cap room in another way). Granted, a veteran who makes as much as a late first-round draft pick might not be as good as that first-round pick and probably won't be around as long, but he also is less likely to be a complete bust.

Goodell SHOULD have taken away the amount of cap room that would have been spent each season on that first-round draft pick (who would have signed a four- or five-year contract). THAT would have been a harsh penalty. What they actually got wasn't really as bad as it looks at first glance.

You really think the player's union would allow that? You know they wouldn't

 

[YosemiteSam]

The loss of a draft pick was mitigated by the extra cap room they had because they didn't have to pay that first-round draft pick. Basically, instead of drafting a rookie, they could add a proven veteran for the same price (or use the extra cap room in another way). Granted, a veteran who makes as much as a late first-round draft pick might not be as good as that first-round pick and probably won't be around as long, but he also is less likely to be a complete bust.

Goodell SHOULD have taken away the amount of cap room that would have been spent each season on that first-round draft pick (who would have signed a four- or five-year contract). THAT would have been a harsh penalty. What they actually got wasn't really as bad as it looks at first glance.

I think they should have taken the higher of the two draft picks (49ers pick) and then did what you said with the cap space.

 

[AdamJT13]

You really think the player's union would allow that? You know they wouldn't

Maybe not. But that's why the punishment wasn't actually that severe.

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe not. But that's why the punishment wasn't actually that severe.

Of course, for any team that does a good job managing the cap, the loss of the cap room from that first round slot would be absorbed pretty easily.

Frankly, I think if you ask any GM in the league if they'd rather have a 1 or a little more cap room for a mid-level free agent, you'd get a unanimous vote for the first rounder. Few would be shouting "whoopedeedee, now we've got money to pay Jason Webster!"

 

[CrazyCowboy]

If true, you can bet this will hurt the Pats.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ethics? The man was selling drugs. The guy is heading to jail because he has no ethics. I don't know about your ethics, but the judicial systems finds selling drugs not only unethical, but against the law.

You believe it's *ethical* to protect a drug dealer? You are right about one thing, he did purchase them. Does that make the dealer any less wrong? I don't think so. One mans dumb decision doesn't make another man's ethical. I believe it was the ETHICAL thing to do. No telling how many other people are buying drugs from this guy and if any will destroy their lives or just flatout OD from those drugs.

You seem to miss the point of what ethics are.

Ethics are a system one uses to govern the decisions one makes. thus me saying my personal ethic of not throwing others under the bus to save myself. Its called holding responsibility for your own actions and not shifting blame onto someone else.

You have no clue. You have to be a moron to OD on oxycontin. You cannot really rig it up and eating that many pills is an act of someone who willingly WANTS to kill themselves. Spare me this ruining lives garbage. Itis so very clear that you have no frame of reference of what you are talking about and are just spouting the typical mindless 1980s style propaganda.

Hes a football player. He gets paid to hit and be hit by people for a living. Skeletal muscle relaxers such as these help alleviate the pain and soreness associated with such activities.

it was obviously not 'ruining' his life. He is a professional athlete and did it ever occur to you that their use is prominent in the NFL? Naive should be the word of the day.

Lets be straight here. This guy didnt turn rat out of some sense of civic duty. He did it so he could save his own skin and there is absolutely nothing noble about that.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Changing subject comes with price for Pats

June 4, 2008 6:04 PM


Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

As much as the Patriots were looking forward to changing the subject from Spygate at their minicamp beginning Friday, it's safe to assume they weren't looking foward to talking about the illegal possession of prescription painkillers.

Right tackle Nick Kaczur's reported arrest and work as an informant is dominating headlines in Boston. How he handles the situation could have great sway over what the story becomes for the Patriots.

Brett Favre became a sympathetic figure when he came clean about a reliance on pain killers more than a decade ago. We don't know if Kaczur has any such problem or if he has been implicated fairly. The courts will figure out that part. But we do know honesty in the beginning can head off bigger problems in the future.

Football is brutal on the body. A veteran offensive lineman told me this week that he knows he'll pay a heavy price for the long list of knee, ankle, hand, finger, shoulder, back and foot injuries that come with the job. Pain medication and anti-inflammatories are part of life for many of those guys. The lure of taking prescription-caliber medication to play through injuries must be strong for players who could find themselves out of work, and suddenly without six- or seven-figure salaries, if they miss playing time.

Kaczur has yet to comment publicly except for telling reporters he had no idea what they were talking about. He'll have plenty of time in the future to explain his side of the story. What he says and how he says it could have lasting implications.


Patriots, Nick Kaczur, Spygate

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[theebs]

EXACTLY - I am particularly interested in the punishment levied out here.

Did you notice he was arrested in whitestown? RIght in your backyard!!!

that is bills country. The cops are probably bills fans....! They will stick it to him.