Paul Shepard --Drew Bledsoe’s play

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StanleySpadowski said:
This person argues against himself when he talk about 2 offensive player or the week awards.

That shows a major knock on Bledsoe right there. Inconsistent...
Seriously. Inconsistant. I hate Bledsoe, because he doesn't win the Offensive Player of the Week award *every* week. What's up whith that? We need someone else. I wonder what it would take to get Tom Brady from New England?
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
I agree that the line played poorly. A healthy season and dumping Allen would go a long way to fixing that. I can't see why most of Bledsoe's biggest fanatics can't see that he is part of the OL problem though.
Everywhere he's ever played it's always the same story. If we just had a better OL he'd be great. Well if my aunt had......

I go by what I see in Dallas, I don't give a rats ars about Buff or NE what I care about is here and now and the simple fact is our line played p!ss poor and have been playing p!ss poor for quite sometimes. As mentioned in another post we replaced Flo with a guy who could not beat out a 6th rd draft pick. Had the line did a decent job and Bledsoe played poor I would be with you but I look at the plain facts and that is our line play is bad very bad!
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Dallas is set at TE and we don't need another. Witten and Campbell are both good TE for this team.
Campbell is a FA. And while he'll be brought back. He just had another surgery on his hernia. That's 4 in almost less than a year.

We do need another young TE behind him. We'll see if Pierce, Ryan, or Curtis step up this offseason.
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
I agree that the line played poorly. A healthy season and dumping Allen would go a long way to fixing that. I can't see why most of Bledsoe's biggest fanatics can't see that he is part of the OL problem though.
Everywhere he's ever played it's always the same story. If we just had a better OL he'd be great. Well if my aunt had......
The problem with that argument is that Bledsoe HAS BEEN GREAT.

We keep hearing these arguments like he was a Hutchinson who was gonna one day get it when in fact Bledsoe has had stellar years and has taken teams into the playoffs and even to a Super Bowl. The most laughable thing is to hear how he can't ever guide a team to the SB when in fact he already has.

Does Bledsoe maintain greatness? NO.
Neither has any other QB ever to live.
In fact only 1 player in NFL history to my knowledge has maintained greatness: Jim Brown.

Most guys fall off at some point or start out slowly.
Bledsoe is not immune to issues around him.

When he signed it was widely accepted that he needed good blocking yet we ended up with 10 games of Tucker and Petitti at OT, Al Johnson at OC and Rivera having a horridly down year.

QBs tend to suck whent he OL gets manhandled. That happened to Marino, Favre and whomever else. When your line gets destroyed all you can do is toss screens or quick slants. I'd call that a severely limiting factor.

In NE when Bledsoe left did they stay with those OL or did they overhaul the OL? What about in Buffalo? What about here?

Just because 3 times Bledsoe has needed a better line doesn't mean those lines were good without him.

I do think he makes it harder on the OL. He requires good protection. IF you protect him though he will reward the team with points on the board and a high efficiency level. Should he get rid of the ball faster? I don't think so. When he tried to do that is when I have thought he was done. Rushing plays and himself results in picks and really poor play. He is what he is and has to have the team help him be successful. Tha fact he has Hall of Fame caliber numbers in mnay cateogires and multiple Pro Bowls tell us all that it is not impossible for him to succeed.
 

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jterrell said:
How does his +6 TD to INT ratio this year make him 1 to 1? How does 248 career TDs to 198 career INTs equate 1 to 1????
Is it really so bad that you have to make up stats now?



If I type this really slowly maybe you'll understand.

I s a i d a 1 t o 1 T D t o T O r a t i o.



Bledsoe had 23 td passes and 2 td rushes. That is 25 tds.

Bledsoe had 17 int and 8 fumbles lost. That is 25 turnovers.


25 = 25.

And I make up stats?

Maybe the NFL makes them up because I use nfl.com.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
It does not explain past season it does however explain what took place in Dallas which is all I really care about. Sorry if you can't see the O-line playing as bad as they did. They could not open holes for the backs and could not give much protection to the QB. I find if funny that you guys live in the past watch the damn games and most who cover it will say the same and that is the Cowboys O-line broke down. Now if you get your dislike of Bledsoe out of the way and look at what the line actually did then maybe you could see what really happened to the Cowboys offense. Some how I doubt you can do that because it is much easier to just dump on Bledsoe than to face the reality that the Cowboys need major improvement along the line and this is not a problem that has just taken place it has been a problem for a while


Maybe we should have drafted a Tackle in the 2nd rd and a guard in the 3rd a couple of years ago...oh wait we did and they haven't played a snap
 

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Idgit said:
Seriously. Inconsistant. I hate Bledsoe, because he doesn't win the Offensive Player of the Week award *every* week. What's up whith that? We need someone else. I wonder what it would take to get Tom Brady from New England?
Sadly Brady did not win the offensive player of the week award every week.
I will start an investigation immediately into how to acquire a player of this caliber who can win 17 weeks worth of player of the week awards. I expect it to be so default that they just give it to him during the bye as well.
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StanleySpadowski said:
If I type this really slowly maybe you'll understand.
I s a i d a 1 t o 1 T D t o T O r a t i o.
Bledsoe had 23 td passes and 2 td rushes. That is 25 tds.
Bledsoe had 17 int and 8 fumbles lost. That is 25 turnovers.
25 = 25.
And I make up stats?
Maybe the NFL makes them up because I use nfl.com.
TD to TO ratio is in fact a made up stat.
If not please do provide a link to any site that tracks it?

Surely someone keeps a stats called TD to TO ratio right?
Oh NO? Well dang it must be made up then huh?
 

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Bledsoe played well when Flo was in there. Hard to argue that. Bottom line is we dont have a FREAKIN KICKER. Bledsoe leads this team to an 11-5 record this year with any resemblence of an NFL field goal kicker, even with our over matched O-line.
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
If I type this really slowly maybe you'll understand.

I s a i d a 1 t o 1 T D t o T O r a t i o.



Bledsoe had 23 td passes and 2 td rushes. That is 25 tds.

Bledsoe had 17 int and 8 fumbles lost. That is 25 turnovers.


25 = 25.

And I make up stats?

Maybe the NFL makes them up because I use nfl.com.

I here you Stan. They don't seem to understand that when a qb turns the ball over as much as he scores he's usually inexperienced and that there's an assumption that with more experience he'll get right side up in terms of his scoring/turnover ratio. But after 13 years of starting in the NFL, Bledsoe hasn't gotten it down yet, which means he probably wont. Your point that his ratio equals zero is not a positive for an experienced vet. That +0 ratio of his exactly why he is an 8-8 qb.

When they say that they don't care what he did in New England or Buffalo, they're saying that don't care about his history in other places, but what about his history playing for the Cowboys.

1) He missed a wide open Jason Witten at the end of the first Commander game, plus only produced 13 points in 4 quarters at home. Thirteen points will get you beat in almost all games
2) He missed a wide open Jason Witten at the end of the Raiders game and bounced the pass to Glenn when he had plenty of time to throw
3) He threw a rookie-dumb int at the end of the Seattle game the gave them the win
4) He was awful against the Giants in the second half of the season
5) He was awful against the Skins in the second half of the season
6) He was awful against the Rams in the second half of the season
In summation he almost single-handedly lost 3 games before Flozell's injury
and 3 games after the injury plus we were lucky to win the Chargers game and the second Eagles game, which means we could just as easily have been 7-9 as 9-7 even with all the upgrades this year. Bledsoe's fans are burying their heads in the sand on this guy and we were very nearly 7-9 as I predicted before the season began. Also, keep in mind that the NFC was very weak in 2005 and we still didn't make the playoffs. That says it all. We were one incredibly uncharacteristically bad pass by McNabb from being 8-8 and that's not progress with all the talent we added.
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
This person argues against himself when he talk about 2 offensive player or the week awards.

That shows a major knock on Bledsoe right there. Inconsistent. He has enough "great" games that his numbers at the end of the year look ok, but he has more than his fair share of clunkers especially when he's most needed.

I challenge you to name an NFL qb who was not INCONSISTENT this year. Brady screwed up in several games, the Manning twins were inconsistent, as well as, others.
 

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burmafrd said:
the Bledsoe haters won't listen since this does not agree with their agenda.Anyone with half a brain and not blind saw the difference in protection pre Hotel injury and post. Add the kicking woes and the thinning LB corps, Henry's injury, and its no wonder we went down hill. I honestly believe that if we had stayed healthy we would be in position to challenge for it all.But thats life in the NFL these days- the team that is the deepest or stays healthiest will win.


BINGO! Refreshing to read an article that reflects some common sense!!

Bledsoe is the LEAST of our worries!! In fact, he is one of our BRIGHT points!
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
And 13 years isn't enough to prove me wrong? He's finally going to get it after all these years, avoid the rush, play well in poor weather, not decide on a receiver in the huddle and lock onto him?


He already put up Vinny type numbers. A one to one TD/TO ratio isn't going to cut it.

How is 23 / 17 a 1:1 ratio? Have you thought about taking a remedial math course?
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
If I type this really slowly maybe you'll understand.

I s a i d a 1 t o 1 T D t o T O r a t i o.



Bledsoe had 23 td passes and 2 td rushes. That is 25 tds.

Bledsoe had 17 int and 8 fumbles lost. That is 25 turnovers.


25 = 25.

And I make up stats?

Maybe the NFL makes them up because I use nfl.com.

You're on the money dude, it'll probably take them another year of Bledsoe excuses to get it. He was more responsible for our 6 losses than any other player because they were all winnable close games except for the second Skins game and his poor play made the line look much worse than it was. He missed open receivers and threw picks at the end of games was the real reason we didn't make the playoffs. It's really funny how when a pocket qb struggles he gets the offensive line excuse, but when a running qb struggles it's never the offensive line's fault or the receivers fault such as in the case of Mike Vick who's playing with a bunch of 7th rounders,except for 5th rounder Matt Lehr and a couple of first and second year receivers.
 

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I am split on Bledsoe. I like the guy, I really do. And he still has a great arm. But his lack of mobility will be such a liability to this team come those important games. It is just ridiculous watching him get swallowed up in the pocket as soon as he is touched, when one sidestep could have bought him an extra 4 seconds. It's almost comical, really.

We definately have some more pressing issues on the team than Bledsoe's play but I also won't say that we are "set" at QB.
 

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kartr said:
I here you Stan. They don't seem to understand that when a qb turns the ball over as much as he scores he's usually inexperienced and that there's an assumption that with more experience he'll get right side up in terms of his scoring/turnover ratio. But after 13 years of starting in the NFL, Bledsoe hasn't gotten it down yet, which means he probably wont. Your point that his ratio equals zero is not a positive for an experienced vet. That +0 ratio of his exactly why he is an 8-8 qb.

When they say that they don't care what he did in New England or Buffalo, they're saying that don't care about his history in other places, but what about his history playing for the Cowboys.

1) He missed a wide open Jason Witten at the end of the first Commander game, plus only produced 13 points in 4 quarters at home. Thirteen points will get you beat in almost all games
2) He missed a wide open Jason Witten at the end of the Raiders game and bounced the pass to Glenn when he had plenty of time to throw
3) He threw a rookie-dumb int at the end of the Seattle game the gave them the win
4) He was awful against the Giants in the second half of the season
5) He was awful against the Skins in the second half of the season
6) He was awful against the Rams in the second half of the season
In summation he almost single-handedly lost 3 games before Flozell's injury
and 3 games after the injury plus we were lucky to win the Chargers game and the second Eagles game, which means we could just as easily have been 7-9 as 9-7 even with all the upgrades this year. Bledsoe's fans are burying their heads in the sand on this guy and we were very nearly 7-9 as I predicted before the season began. Also, keep in mind that the NFC was very weak in 2005 and we still didn't make the playoffs. That says it all. We were one incredibly uncharacteristically bad pass by McNabb from being 8-8 and that's not progress with all the talent we added.

Peyton didnt throw a INT this year or gave up a sack? Did Brady ever miss a wide open WR?

Did they both win every game this year.

Name 1 QB that didnt have 1 bad game this year?

You attack Bledsoe and compare him to offenses that had dominant running games. We did not, and he was forced to carry the team. Look at Favre this year, no Oline or running game will put you where? At the bottom of the division, yet Bledsoe carried our offense when the Oline was struggling and the running game was no where to be found.

All this is is your rant against Bledsoe. The author of the article pointed out every reason why he struggled this year.

And in looking at the season as a whole, what QB would put up better stats than Drew if he was in the same position we were in?
 

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Don't bother to try and reason with the haters. They have no reason- they just are haters. Give bledsoe a DECENT line that pass blocks like ours did the first 6 games and he can take us to the SB. Simple as that. If you do not have a good line he will be like EVERY OTHER QB and stink up the place.
 

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Peyton didnt throw a INT this year or gave up a sack? Did Brady ever miss a wide open WR?

Did they both win every game this year.

Name 1 QB that didnt have 1 bad game this year?

You attack Bledsoe and compare him to offenses that had dominant running games. We did not, and he was forced to carry the team. Look at Favre this year, no Oline or running game will put you where? At the bottom of the division, yet Bledsoe carried our offense when the Oline was struggling and the running game was no where to be found.

All this is is your rant against Bledsoe. The author of the article pointed out every reason why he struggled this year.

And in looking at the season as a whole, what QB would put up better stats than Drew if he was in the same position we were in?

Vinny put very good numbers in 2004 while Julius was hurt and would have continued until Terry went down. We made the playoffs in 2003 with Hambrick, Richie Anderson and Adrian Murrell,none of which are playing in the NFL right now, so we didn't have dominant running game
 

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Peyton didnt throw a INT this year or gave up a sack? Did Brady ever miss a wide open WR?

Did they both win every game this year.

Name 1 QB that didnt have 1 bad game this year?

You attack Bledsoe and compare him to offenses that had dominant running games. We did not, and he was forced to carry the team. Look at Favre this year, no Oline or running game will put you where? At the bottom of the division, yet Bledsoe carried our offense when the Oline was struggling and the running game was no where to be found.

All this is is your rant against Bledsoe. The author of the article pointed out every reason why he struggled this year.

And in looking at the season as a whole, what QB would put up better stats than Drew if he was in the same position we were in?

Our defense also had more play-makers on the team this year than the last two years. When a qb needs everything to go his way, everything to be perfect, he's not a qb you challenge for a super bowl with. Look at Mannings' stats compared to Bledsoe's, obviously, the ability to win games is left out of the equation. There's a reason that Bledsoe's career winning percentage is equal to 8-8, cause he's not a winner, no matter what uniform you put him in.
 

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kartr said:
Vinny put very good numbers in 2004 while Julius was hurt and would have continued until Terry went down. We made the playoffs in 2003 with Hambrick, Richie Anderson and Adrian Murrell,none of which are playing in the NFL right now, so we didn't have dominant running game

Dallas won in spite of Carter not because of his awsome play, the guy put up the ints big time and never did much in putting up TD for this team. he constantly made mistakes and then would push those off on others top it off he is a mental weakling and when given a 2nd chance by the Jets managed to fall back into his same trap. Get over it the guy is not that good and the team won inspite of his crappy play and no team wants a QB who has mental or drug problems.
 
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