Pat's Mankins

[Hostile]

The Patriots have 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds of the Draft. They are not going to Franchise Mankins.

 

[Kangaroo]

The franchsie tag is total bull **** anyway. They need to get rid of it

I disagree it works great they should limit how many times a player can be Franchised. The players get usually the amount of what there signing bonus would have been and once it is signed they are guaranteed that money.

Why players get bent over the tag I have no clue they want the bonus for long term but when you get 1 year at 15 million hell that is your signing bonus it makes no freakin since when the money is usually staggering high for them and if they play right they get that 16 million and can follow up with another 15-16 million signing bonus

 

[TwoCentPlain]

If memory serves me correct, this past season the Pats won even while Mankins held out. Plus, they have a slew of early round picks. They are not going to break the bank for this guy. It would be a bad business decision. They will replace him with one or two of their many early picks.

I doubt if they would even play and franchise tag and then pull the tag later games.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I disagree it works great they should limit how many times a player can be Franchised. The players get usually the amount of what there signing bonus would have been and once it is signed they are guaranteed that money.

Why players get bent over the tag I have no clue they want the bonus for long term but when you get 1 year at 15 million hell that is your signing bonus it makes no freakin since when the money is usually staggering high for them and if they play right they get that 16 million and can follow up with another 15-16 million signing bonus

I agree. Owners shouldn't be allowed to tag any player back to back seasons. Tenders are different, but franchise tags shouldn't be allowed back to back seasons

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I disagree it works great they should limit how many times a player can be Franchised. The players get usually the amount of what there signing bonus would have been and once it is signed they are guaranteed that money.

Why players get bent over the tag I have no clue they want the bonus for long term but when you get 1 year at 15 million hell that is your signing bonus it makes no freakin since when the money is usually staggering high for them and if they play right they get that 16 million and can follow up with another 15-16 million signing bonus

B/C it keeps teams from having to commit to players long-term. Its a tacky thing to do. The guy is good enough that you are willing to pay him like hes top 5 at his position but you wont give him a deal?

Sure, as a Cowboys fan I want the most amount of players available in FA since all these kids are Cowboys fans. But its really a lame move, especially when they want to tag a guy 2, or 3 years in a row.

 

[This is Our Year]

This guy is so good that just simply by signing him I would consider the offseason a success. Mankins would be AWESOME if we sign him. Also it would help Gurode bc he would be playing next to a very good player, therefore improving his play. It would be an awesome signing!

 

[btcutter]

The Patriots have 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds of the Draft. They are not going to Franchise Mankins.

Would you let your best OL go without compensation? Think like a GM not a Cowboy fan.

Take a 1st rounder 2 years from now or some other creative picks.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Would you let your best OL go without compensation? Think like a GM not a Cowboy fan.

Take a 1st rounder 2 years from now or some other creative picks.

No one was willing to sign him for a 1 & 3, so you're taking a big risk garunteeing him around 11 mil. If a cap is put back in place, it's very unlikely they will be able to.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm pretty sure when Mankins and the Pats were going through that ugly situation, the Pats promised not to franchise tag him so he could walk in FA next season. Mankins will NOT re-sign with the Patriots. He will become an UFA.

Mankins had to come back to get his year of service, otherwise the Patriots would have had him under rights for another year. The Patriots didn't promise crap, and they are free to franchise Mankins again if they wish.

 

[Kangaroo]

B/C it keeps teams from having to commit to players long-term. Its a tacky thing to do. The guy is good enough that you are willing to pay him like hes top 5 at his position but you wont give him a deal?

Sure, as a Cowboys fan I want the most amount of players available in FA since all these kids are Cowboys fans. But its really a lame move, especially when they want to tag a guy 2, or 3 years in a row.

Sometime a player is coming of an injury and they want more than what the team wants to sign them for so you franchise them. Like I said there needs to be a modification it should be you can franchise the player for one year. Spare me the long term commitment crap most contracts are a farce they sign 7 year ones knowing it is going to be 3-5 year deal

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Anybody know what the cap numbers for the 5 highest paid linemen were in 2010? I would assume they are Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Jason Smith, possibly D'Brickishwa and Jason Peters.

 

[CoCo]

I agree.

But if a CBA is in place, you would still tag one of the best OG in the business. Yes, you may end up eating the salary and have his service for a year (not exactly a bad deal) but you set yourself up to get something in return which is likely a 2nd or 3rd round pick this yr (even better).

There will be many teams bidding for his services so I am sure teams are willing to trade a pick for him.

I assume you mean compensatory picks. The highest those can be if I recall correctly is end of Round 3.

Knowing NE's reluctance to pay big $, and the fact that they're sitting on lots of draft picks and the liklihood that they'd get a 3rd for Mankins if they let him walk, I could see him ending up elsewhere.

But NE will obviously work this deal to its maximum benefit for them. I doubt he'll get max dollars from them (even pay a frnchise tag deal) which likely means an eventual departure for him.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Exactly. You can't franchise an UFA

You have to do it before they hit the market. Why do you think it took Julius Peppers so many years to get away from the Panthers.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I thought anyone could be franchised

If they were on your team in the first place. You can't franchise some other teams players.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The Patriots have 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds of the Draft.

That just isn't fair.

 

[yimyammer]

That just isn't fair.

And they're 14-2, they're a man among boys when it comes to personnel management, if they can hit on half their top 8 draft picks they will be adding 4 good players to an already good, young team. Plus, their first pick in the second round is Carolinas so that pick is almost like having another first, its unreal. I'm envious as hell and wish the Cowboys could be so astute.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

And they're 14-2, they're a man among boys when it comes to personnel management, if they can hit on half their top 8 draft picks they will be adding 4 good players to an already good, young team. Plus, their first pick in the second round is Carolinas so that pick is almost like having another first, its unreal. I'm envious as hell and wish the Cowboys could be so astute.

Yeah its called good draft management, which we have never had since Jimmy left. But thinking about it, we had all those picks and look at what it did for us in the early 90s.....and the Pats are already good....kinda scary really.

I figure they will trade some of them away though, it would be the smart thing to do. Trade some for a round up in the following years draft and keep it rolling, or trade down for more picks. You can figure Jerry will pick up the phone and call them at some point and probably get robbed as usual.

 

[btcutter]

I assume you mean compensatory picks. The highest those can be if I recall correctly is end of Round 3.

Knowing NE's reluctance to pay big $, and the fact that they're sitting on lots of draft picks and the liklihood that they'd get a 3rd for Mankins if they let him walk, I could see him ending up elsewhere.

But NE will obviously work this deal to its maximum benefit for them. I doubt he'll get max dollars from them (even pay a frnchise tag deal) which likely means an eventual departure for him.

I think NE does better than that.

Tag him....trade him for next years #1 or #2 instead of this years pick since they have so many already. At the end, NE doesn't pay the big $$ and get better than a 3rd round compensatory pick.

If I were NE, that's how I would play this.

 

[Kangaroo]

Yeah its called good draft management, which we have never had since Jimmy left. But thinking about it, we had all those picks and look at what it did for us in the early 90s.....and the Pats are already good....kinda scary really.

I figure they will trade some of them away though, it would be the smart thing to do. Trade some for a round up in the following years draft and keep it rolling, or trade down for more picks. You can figure Jerry will pick up the phone and call them at some point and probably get robbed as usual.

It is because they trade players and do not hold on instead of keeping Barber when we where out of the race GreenBay was willing to give us a 4th Jerry and crew thought we could turn it around; now we are going to release barber for nothing :bang2::bang2:.

When Bengals offered a 1st for Bennett we should had jumped all over it since we had Witten.

That and NE would never have panicked and gave barber the stupid contract he got.

 

[Future]

Anybody know what the cap numbers for the 5 highest paid linemen were in 2010? I would assume they are Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Jason Smith, possibly D'Brickishwa and Jason Peters.

I think Chad Hutchinson and maybe even Leonard (gulp) are right up there. Marcus McNeill also just got paid like a boss.