Paul Shepard --Drew Bledsoe’s play

[StanleySpadowski]

How is 23 / 17 a 1:1 ratio? Have you thought about taking a remedial math course?

:stupid: :doh:

Maybe I didn't type slow enough when I explained this the first time.

 

[jterrell]

:stupid: :doh:
Maybe I didn't type slow enough when I explained this the first time.

I am still waiting for the link to the site that considers your made up stat an actual stat....

If you were using a statistic that had actually been referred to before you might not get so many questions.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

Our defense also had more play-makers on the team this year than the last two years. When a qb needs everything to go his way, everything to be perfect, he's not a qb you challenge for a super bowl with. Look at Mannings' stats compared to Bledsoe's, obviously, the ability to win games is left out of the equation. There's a reason that Bledsoe's career winning percentage is equal to 8-8, cause he's not a winner, no matter what uniform you put him in.

We had more playmakers because our scheme also, let them make plays. That is a different thread But still, how could we even be 10-6 with a QB like Quincy? He threw more picks that year, threw less TD's, didnt have a running game, didnt have our deep threat for half the year, but he pulled it off somehow? If he did so good back in 2003 do you think it was our schedule being easy? I do, is it because that is when the Giants and Commanders still sucked? I do, is it also because our schedule in the second half of the year was filled with winning teams? I do, get the point? 2003 was more luck than anything else, because now we are more talented everywhere but the most important spots on the team IMO, the Oline. That is why we struggled so much. Just see next year with a revamped Oline how much better Drew is with protection and a running game.

 

[kartr]

Dallas won in spite of Carter not because of his awsome play, the guy put up the ints big time and never did much in putting up TD for this team. he constantly made mistakes and then would push those off on others top it off he is a mental weakling and when given a 2nd chance by the Jets managed to fall back into his same trap. Get over it the guy is not that good and the team won inspite of his crappy play and no team wants a QB who has mental or drug problems.

Our defense scored all of 2 tds in 2003. Carter had just 15 starts prior to 2003, name one qb who got their team to the playoffs with so few starts other than Brady. Name one qb from the 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004 who got their team to the playoffs in their first 31 starts, other than Brady and Carter. Dallas' defense finished in the bottom in sacks and ints in 2003. Carter finished 12th in the NFL in passing yardage, while Hambrick finished 25th or 26th in rushing and ran for LOL 5 tds in the first 8 games and 0 in the last 8
games. The Cowboys defense faced Atlanta without Vick, the Jets without Pennington,plus Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck,Jay Fiedler and Kerry Collins backup in the game two of Giants.
Carter faced the Patriots D without Galloway, a rookie TE and 2nd year receiver who led the team in drops; Carter also faced Buffalo's number 3 ranked D, Carolina's super bowl defense, the Eagles NFC championship caliber defense, Miami's defense and Tampa's defense, that's quite a contrast. Eight of the opponents's from 2003 finished in the top 10 in total defense. If David Carr or Harrington or Hutch had been able to get this team into the playoffs in 2003, they would have been hailed as the second coming of Aikman. Carter's drug problems stemmed from the fact that he realized that no matter what he accomplished, Jerry wanted a more 'marketable' qb and that basically he been used give Parcells' the genius label. He knew his career was over as a starter in NFL as soon as they brought in Henson. He knew what that meant(see Jeff Blake and Tony Banks; they have no drug problems and are better than the qb's who start in front of them). Nuff said.

 

[Doomsday101]

Our defense scored all of 2 tds in 2003. Carter had just 15 starts prior to 2003, name one qb who got their team to the playoffs with so few starts other than Brady. Name one qb from the 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004 who got their team to the playoffs in their first 31 starts, other than Brady and Carter. Dallas' defense finished in the bottom in sacks and ints in 2003. Carter finished 12th in the NFL in passing yardage, while Hambrick finished 25th or 26th in rushing and ran for LOL 5 tds in the first 8 games and 0 in the last 8
games. The Cowboys defense faced Atlanta without Vick, the Jets without Pennington,plus Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck,Jay Fiedler and Kerry Collins backup in the game two of Giants.
Carter faced the Patriots D without Galloway, a rookie TE and 2nd year receiver who led the team in drops; Carter also faced Buffalo's number 3 ranked D, Carolina's super bowl defense, the Eagles NFC championship caliber defense, Miami's defense and Tampa's defense, that's quite a contrast. Eight of the opponents's from 2003 finished in the top 10 in total defense. If David Carr or Harrington or Hutch had been able to get this team into the playoffs in 2003, they would have been hailed as the second coming of Aikman. Carter's drug problems stemmed from the fact that he realized that no matter what he accomplished, Jerry wanted a more 'marketable' qb and that basically he been used give Parcells' the genius label. He knew his career was over as a starter in NFL as soon as they brought in Henson. He knew what that meant(see Jeff Blake and Tony Banks; they have no drug problems and are better than the qb's who start in front of them). Nuff said.

Nuff said all right. The guy is a bum no one wants him but you! I guess everyone in the NFL is a bunch of idiots but you know all. Give it up the guy is not a good QB and the 10-6 with Dallas had a lot more to do with the defense then anything Carter did. Your excuses why he went on drugs is a joke, gosh I don't like how things are going so I'll give up and get high. Yeah we really need that kind of weak minded punk on the team.

 

[superpunk]

In response to all the moronic "name one QB" questions in post 44, I offer you;

Ben Roethlisberger.

There. I gave you one. Will that shut you up?

 

[Kilyin]

TD to TO ratio is in fact a made up stat.
If not please do provide a link to any site that tracks it?

Surely someone keeps a stats called TD to TO ratio right?
Oh NO? Well dang it must be made up then huh?

And this guy is a mod?

You're joking, right?

 

[junk]

So losing Flo and playing Tucker actually wasn't an upgrade? Funny, I sure read a lot of posts saying that right after his injury.

Bledsoe is what he is. He was an upgrade for Dallas and came cheaply. My biggest fear is that he is just good enough to keep you hanging around, but not good enough to put you over the top.

Granted, the line stunk this year. However, Bledsoe's lines always stink. He is a QB that is going to take a lot of sacks. If just about any starting NFL QB had a line that gave them all day to throw, they'd be superstars too. Sometimes the poor line play might just relate to the tendency of the QB to hold onto the ball a bit too long.

This isn't "Bledsoe hate", but the guy isn't above criticism. He does make mistakes and there are things he does poorly.

 

[Kilyin]

How is 23 / 17 a 1:1 ratio? Have you thought about taking a remedial math course?

Maybe you should take a remedial reading course.

 

[kartr]

We had more playmakers because our scheme also, let them make plays. That is a different thread But still, how could we even be 10-6 with a QB like Quincy? He threw more picks that year, threw less TD's, didnt have a running game, didnt have our deep threat for half the year, but he pulled it off somehow? If he did so good back in 2003 do you think it was our schedule being easy? I do, is it because that is when the Giants and Commanders still sucked? I do, is it also because our schedule in the second half of the year was filled with winning teams? I do, get the point? 2003 was more luck than anything else, because now we are more talented everywhere but the most important spots on the team IMO, the Oline. That is why we struggled so much. Just see next year with a revamped Oline how much better Drew is with protection and a running game.

Carter threw for over 210 yards against the Pats on the road without Galloway and completed 56% of his passes compared to Brady's 212 yards. Brady was playing at home, had his full complement of receivers and had defense that led league in forcing turnovers. Brady was also in his third consecutive season as a starter and in the same offense. Carter in just his first year in that offense, without a consistent running game threw for 321 yards against the Giants in game 1, 240 yards against them in game 2, 262 yards against Atlanta, 210 against the Pats, 240 yards against the Cards, 190 against Detroit thru 3 1/2 quarters, 196 against the Skins in game 1 without about 4-5 drops, 254 yards against Carolina, 288 yards against the tough Dolphins defense and 290 yards against the Saints that was top 10 against the pass. Crappy qb's don't put up those kinds of numbers consistently in the NFL. Say what you want, say what you will, those numbers speak for themselves, and so does 10-6 vs Bledsoe's lucky 9-7 record which should have been 8-8 or 7-9 at best.
In 2003, Dallas closed out games early against lesser teams and ran Hambrick 40 times with his 3.1 average to eat up clock. Nobody called us the Cardiac Cowboys that year cause we put lesser teams away and battled the better ones to the end.

 

[Doomsday101]

So losing Flo and playing Tucker actually wasn't an upgrade? Funny, I sure read a lot of posts saying that right after his injury.
Bledsoe is what he is. He was an upgrade for Dallas and came cheaply. My biggest fear is that he is just good enough to keep you hanging around, but not good enough to put you over the top.
Granted, the line stunk this year. However, Bledsoe's lines always stink. He is a QB that is going to take a lot of sacks. If just about any starting NFL QB had a line that gave them all day to throw, they'd be superstars too. Sometimes the poor line play might just relate to the tendency of the QB to hold onto the ball a bit too long.
This isn't "Bledsoe hate", but the guy isn't above criticism. He does make mistakes and there are things he does poorly.

I would agree Drew shares in some of the blame but there is no denying that we have some problems on the O-line and we have had some problems along our line for quite some time this is not something that just took place this season this has been an ongoing problem.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Carter threw for over 210 yards against the Pats on the road without Galloway and completed 56% of his passes compared to Brady's 212 yards. Brady was playing at home, had his full complement of receivers and had defense that led league in forcing turnovers. Brady was also in his third consecutive season as a starter and in the same offense. Carter in just his first year in that offense, without a consistent running game threw for 321 yards against the Giants in game 1, 240 yards against them in game 2, 262 yards against Atlanta, 210 against the Pats, 240 yards against the Cards, 190 against Detroit thru 3 1/2 quarters, 196 against the Skins in game 1 without about 4-5 drops, 254 yards against Carolina, 288 yards against the tough Dolphins defense and 290 yards against the Saints that was top 10 against the pass. Crappy qb's don't put up those kinds of numbers consistently in the NFL. Say what you want, say what you will, those numbers speak for themselves, and so does 10-6 vs Bledsoe's lucky 9-7 record which should have been 8-8 or 7-9 at best.
In 2003, Dallas closed out games early against lesser teams and ran Hambrick 40 times with his 3.1 average to eat up clock. Nobody called us the Cardiac Cowboys that year cause we put lesser teams away and battled the better ones to the end.

Who made the plays to win the game? When the game came down to it, who over threw receivers and who made the money plays. Really, this discussion, on that game starts and finishes there.

 

[junk]

I am still waiting for the link to the site that considers your made up stat an actual stat....
If you were using a statistic that had actually been referred to before you might not get so many questions.

University of Hawaii tracks it.

http://starbulletin.com/2001/10/24/sports/story1.html

"The touchdown to turnover ratio is important, too," said Rolovich, who yesterday was named by coach June Jones to start Friday.

Its a fantasy statistic....which is still a statistic.

sta·tis·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (st-tstk)
n.
A numerical datum.

datum

n : an item of factual information derived from measurement or research [syn: data point]

So, just because it isn't tracked on the front page of NFL.com, that makes it an invalid statistic?

 

[Clove]

Guest blogger Paul Shepard offers an interesting take on Drew Bledsoe’s play before and after Flozell Adams’ knee injury and sees potential for a rapid o-line turnaround with just one quality veteran signing:

The [offensive line] situation isn’t as dire as it’s been painted at times. With a healthy Flo (and Rivera to a lesser extent) returning to the mix, and a minor upgrade or two at RT and/or C, there’s no reason we can’t contend for a title in ‘06.

Before Flozell was lost for the season Drew was completing 63.3% of his passes for an average of 277.2 passing yards per contest, he had a TD-to-INT ratio of 11:4 and was being sacked 2.2 times per game.

In the ten games Tucker started Drew completed just 58.1% of his passes for an avg of 197.6 passing yards per contest, had a TD to INT ratio of 12:13 and was being sacked 3.6 times per game.

In his six games with Flo at LT Drew threw just one less TD than he threw in ten games with Tucker at LT. In his six games with Adams, Drew had two 300+ yard games (including a season high 363) and all six were over 200. In the following ten games with Tucker at LT Drew threw just one 300+ yard game (332), and only five of those ten games went over the 200 yard mark.

Drew is more than a serviceable NFL QB. How many other players who won two+ Offensive- Player-of-the-Week awards won’t be playing in Hawaii this February? Even after playing ten games with a matador at the most critical position on the OL, Drew posted Pro Bowl-caliber numbers.

We don’t need a complete overhaul. Add a quality RT and/or OG/C with our first two picks (or in free agency) along with making whatever upgrades we can at K, LB, S, DL, etc., and we’ve gotta legit shot at this thing.

We've been saying add those parts all along.

 

[Kilyin]

I am still waiting for the link to the site that considers your made up stat an actual stat....

If you were using a statistic that had actually been referred to before you might not get so many questions.

Let me explain it to you. Now, just because the NFL doesn't put a stat in a neat little column, doesn't mean it's not a stat. Sometimes, you may have to use a little math. There may be an easier method than what I'm about to describe, but this works fine. Okay first thing you do is go to this page:

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1041

Okay, near the top it has the Int column. We see 17 there.

Okay, scroll down to the Fumble section. It's at the bottom. See where Bledsoe had 17 fumbles? SEVENTEEN. Although only 8 were "lost fumbles", that is still horrific. Okay, here's the hard part. Now you have to add up the turnovers. Oh noes. So we have 17 int + 8 lost fumbles = 25 Turnovers.

Bledsoe threw 23 TDs, rushed for 2 TD, that's 25 TD and 25 Turnovers. Get it?

 

[Ashwynn]

You're on the money dude, it'll probably take them another year of Bledsoe excuses to get it. He was more responsible for our 6 losses than any other player because they were all winnable close games except for the second Skins game and his poor play made the line look much worse than it was. He missed open receivers and threw picks at the end of games was the real reason we didn't make the playoffs. It's really funny how when a pocket qb struggles he gets the offensive line excuse, but when a running qb struggles it's never the offensive line's fault or the receivers fault such as in the case of Mike Vick who's playing with a bunch of 7th rounders,except for 5th rounder Matt Lehr and a couple of first and second year receivers.

In any lose this year, prove it was Bledsoe that lost the game and not a Running Back that did not pick up a first down, or a secondary member by allowing a TD pass or a pass to move the chains and eat up more clock so the O could not come back. Or an Olinemen that killed a potential winning drive with a penalty, in any quater of any game.

The thing is you can not pin a loss on 1 man in every game. If Petteti does not get a illegal precedure penalty we convert a 3rd and 2 instead of missing a conversion on 3rd and 7. If Ware sacks the QB and not allow him to complete 1 pass, maybe we win that game.
To say Bledsoe cost us Seattle or Denver cause of the pick is STUPID. totally STUPID and MORONIC.
You guys dont like Bledsoe - we get that already. That does nto change the fact he just turned in the best year of any Cowboys QB in 10 years. The fact is hes a better QB then anything on the ROSTER including Henson. Yes, Bledsoes better then your golden boy. But the fact you dont like Bledsoe does not mean he sucks. You turn the stats around to present your arguement in a better light. A tip, anytime you have to manipulate the data, its not telling you what YOU WANT TO HEAR. so you change it to reflect your positional point of view.

Bottom line is Bledsoes the QB of the boys, wether you like it or not. I am glad hes my QB and I will go to any war with him happily as my QB. Why, because I am a fan of the team. whatever is best for them is what I want them to do, and playing Bledsoe gives us our best chance to win. PERIOD. nothing you can turn around here, nothing you can say or do that will change that. The only person that can change that is ROMO. Till he beats out Bledsoe, Bledsoes our man. and I love it.

But keep bashing Kartr, you will eventually convince yourself what your spewing is the truth.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In any lose this year, prove it was Bledsoe that lost the game and not a Running Back that did not pick up a first down, or a secondary member by allowing a TD pass or a pass to move the chains and eat up more clock so the O could not come back. Or an Olinemen that killed a potential winning drive with a penalty, in any quater of any game.

The thing is you can not pin a loss on 1 man in every game. If Petteti does not get a illegal precedure penalty we convert a 3rd and 2 instead of missing a conversion on 3rd and 7. If Ware sacks the QB and not allow him to complete 1 pass, maybe we win that game.
To say Bledsoe cost us Seattle or Denver cause of the pick is STUPID. totally STUPID and MORONIC.
You guys dont like Bledsoe - we get that already. That does nto change the fact he just turned in the best year of any Cowboys QB in 10 years. The fact is hes a better QB then anything on the ROSTER including Henson. Yes, Bledsoes better then your golden boy. But the fact you dont like Bledsoe does not mean he sucks. You turn the stats around to present your arguement in a better light. A tip, anytime you have to manipulate the data, its not telling you what YOU WANT TO HEAR. so you change it to reflect your positional point of view.

Bottom line is Bledsoes the QB of the boys, wether you like it or not. I am glad hes my QB and I will go to any war with him happily as my QB. Why, because I am a fan of the team. whatever is best for them is what I want them to do, and playing Bledsoe gives us our best chance to win. PERIOD. nothing you can turn around here, nothing you can say or do that will change that. The only person that can change that is ROMO. Till he beats out Bledsoe, Bledsoes our man. and I love it.

But keep bashing Kartr, you will eventually convince yourself what your spewing is the truth.

Bledsoe lost the Seattle game and this is from his own admition. I think you could make a case that there are other games where it could be brought into question as well but this one, IMO, is certain.

I think it's also reasonable to say that he probably one a few games for us as well. I understand the win as team/lose as team methodoligy as well as the next guy but honestly, at some point you get down to hard evaluation. That's why guys get cut.

 

[Clove]

I don't care about stats or arm strength or running QB or Statue QB or what the heck ever, all I care about is results.

For whatever excuses we want to give to any QB or whatever, we didn't make the playoffs. I don't care what the excuse is, we didn't get it done. If we don't get it done next season, I want Bledsoe out on his ars as would I any old QB. But I give him one more year.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

University of Hawaii tracks it.
http://starbulletin.com/2001/10/24/sports/story1.html
Its a fantasy statistic....which is still a statistic.
sta·tis·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (st-tstk)
n.
A numerical datum.
datum
n : an item of factual information derived from measurement or research [syn: data point]
So, just because it isn't tracked on the front page of NFL.com, that makes it an invalid statistic?

OOPS

 

[Nors]

Carter threw for over 210 yards against the Pats on the road without Galloway and completed 56% of his passes compared to Brady's 212 yards. Brady was playing at home, had his full complement of receivers and had defense that led league in forcing turnovers. Brady was also in his third consecutive season as a starter and in the same offense. Carter in just his first year in that offense, without a consistent running game threw for 321 yards against the Giants in game 1, 240 yards against them in game 2, 262 yards against Atlanta, 210 against the Pats, 240 yards against the Cards, 190 against Detroit thru 3 1/2 quarters, 196 against the Skins in game 1 without about 4-5 drops, 254 yards against Carolina, 288 yards against the tough Dolphins defense and 290 yards against the Saints that was top 10 against the pass. Crappy qb's don't put up those kinds of numbers consistently in the NFL. Say what you want, say what you will, those numbers speak for themselves, and so does 10-6 vs Bledsoe's lucky 9-7 record which should have been 8-8 or 7-9 at best.
In 2003, Dallas closed out games early against lesser teams and ran Hambrick 40 times with his 3.1 average to eat up clock. Nobody called us the Cardiac Cowboys that year cause we put lesser teams away and battled the better ones to the end.

Stop with Carter and the Pats 2003 game - I was there. We scored 3 points and he threw 3 and maybe 4 interceptions in that game! Two by Ty Law I might add!