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[kojak]

How about bringing in a qb who can make his teammates better instead of one who needs to be over-protected. Brady won with the same team that Bledsoe couldn't get to the playoffs. He won with Antoine Smith and David Patten and David Givens who was a 7th round converted running back.

Well because that's not going to happen now. He has already been signed and I don't see him going anywhere while parcells is here.

So the question is. Since we have him here, what is Parcells going to do with this team to try and win with Drew as QB?

 

[kartr]

Most QB's are the same way. That's why Parcells has been adamant about building together a good team instead of relying on some unbelievable QB to make up for other deficiencies.

Y'know, it could just be that both Buffalo and Dallas just happened to have bad O-Lines when he played for them.

And the fact still remains, the O-Line was bad before he ever stepped foot in Big D. And despite that, he's still put up much better numbers than the past few QB's we've had here and still has compiled an 8-6 record despite being his first year with the team.

Rich.......

He won't repeat those numbers next year cause we'll be playing against the defenses of the AFC East and the NFC South, the two strongest defensive divisions other than the NFC East. This year he played against the NFC West which only has one good defensive team and the AFC West, which only has one good defensive team. How did he do against Seattle and Denver and NY and Washington, which are the two strongest defensive teams we played against in our division. Add his numbers up against those four teams and you'll see what we really have in Bledsoe. He was just 3-5 against those teams which is less than 50%. If the Eagles come back strong defensively next year, then we'll be in real trouble.

 

[kartr]

Then he should of never been brought in, if it's impossible to put elements around him to be sucessful. I guess that will be something to wait and see if Bill can figure out the puzzle.

So far 3 years, 3 diffrent QB's, all 3 diffrent styles of play, same O-line play. Doesn't seem to be working. So it's either bad luck, bad coaching, or both. Something gotta give because I am getting tired of hearing. We didn't block them good enough, we didn't execute very well today.....

The answer is that we wont make the playoffs with immobile qb's.

 

[kartr]

Its all his fault because he should be able to complete passes in .05 seconds to covered WRs.

If he isn't playing like Tom Brady he clearly sucks.

I keep hearing that he is having the same problems as other places YET it is ignored that he was the top rated QB in the NFC until just about when Flozell Adams his LT got injured.
:bang2:

Going into next year do you try recreate the 7-3 start or assume the OL will suck and go get a guy who can run around and keep you in games with no blocking???

His rating was based on the defenses he was facing, not who was blocking for him. Flozell's injury only revealed just how 'flawed' Bledsoe's game is. Strong defensive teams love to play against him and it doesn't matter what team he plays for, he's a easy mark.

 

[kartr]

no they are not...look at the numbers for Bledsoe's career

he has played 186 games

and in those games he has been sacked 441 for 2971 avg. per game 2.4

Good God man not many like that though Testy comes close

how about career % 57.3

INT's 195 avg. per game 1.05

Fumbles 118 avg per game .61

So this dud throws one int per game...fumbles every other game and gets sack almost 2 1/2 times per game!

Pee stinking U :blech:

now I have also told you he has finished last or next to last 8 out of 11 years(not including this year or the year Brady took over) in his division
so he is not over time proven to be a winner...

His Oline's always sucks till he leaves

like I have been telling ya with him it is ALWAYS something or someone elses fault

Bravo! His line sucks til he leaves, that's just classic.

 

[kojak]

The answer is that we wont make the playoffs with immobile qb's.

Doesn't look that way

 

[kartr]

Carter, Carter, Carter.

Yeah, you're right. But what does that say about Bledsoe if a qb with a drug problem and less experience and lesser supporting casts can get his team to the playoffs while Bledsoe cannot.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Everyone knew that was bad signing due to Cowboys not having a good line etc. Yet you have the likes of you sitting here and crying about Bledsoe not getting protection. I guess maybe likes of you thought magically Cowboys OL will get all Pro throughout the line.

for how cheap we got Bledsoe, and how he compared to the other QBs available, in no way, can you say that Bledsoe was a bad signing, he had no expectations coming in, other than to drive the bus, look at the numbers, not half bad, and well worth what we gave up to acquire him

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, you're right. But what does that say about Bledsoe if a qb with a drug problem and less experience and lesser supporting casts can get his team to the playoffs while Bledsoe cannot.

All it says is that the circumstances are totally different.

I am not trying to defend Bledsoe, but your insistance that Carter could do it while he cannot makes no sense as you are comparing two different scenarios.

I will tell you this, with the type of protection we have around here right now, Carter would not be doing any better.

 

[superpunk]

Yeah, you're right. But what does that say about Bledsoe if a qb with a drug problem and less experience and lesser supporting casts can get his team to the playoffs while Bledsoe cannot.

To me it says, that Bledsoe has played a much tougher schedule, doesn't have the number 1 defense in the league, and has an Oline in shambles. But, that's just coming from someone who isn't completely obsessed with Quincy Carter, so, what do I know?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you good folk not pay any attention....

look defenses know they can just pin their ears back and go now...

why?

now how can you can answer that question... without using the o-line as an excuse?

now after you answer that correctly than we can talk about the o-line...

sheesh

it's not an excuse, it's a reality

and when an Oline isn't holding up their man, which our Oline definitely isn't, and WRs are taking a while to get off their man, and into their routes, that's a recipe for disaster for any QB, ESPECIALLY Bledsoe

 

[kartr]

For some people on here, everything always seems to come back to the blow addict who couldn't get a job in the league after his release from the Cowboys.


Go figure.[/QUOTE

And the league in its infinite wisdom is starting qb's and backup qb's and benching one after the other and then again,none of which are as good as Carter. That's what got Mooch fired;starting 2 qb's whom Carter owns(has beaten them 3 games to 1).]

 

[Alexander]

For some people on here, everything always seems to come back to the blow addict who couldn't get a job in the league after his release from the Cowboys.


Go figure.

And the league in its infinite wisdom is starting qb's and backup qb's and benching one after the other and then again,none of which are as good as Carter. That's what got Mooch fired;starting 2 qb's whom Carter owns(has beaten them 3 games to 1).]

You need therapy.

 

[superpunk]

[/QUOTE][And the league in its infinite wisdom is starting qb's and backup qb's and benching one after the other and then again,none of which are as good as Carter. That's what got Mooch fired;starting 2 qb's whom Carter owns(has beaten them 3 games to 1).][/QUOTE]

So the fact that the Jets, who actually gave Q a chance, and who have arguably the WORST situation in the entire league this year, didn't even give Q a call this year when their 1, 2 and 3 QBs went down, tells you nothing? But, you'll compare win-loss records of a couple players playing on a team that has shown itself to be competely incompetent over the past ten years? Makes a lot of sense to me. If Q was worth a damn, the Jets would have brought him back. he's not worth a damn, so they didn't.

 

[kojak]

For some people on here, everything always seems to come back to the blow addict who couldn't get a job in the league after his release from the Cowboys.


Go figure.[/QUOTE

And the league in its infinite wisdom is starting qb's and backup qb's and benching one after the other and then again,none of which are as good as Carter. That's what got Mooch fired;starting 2 qb's whom Carter owns(has beaten them 3 games to 1).]

 

[jterrell]

Dude, don't you see the same argument can be made for OL? How do you propose the OL be superior now? YOu got a plan to get Orlando Pace etc. to substitute for Pettiti and Tucker? If not then don't cry about how poor the protection is for Bledsoe.

Tucker and Pettiti are not High draft picks or even a Million Dollar guys.

Talk about not getting it

Oh one more point, never liked his signing and never will, so don't talk to me about knowing who he is before signing him. Everyone knew that was bad signing due to Cowboys not having a good line etc. Yet you have the likes of you sitting here and crying about Bledsoe not getting protection. I guess maybe likes of you thought magically Cowboys OL will get all Pro throughout the line.

Pretty easy.
Protection isn't limited to 1 guy but passing is.

You can max protect as we were doing earlier and winning.
You can keep backs and Tight Ends in to block.

The "likes of me" are the folks smart enough to realize the only way we get better is blocking better. We are not going to be able to magically make Bledsoe slippery and elusive but Tucker can give up less than 4 friggin sacks this week.

 

[Zaxor]

it's not an excuse, it's a reality

and when an Oline isn't holding up their man, which our Oline definitely isn't, and WRs are taking a while to get off their man, and into their routes, that's a recipe for disaster for any QB, ESPECIALLY Bledsoe

okay...then lets play it your way then..

who outside of Flo has missed significant time on the O-line...

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well now.....


so let us say that Bill MUST like this line because he chose to stick with it...there have been choices available....

so if it isn't the line?

 

[jterrell]

Do you good folk not pay any attention....

look defenses know they can just pin their ears back and go now...

why?

now how can you can answer that question... without using the o-line as an excuse?

now after you answer that correctly than we can talk about the o-line...

sheesh

You answer your own question.
The reason teams can pin their ears and come is because we can't A) run block and b) pass block.

San Diego did the same against Indy and I am pretty sure Peyton Manning doesn't suck.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Pretty easy.
Protection isn't limited to 1 guy but passing is.

You can max protect as we were doing earlier and winning.
You can keep backs and Tight Ends in to block.

The "likes of me" are the folks smart enough to realize the only way we get better is blocking better. We are not going to be able to magically make Bledsoe slippery and elusive but Tucker can give up less than 4 friggin sacks this week.

So do you stand in front of the mirror when you say that?

Then why Did Bledsoe and rest of Offense want Bill to open up? Maybe you should share your infinite wisdom to Bledsoe and his teammates

Geez, I thought you had some legitimate argument. But I guess I am not smart enough to understand your argument, [B]that to get better blocking is to block better[/B]. What a stroke of genius indeed.

 

[jterrell]

That's what I've been telling these guys all year long. He also had Willis Mcgahee/Travis Henry, plus Lee Evans,Josh Reed and Eric Moulds and the number 2 defense last year and still couldn't get it done.

And Buffalo is making the Super Bowl this year after going undefeated all regular season because getting rid of Drew Bledsoe proved so be such a great move.

And the Bills OL has gotten so much better with Drew one that even tho they added two key free agents on the OL McGahee has 8 less TDs and about 100 less yards with right at the same number of carries as last season.