Pauline: Saturday's Standouts Include Goff, Fuller

[CATCH17]

Seriously, how can you think Goff was the best?? Every announcer, scout, analyst, and fan without an agenda saw that Wentz was by far the best qb today and Lynch made an argument that he might be second best. The best thing that was said about him was that one GM liked his mind but still had questions about his arm strength. He has a below average arm but above average intelligence.

Yep... Even the sideline reporters at the combine are saying a lot of the scouts think Wentz was the best.

I'm sure some think Goff did better but it seems like the general consensus was that my boy Wentz slapped Goff around all day.

 

[Idgit]

I'd take either Goff or Wentz and must admit Goff is turning my head.
I say again I think this crop of QB's are undervalued but I'm willing to be corrected
There are some wonks out there that agree

He has some moxie to him that makes him easy to like. I keep going back and forth between him and Wentz, too. We might get lucky at 4 here.

 

[jterrell]

Am I the only one that hates when scouts / gms / coaches etc compare players and have them rated so close that they don't care which one they get?

It really bothers me..very seldomly do players end up being equal..be clear on your rankings and go get the guy you believe is the better player

I want a scout to judge the player with a grade, note stengths and weaknesses not rack and stack them.
Guys are very similar and you should be grading many fairly evenly.
Personnel guys beyond the scouts should weigh the grades versus attributes and build a board.

Goff and Wentz to me are fairly even in grade, but very different in flavor. Goff is more accurate, more ready. Wentz is bigger, has more arm.
I'd like Goff more for a team in a dome or warm, dry climate thta plays a lot of up tempo spread scheme. Wentz more for a team like Dallas where he probably gets 1-2 years to develop but uses some timing based stuff.

I rate Lynch a solid 3rd and the other other QB I'd top touch 2 rounds. But for him you almost need to be a cold weather outdoor type team. Where his size and toughness show up and his lack of accuracy is less an issue.

 

[JBS]

I want a scout to judge the player with a grade, note stengths and weaknesses not rack and stack them.
Guys are very similar and you should be grading many fairly evenly.
Personnel guys beyond the scouts should weigh the grades versus attributes and build a board.

Goff and Wentz to me are fairly even in grade, but very different in flavor. Goff is more accurate, more ready. Wentz is bigger, has more arm.
I'd like Goff more for a team in a dome or warm, dry climate thta plays a lot of up tempo spread scheme. Wentz more for a team like Dallas where he probably gets 1-2 years to develop but uses some timing based stuff.

I rate Lynch a solid 3rd and the other other QB I'd top touch 2 rounds. But for him you almost need to be a cold weather outdoor type team. Where his size and toughness show up and his lack of accuracy is less an issue.

The problem is...there is going to be a drastic difference in ability when it's all said and done...it's not going to be Oh...Goff and wentz are equally as good...at least that's how it usually works

 

[btcutter]

Seriously, how can you think Goff was the best?? Every announcer, scout, analyst, and fan without an agenda saw that Wentz was by far the best qb today and Lynch made an argument that he might be second best. The best thing that was said about him was that one GM liked his mind but still had questions about his arm strength. He has a below average arm but above average intelligence.

Really? That's not the impression I got.

I watched those NFL combine "highlights". Goff was the best and it wasn't close.

 

[conner01]

Really? That's not the impression I got.

I watched those NFL combine "highlights". Goff was the best and it wasn't close.

I think they both did well
Don't think either hurt himself any and both had a good combine
That said I think most have Wentz higher because most feel he has a higher ceiling and has all the tools to be a good QB
I think Goff is more ready now and has really good footwork and a quick release
I think both are good prospects to develope as Tony's future replacement
I'd rather have Wentz but not gonna cry if it's Goff
I think both are worth a high 1st rnd pick

 

[starfrombirth]

Really? That's not the impression I got.

I watched those NFL combine "highlights". Goff was the best and it wasn't close.

I didn't watch the highlights.. I watched the whole thing. Goff wasn't the best. Not even close. And if you watched the highlights they even included snippets where all the analysts and scouts and GM's even said so. Or do you know more than all of them??

 

[jterrell]

The problem is...there is going to be a drastic difference in ability when it's all said and done...it's not going to be Oh...Goff and wentz are equally as good...at least that's how it usually works

Maybe. Or maybe they are dependant upon situation but ultimately very similar overall in odds of success.

Cam came into the league a VERY flawed QB. He was not very accurate, but he had a strong arm and was powerful enough to stiff arm pass rushers and strong enough to break tackle attempts.
He fit into a power run scheme well. It took time and a few different OC but he is now a top tier QB.
Andrew Luck is a better "rated" QB than Cam but he needs WRs much more then Cam ever will.
Luck may well get a new OC and a few new weapons before he truly takes off but it seems likely he will.

6 months ago everyone alive would have said Luck was bey far the better QB.
Today, it's a harder discussion.

Even is Luck is easily the better QB talent there is no guarantee he has a better career.

For NFL teams QB fit is everything.

 

[jterrell]

I didn't watch the highlights.. I watched the whole thing. Goff wasn't the best. Not even close. And if you watched the highlights they even included snippets where all the analysts and scouts and GM's even said so. Or do you know more than all of them??

Depends on what you were looking for.
Goff has a quicker release and his accuracy isn't just hitting WRs but hitting them in stride with touch.

Both guys had great feet and Wentz gets set and delivers really strong throws. He looks like a play-action and deep shot guy.

They were both really good and easily the best two QBs. As to which wa sbetter it probbaly comes down to whom you liked more going in or what style QB you prefer.

I have seen 30 people comment and all 30 said beoth were good but it's been very split as to which was better.

From a Cowboys standpoint, not sure it matters. IF we have a shot at either it is because someone else like the other guy better.

 

[btcutter]

I didn't watch the highlights.. I watched the whole thing. Goff wasn't the best. Not even close. And if you watched the highlights they even included snippets where all the analysts and scouts and GM's even said so. Or do you know more than all of them??

I never claim to know more than scouts nor do I feel that they are always right.
JTerrel pointed out my point of Goff hits receivers in stride and with more anticipation. Maybe Wentz will get better but right now Goff is more ready.

 

[waving monkey]

Goff is flat out better then was given credit for by the wonks.
Both Goff and Wentz are going to lead their teams to championships
if the go to good teams*. The Browns ?

 

[conner01]

I never claim to know more than scouts nor do I feel that they are always right.
JTerrel pointed out my point of Goff hits receivers in stride and with more anticipation. Maybe Wentz will get better but right now Goff is more ready.

I think everyone agrees Goff is more ready now, ever scout I heard said as much
To me for this team not sure that's as important as which will be better down the road
Liked both, thought both had strengths and weaknesses
I agree Goff is more ready now but since we hopefully don't play a rookie QB in any meaningful game for a couples years the real key to me is which has the higher ceiling
One we won't have a shot at for sure, maybe both. But if we get a shot at either I would take them

 

[vicjagger]

Why exactly is Mariota a better prospect than Goff or Wentz? I don't see it sorry. Both those guys can read defenses better, and certainly have better pocket awareness than MM ever did in college. The only thing Mariota has on them is speed.

Speaking of speed, I heard on NFL Network today the the LA Tech QB ran a 4.56!

 

[jterrell]

Speaking of speed, I heard on NFL Network today the the LA Tech QB ran a 4.56!

Driskell is a freak athlete and was supposed to be Florida's Tim Tebow part 2 but it just never worked out at Florida.
He passed for a zilliion yards at La Tech. Going to be an interesting evaluation for the professionals.
I'm not even trying.