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[kartr]

David Givens is a life long WR.
Get your facts straight.

He went to high school at Humble near Houston then on to Notre Dame.
He was a sleeper for me coming out of that draft due to having solid hands and great size.
He was hurt by Notre Dame having such a poor passing attack at that point.

Splitting hairs, that's really weak. The bottom line is he is a 7th round draft pick and Bledsoe has 2 first rounders. Brady also has had numerous OL,DL,db injuries and still overcomes. Carter also had injuries and ineffective play by his teammates in 2003 and still overcame. Carter was sacked 5 times by the Browns in the first half and led his team to a road win. Carter was knocked out of the Cardinals game in the first quarter and came back to throw the winning td on the road. Players play and imposters like Bledsoe have always got an excuse. I'm not saying Carter is on the same level as Brady before you jump on that, I'm saying that winning qb's always find a way to win and Carter and Brady both have won more than they've lost in their careers,unlike Bledsoe.

 

[superpunk]

I would have signed Jeff Blake to replace Bollinger with, at least he's a pro-bowl like year or two. Do you really think it's smart to have Bollinger over Blake or even Kordell Stewart on your roster?

So it's not just Quincy? You've got it bad for ANY black, semi-mobile QB? They drafted Bollinger, they obviously think he's got promise. But when he went down, they didn't even give Q a call! Instead, they went with grandpa Testaverde! Your love affair with Quincy is really unbelievable. Are you Quincy?

 

[RCowboyFan]

Did you fail 7th grade English?

You took and placed in bold some nonsense I did not write.

MY quote was the only way we get better is to block better. I did not say that redundant nonsense you placed in bold.

Its really hard to take people seriously if they can't read 1 line.

Read before you post; or at least before you try and quote.

Yeah, I guess it took two times to post before you reallized what I posted, I sure should take you seriously indeed. I give you that you said, only way to get better to block better, and basically interpreted that. I guess to get better didn't mean better blocking? Well I guess you told us.

Anyway, its obvious, we all have to hail your genious, and mastery of the english language.

 

[RCowboyFan]

So now Bledsoe's job is to coach and call plays???

Get real dude. Seriously.

Parcells knew we couldn't open it up repeatedly without exposing the horrid OL play. In fact he repeated that mantra all week in the press conference.

Do you even follow this team and whats going on, or just spout off about how much of genius you are?

It was reported that Bledsoe talked to Bill and Payton again this week, about how to get off to a better start. I guess you should talk to Bledsoe about him not being a coach...

 

[Clove]

So it's not just Quincy? You've got it bad for ANY black, semi-mobile QB? They drafted Bollinger, they obviously think he's got promise. But when he went down, they didn't even give Q a call! Instead, they went with grandpa Testaverde! Your love affair with Quincy is really unbelievable. Are you Quincy?

I think Katr's point is, we all know what the real deal was with Quincy Carter and the majority of the Cowboys fans (I don't need to say it). Quincy would have never succeded in this type of Town/State.

The fans didn't like him from day 1 - the fans were pulling for Hutchinson to win over QC, and I wonder why?

QC went into that season and became a Parcells groupie - he did everything Parcells asked of him. People back then didn't want to blame the line or the receivers or the running back, but now that it's all American Bledsoe, we have a thousand excuses for this guy.

Us Cowboys fans are some horrible people sometimes. Right after Carter had taken us to a playoff, that following season when VT came in, there were people saying that Carter is scared now that a real QB is in town.

Well guess what? VT gave us squat! Truth Hurts!

Somehow, this stupid talking, duck throwing, drug sniffin, no snap handling idiot, found a way to win 10 games in a season and took us to the playoffs.

Meanwhile; This tall, handsome, strong arm, well spoken, Aikman cloan (Bledsoe that is) just has too many sorry linemen, and runners that can't get yards, and receivers that are too slow, and this, and that, and this and that.

I don't give a **** who plays QB, wether it's Bledsoe/Quincy/ or Jet li playing QB for us, I want wins.

I say, keep Bledsoe and draft the kid from USC even if you have to give up picks for the followling year to do it. Let him sit under Bledsoe for a year, and then send Bledsoe packing. This kid Matt (or whomever else you think will be a great franchise QB) will be running the league here in Dallas (or Arlington) for the next 12 years. "Get er done Jerry"

 

[jimmy40]

I think Katr's point is, we all know what the real deal was with Quincy Carter and the majority of the Cowboys fans (I don't need to say it). Quincy would have never succeded in this type of Town/State.

The fans didn't like him from day 1 - the fans were pulling for Hutchinson to win over QC, and I wonder why?

QC went into that season and became a Parcells groupie - he did everything Parcells asked of him. People back then didn't want to blame the line or the receivers or the running back, but now that it's all American Bledsoe, we have a thousand excuses for this guy.

Us Cowboys fans are some horrible people sometimes. Right after Carter had taken us to a playoff, that following season when VT came in, there were people saying that Carter is scared now that a real QB is in town.

Well guess what? VT gave us squat! Truth Hurts!

Somehow, this stupid talking, duck throwing, drug sniffin, no snap handling idiot, found a way to win 10 games in a season and took us to the playoffs.

Meanwhile; This tall, handsome, strong arm, well spoken, Aikman cloan (Bledsoe that is) just has too many sorry linemen, and runners that can't get yards, and receivers that are too slow, and this, and that, and this and that.

I don't give a **** who plays QB, wether it's Bledsoe/Quincy/ or Jet li playing QB for us, I want wins.

I say, keep Bledsoe and draft the kid from USC even if you have to give up picks for the followling year to do it. Let him sit under Bledsoe for a year, and then send Bledsoe packing. This kid Matt (or whomever else you think will be a great franchise QB) will be running the league here in Dallas (or Arlington) for the next 12 years. "Get er done Jerry"

I didn't like Quincy because he sucked, but that's just me.

 

[superpunk]

Somehow, this stupid talking, duck throwing, drug sniffin, no snap handling idiot, found a way to win 10 games in a season and took us to the playoffs.

Actually, our weak schedule, combined with #1 defense, found a way to get us 10 wins and into the playoffs. We made it there in spite of QC, not because of him.

 

[Clove]

Actually, our weak schedule, combined with #1 defense, found a way to get us 10 wins and into the playoffs. We made it there in spite of QC, not because of him.

My point exactly - All American Bledsoe

 

[Clove]

My point is, who cares who the QB is, we want to go to the super bowl, and that should be what all fans want and who puts us there. Personally, I would have drafted a QB the first year Bill was here. I don't think Carter/Hutchinson/Testaverde/Bledsoe/Romo/Henson or any of these bums can get us there.

We need a Super Star QB.

 

[superpunk]

My point exactly - All American Bledsoe

I could give a rats behind about Bledsoe. I didn't want him on this team. I'm tired of retreads. But I'm not so naive to think that QC had much of anything to do with us getting 10 wins. 58% completion, 17 Tds, 21 INTs. Those are some crap numbers. We made the playoffs in 2003 because of our #1 defense, and our weak schedule. That's it. This year, we have an incredibly tough schedule, a mid-range defense in it's first year of a new scheme, and an offensive line that couldn't block my grandma. IN SPITE of all that, Bledsoe has us in position to get into the playoffs, and he has some pretty decent numbers to boot.

 

[Clove]

I could give a rats behind about Bledsoe. I didn't want him on this team. I'm tired of retreads. But I'm not so naive to think that QC had much of anything to do with us getting 10 wins. 58% completion, 17 Tds, 21 INTs. Those are some crap numbers. We made the playoffs in 2003 because of our #1 defense, and our weak schedule. That's it. This year, we have an incredibly tough schedule, a mid-range defense in it's first year of a new scheme, and an offensive line that couldn't block my grandma. IN SPITE of all that, Bledsoe has us in position to get into the playoffs, and he has some pretty decent numbers to boot.

I could care less about numbers, except us having the highest number of wins at the end of the year.

Bledsoe is not the one to get us there (Book that!) Brady gets it done. Brady is a mobil quarterback (yeah I said it) He steps to his right, or to his left. He runs around some of the pressure, while looking downfield to find receivers.

He anticipates pressure and he releases the ball quickly and on time. Aikman never had steller numbers in his career, but he was calm and made quick decisions and was incredibly accurate.

Bledsoe skips the ball in front of his receivers. Over throws all the time, he can't seem to hit (TE Campbell) with a soft low pass coming out of the backfield.

He waits, and waits, and waits, and waits until the cornerbacks are tired of covering for 10 seconds releasing there receiver, and that's when Bledsoe throws the ball.

The proof is there. New England/Buffalo.

 

[superpunk]

I would rather have someone other than Bledsoe at QB. But who ya gonna call? Realize that we did not get 10 wins in 2003 because of the play of our QB. With QC, we would be horrible this year! There were no better options last year, we'll see about this year. When we protected Drew, and when our defense was playing well, he was among the best QBs in the league, and it sure looked like we'd get a bit more than 10 wins. That has all fallen apart now, and here we stand.

 

[Clove]

I would rather have someone other than Bledsoe at QB. But who ya gonna call? Realize that we did not get 10 wins in 2003 because of the play of our QB. With QC, we would be horrible this year! There were no better options last year, we'll see about this year. When we protected Drew, and when our defense was playing well, he was among the best QBs in the league, and it sure looked like we'd get a bit more than 10 wins. That has all fallen apart now, and here we stand.

What about the draft?

 

[tyke1doe]

How do I start this. Perhaps to say that when there is a Drew fan they never get over it. In New England, in Buffalo, next Dallas. You cannot tell these people anything. Drew is God.

Now for those of us that can think, we say, well, yeh, one week out of 5 he is great, but then he falls apart. We will never win long term, consistently, over the long haul.

Here is the clear and simple answer. Bledose is a great QB in terms of throwing the ball, hitting his first receiver (the one the coach tells him to throw to).

Now, if there is pressure, or gee he has to find a secondary receiver and see the whole field -- trouble. Happy feet time. Can not handle pressure. Cannot see the whole field or make on the fly decisions. My talent will overcome that. Yeh, one game out of ?????????

I often thought how is it possible that with the same team Bledsoe was losing and Brady comes in and wins the SB. I have given it thought. But the answer is quite simple. Bledsoe has talent sure (throwing wise better than Brady). But it takes much, much more to win. Brady, well better than OK talent. But guts, heart, determination, he sees the whole field, can adjust, is calm under pressure (took a nap before the SB), releases the ball quickly, elevates his play when the stakes get higher, etc. etc. Just one heck of a QB. So talent wise, meaning you can throw the ball, sure Bledsoe. But winning, well that's just another ball game. I am going to win, I am not going to lose. I am calm. I will do whatever is necessary, I am going to win. What is it in throwing a darn ball, I can do it, and I will win.

So welcome to the third Bledsoe team of pain. Some of you will forever sing his praises -- others will wake up and smell the roses in a very short period of time (like me in New England). He may go the the Hall of Fame, but you know what, he has not done a darn thing except throw the ball well on occassion. Gee. So what. Get off the field already.

That's all I have to say. For all you Bledsoe lovers, please don't wait for any SB -- NOT. In 1996 Bledsoe had Curtis Martin as a running back, Terry Glenn as a receiver, and Ben Coates as the Tight End, and the bum still could not win the SB. Bum, double bum. Over-rated. But oh, can he throw the ball!!!!!!!!

well, this is one Dallas fan who agrees with you.

 

[DipChit]

What about the draft?

Sure, but alot of it has to do with timing and circumstance. Yeah you can always grab a second, third or forth round guy and get lucky.

But if you're looking for a supposed blue chipper it helps to have a very high pick in the draft (duh). So ok, we had perhaps one chance at that lately with Leftwich and we passed. Who knows if that would have been the right move or not.

Plus supposedly for that first year they wanted to see what they had here some more anyway. Which was stupid really.. and then compounded by going and winning 10 games instead of 3 or 4 like probably should have happened but for a very rare set of circumstances. Maybe then we're sitting here with Manning.

This year we aint gonna be in a position to do it unless you want to do some serious trading. But that can end up backfiring. What if the guy turns out to be another Tim Couch or Akili Smith or Ryan Leaf?

It's bad enough when you bust out on one of those guys with a single pick you "earned". But if you trade some stuff to have the "luxury" of getting burned it's even worse.

 

[Pats Fan]

Well fans of the Boys. I was right in one regard. The lovers and haters of Bledsoe.

Bledsoe fans = it is the offensive line. Well, how long should Bledsoe be allowed to have "happy feet" before it is his fault instead of the OL. That used to be the excuse for Bledsoe in New England. It's not his fault. Bledsoe gone, we start winning, sorry same OL. You have to get rid of the ball boys and girls. You have to move a little. Anticipate. Marino, the best at releasing the ball quickly. Forget the OL, who needed one with him????

Non Bledsoe fans = you see the light. And what is more difficult is that the guy does a great job every once in a while. That is a problem because the team does not know who is going to show up that day for the game. If you know you have a bum for a QB, the defense has a way of stepping up. On again, off again, maybe I will, maybe I won't. Gee.

I am not trying to knock your team, heck I am an AFC fan. Period. But you have a great tradition in Dallas. Aikman and Stauback (spelling??) were really good QB's. It just bugs me that Bledsoe gets one once of credit. You have no idea how happy I was when he was gone. Good-night Irene. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

As far as the QB, it is the most important position on the team. The leader. In New England we have always done a lousy job at drafting running backs. But year in and year out we draft QB's. Some make it, others find the door. I would never minimize the importance of the QB. A good QB can make up for a lot of problems on your team.

Not to start a new thread, but you know who I like as a new good young QB. Carson Palmer. We played them last year and I was really impressed with the kid. He has "got it". So you keep drafting them, hoping for a guy like Brady or Palmer. In the NFC, I have always liked McNabb, followed him in his college career at Syracuse. That poor guy has been carrying his team for years. I like the guy. I think they could have won the SB last year, but the guy just ran out of gas.

Well, off. It was interesting, but what I expected. Drew fans. Others that know.

 

[Paniolo22]

Well fans of the Boys. I was right in one regard. The lovers and haters of Bledsoe.

Bledsoe fans = it is the offensive line. Well, how long should Bledsoe be allowed to have "happy feet" before it is his fault instead of the OL. That used to be the excuse for Bledsoe in New England. It's not his fault. Bledsoe gone, we start winning, sorry same OL. You have to get rid of the ball boys and girls. You have to move a little. Anticipate. Marino, the best at releasing the ball quickly. Forget the OL, who needed one with him????

Non Bledsoe fans = you see the light. And what is more difficult is that the guy does a great job every once in a while. That is a problem because the team does not know who is going to show up that day for the game. If you know you have a bum for a QB, the defense has a way of stepping up. On again, off again, maybe I will, maybe I won't. Gee.

I am not trying to knock your team, heck I am an AFC fan. Period. But you have a great tradition in Dallas. Aikman and Stauback (spelling??) were really good QB's. It just bugs me that Bledsoe gets one once of credit. You have no idea how happy I was when he was gone. Good-night Irene. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

As far as the QB, it is the most important position on the team. The leader. In New England we have always done a lousy job at drafting running backs. But year in and year out we draft QB's. Some make it, others find the door. I would never minimize the importance of the QB. A good QB can make up for a lot of problems on your team.

Not to start a new thread, but you know who I like as a new good young QB. Carson Palmer. We played them last year and I was really impressed with the kid. He has "got it". So you keep drafting them, hoping for a guy like Brady or Palmer. In the NFC, I have always liked McNabb, followed him in his college career at Syracuse. That poor guy has been carrying his team for years. I like the guy. I think they could have won the SB last year, but the guy just ran out of gas.

Well, off. It was interesting, but what I expected. Drew fans. Others that know.

I guess I'm like most cowboy fans, I like Bledsoe when he plas well, and am pissed at him when he doesn't. Comparing him to Brady at this point is ridiculous, TB is clearly superior. But its not like we have many options. If you can't admit that this has been our best option in years, you haven't been watching the games. As far as Carter goes, the only problems I had with hime were- he couldn't throw passes accurately, he wouldn't run when he could have, and his decision making was pretty terrible. Other than that....uh......well, he was better than Hutch thats for sure.

 

[jterrell]

Indy has lost one game...Apples and Oranges...

and it is always the o-lines fault with Bledsoe isn't it

LOL

we can't run because we can't pass and we can't pass because we can't run

take away his deep threat with 2 and you can rush 9...they get to him easy...

then later in the game they got the o-line so back on there heels that they show 9 and rush 2 and get to Bledsoe because he still is looking down field

The guy wants to make the play and in his mind that play is downfield... the further the game gets out of hand the more down field he looks...

He still locks onto receivers after 13 years... refuses to read a defense/take what the defense offers.. makes way more than his share of boneheaded plays and adds incredible pressure to an offense let alone the offensive line

He is easy prey for a defense... there is little to the guy outside of his arm that is worth having like I said before ...the guy can throw it...a million dollar arm but the rest of him isn't worth .10 cents

Get a QB in here that can throw the slant...that can throw the crossing routes...that will back those LB's off and next thing ya know ya can run the ball... it really is that easy it is just that Bledsoe makes it impossible

honestly this is just pathetic from someone I thought paid attention.

If you saw the Washington game they only defended the run with 7 and we still couldn't get much going. The announcers brought it up many times.

Drew has his faults but no one can lay blame on last week's loss on him. He really had no chance to run the plays that were called due to pressure.

As for Indy you are right. They have lost 1 game. The 1 game they didn't block for Peyton. Amazing how that happens. Kinda like how we were 7-3 when we were blocking better up front. Or how KC sucked when Raof was out. Or how Pitt who has been a top 5 rushing team was horrid minus their starting LT that one season. LT is a franchise position and it severely affects the outcome of games.

Bledsoe has shown this season if you block for him he will score you points. Not FGs but TDs. This team has not had a guy throw TD passes like that in ages and yet all we get are nonsensical whines about his play. good grief.

There really is no point in debating this further.
Bledsoe is what he is and he is a capable NFL QB. We are however starting at least 2 guys on the OL who are not capable of doing their job at all right now due to some combination of inexperience and injury. Rob isn't just a 6th round rookie, he also has a beat up body.

Bledsoe leaving sure didn't help McGahee. In fact McGahee has had markedly less success this year. One could easily surmise that is because the defenses they face now stop him first as opposed to stopping Bledsoe. Travis Henry who was looking like a young stud whith Bledsoe passing now rides pine in Tennessee where franchise QB McNair resides. He didn't beenfit from the change of scenery.

Not only that but alot of vets have voiced concerns over Bledsoe being let go this season to the extent it has caused friction in Buffalo's clubhouse.

 

[jterrell]

when did Rogers get hurt? and why was there no contingency plan like Bill says he is always working on?

and there was certainly no need to force feed anything as there was tackles available...

Rogers got hurt in pre-season which is still THIS season and that means our designated tackles have now missed a season and a half. You can add in Rivera missing all pre-season and looking about 75% of his previous self and Al Johnson battling injury all year. The only starter who has been healthy is the guy who made the Pro Bowl.

There were not an abundance of tackles out there. We have brought in like a dozen now for workouts or interviews and shuffled through many of them.

BP didn't have a backup plan at many positions just as most teams dont. Its called a salary cap. Try putting your thinking version on and this stuff wont be so sophmoric. Petitti became the backup plan and that was working out OK as long as the left side was strong enough to allow Rob a little help with the TE and backs.

I am fully willing to bet you Torrin Tucker does not start at LT next year for any team in the NFL while Drew Bledsoe does start at QB.

Just like our secondary has went to the crapper minus a healthy Henry our OL stinks without the LT.

 

[jterrell]

Do you even follow this team and whats going on, or just spout off about how much of genius you are?

It was reported that Bledsoe talked to Bill and Payton again this week, about how to get off to a better start. I guess you should talk to Bledsoe about him not being a coach...

I know they asked to open up the offense and I know BP knew better because he told us so in his daily press conferences ALL WEEK.

BP gets paid 4 million to coach the team. Its HIS job to tell the players to shut up and execute the plays that are called.

When you see me post endorsing Drew Bledsoe or Keyshawn as our next head coach let me know. Until then, as usual, you have no point.