Payton schooled Zimmer

[ConstantReboot]

There is no question that Zimmer was schooled and into a fool.

The question that I like to ask is why did Zimmer use the same exact defense against the Saints as he did against the Giants?

The Giants ripped us apart also with a downtrotten QB. What makes Zimmer think that the same scheme was going to stop Brees?

And another thing, we strayed away from playing an aggressive defense. If you look back at the game again, the first two possessions that the Saints had we were playing an aggressive 3-4 defense. It had Brees scrambling.
Then we moved away from an aggressive 3-4 and stuck with a passive 4-3 all throughout the game. Why?

I'm all for canning Zimmer. He deserves to get booted. His defensive philosophy has killed this team again and again. I don't know why his still around.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

There is no question that Zimmer was schooled and into a fool.

The question that I like to ask is why did Zimmer use the same exact defense against the Saints as he did against the Giants?

The Giants ripped us apart also with a downtrotten QB. What makes Zimmer think that the same scheme was going to stop Brees?

And another thing, we strayed away from playing an aggressive defense. If you look back at the game again, the first two possessions that the Saints had we were playing an aggressive 3-4 defense. It had Brees scrambling.
Then we moved away from an aggressive 3-4 and stuck with a passive 4-3 all throughout the game. Why?

I'm all for canning Zimmer. He deserves to get booted. His defensive philosophy has killed this team again and again. I don't know why his still around.

I was sitting there blurting out the same thing, in not so kind language. I completely lost it. We had them on their heels, and we backed off.

I don't see how he couldn't see that they kept giving us misdirections and then dumping it into the flat.

It's like our LB's didn't know to read the Guards. Unbelievable. It looked like it was the same 10 plays, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

 

[AdamJT13]

Outside of Terry Glenn and possibly McBriar, it's difficult to find too many people that played well.

Newman and Julius.

Maybe Ware, although I don't know if he was responsible for any of those dumpoff passes when he was rushing. He had two sacks, although one was negated when the refs incorrectly called him for being offsides. He wasn't, he just timed it perfectly. He didn't cross into the neutral zone until after the ball was snapped.

But speaking of McBriar, why on earth did we decline the running into the kicker penalty? They fair caught the punt at the 17. If we kick it again from the 50, we have a chance of pinning them inside the 10. And if it goes into the end zone, it's only 3 yards' difference. The difference between the 17 and the 20 is minuscule, but the difference between the 17 and the 7 or the 3 is enormous. And the chances of them getting the ball outside the 20 are tiny. To me, that was just one more mistake our coaches made.

 

[unsportsmanlikeconduct]

uh, most of what killed us wasnt targeted at the safeties

there were a couple of plays, but this was just a pathetically coached defense getting spanked by a smart coach, and it happens every yr

David

If you knew anything about defensive football, you would realize the safeties were specifically targeted throughout the game!

 

[Rampage]

payton schooled parcells

 

[Clove]

Let's put the blame at the feet of the true reason...Parcells.

What we saw tonight is how our coaches can coach when the fat thumb of the Tuna isn't screwing things up.

Never saw that kind of play calling and risk taking when Sean was calling plays for us...care to guess why?

Anyone who thinks Zimmer is designing the defensive game plan is crazy.

:fact: I couldn't have said it better than that.

 

[Ganja]

Payton schooled every coach on our staff....not just Zimmer.

Agreed. He really stuck it to his old "mentor" last night.

His offensive gameplan worked to perfection.

 

[LatinMind]

I agree.

Why is Roy Williams playing 20 yards out? I am not saying I know defensive schemes better than Zimmer but I would have put RW at the LOS in run support or covering Reggie Bush or blitzing from there if it is a passing play as an additional LB/SS. Leave the corners in man coverage. If they need safety help against these receivers, then we have bigger problems

maybe because dallas runs a stupid defense that keeps lb'er in the game to cover rb's, that cant. instead playing db's that can. roy was forced to play deep because davis was in coverage why? because dallas was low on db's because why? parcells smart idea was to only activate 4 cb's and only play 3.. didnt anybody notice this? nate jones didnt really even play on defense, it was roy and keith/jones in coverage along with a lb'er that could never cover karney!

after awhile u have to question the players hearts.. stop blaming the coaching staff because really, its the players on the field not the coaches. granted the could have been with better personel on the field, but zimmer doesnt control all of that. parcells set parameters on his coordinators. anybody who thinks he doesnt really doesnt know much about the way he coaches.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Let's put the blame at the feet of the true reason...Parcells.

What we saw tonight is how our coaches can coach when the fat thumb of the Tuna isn't screwing things up.

Never saw that kind of play calling and risk taking when Sean was calling plays for us...care to guess why?

Anyone who thinks Zimmer is designing the defensive game plan is crazy.

Not really true. Parcells sometimes just outcoaches himself on offense. He has a thumb, but he releases it sometimes. Last year, he allowed Payton free reign during the first Phili game and we exploded on offense. JJ finally showed the home run threat he could be against a defense that is horrible against the run, and we went away from it. I know it's cliche, but if you want the key to winning the game it's to get nasty on both sides of the line - in the trenches. Payton used a lot of gimmicky plays and misdirection. That worked against a Zimmer run defense. I can guarantee you it's not going to work against a defense that can rush the passer (like Chicago) and contain backs out of the flat. Brees even made mention of this during his post game interviews. It's nothing I didn't see after the second Washington game - you can check my posts if you don't believe me.

The offense didn't play well, but this loss is solely on the defense. They couldn't stop anybody, and it was mostly because of the defensive coaching staff. The offensive coaching staff then panicked, like it seems to do when it goes away from the run, and it became one dimensional. A one dimensional team will always be beat.

 

[AdamJT13]

If you knew anything about defensive football, you would realize the safeties were specifically targeted throughout the game!

Throughout the game? If they were targeting the safeties, then wouldn't they have been throwing the ball downfield, to where the safeties were in coverage, rather than dumping it off underneath the linebackers all day?

The Saints did complete three deep passes against the safeties, but the vast majority of their passes -- 29 out of 38 -- were thrown no more than 6 yards downfield. And of the nine passes thrown more than 6 yards downfield, only four of them were completed.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

If you knew anything about defensive football, you would realize the safeties were specifically targeted throughout the game!

There were plenty of plays Drew B had to hold the ball. That tells me nothing was open down field. How many pass plays did NO run? You can't be perfect on every play.

 

[dbair1967]

If you knew anything about defensive football, you would realize the safeties were specifically targeted throughout the game!

really? it was totally their fault that pass after pass in the flats to RB's, FB's and 3rd string TE's was their responsibility? Total completions last night to these 3 positions: 16, WR's 10

since we dont play much man to man coverage at all, how is the above and example of safeties "specifically targeted throughout the game"...looks more to me like Payton knew where the gaping holes in our creampuff zone defenses were, and exploited the hell out of it at the expense of two coaches who had no clue how to combat it

David

 

[starfrombirth]

Let's put the blame at the feet of the true reason...Parcells.

What we saw tonight is how our coaches can coach when the fat thumb of the Tuna isn't screwing things up.

Never saw that kind of play calling and risk taking when Sean was calling plays for us...care to guess why?

Anyone who thinks Zimmer is designing the defensive game plan is crazy.

I hate to think that you might be right. Oh god I'm going to be sick.:ralph:

 

[JohnsKey19]

Payton knew our defense and its tendencies. With the type of plays they were running and how WIDE open their guys were, that much was obvious. The problem was Zimmer and the rest of the coaching staff looked like they had never seen Payton's offense and some of his tendencies. Checkmate.

Our D is too basic. we've been hearing it from the opposition all year. Very good, but (they) dont do a lot to confuse the opponent. We dont have the personnel to play this way. Until we get 1-2 more guys who can effectively rush the passer and some safeties who can run and cover down the field, this defense has to become more complex and take chances.

The sad thing is the game could've gone on for 8 more quarters last night and i think the Saints would've scored TDs on 75 % of their drives. That's how overmatched we were, particularly from a scheme/coaching standpoint.

 

[panchucko]

no doubt about it, this might be the game that gets Zimmer canned in the offseason unless we make a significant run

Why wait until the offseason, Parcells can call the 3-4, and there are other Coordinators getting canned during the season, (Bellick - Fassel comes to mind).
I think Parcells keeps Zimmer around because he calls the game the way he wants him to.

 

[CowboyChris]

this sounds crazy but i think we have better personnel to run a 4-3 then the 3-4 we are trying to run. if we arent going to run an agressive 3-4, why run it at all? also im so tired of watching our db's not looking back at the ball. GROZ

 

[CooterBrown]

But speaking of McBriar, why on earth did we decline the running into the kicker penalty? They fair caught the punt at the 17. If we kick it again from the 50, we have a chance of pinning them inside the 10. And if it goes into the end zone, it's only 3 yards' difference. The difference between the 17 and the 20 is minuscule, but the difference between the 17 and the 7 or the 3 is enormous. And the chances of them getting the ball outside the 20 are tiny. To me, that was just one more mistake our coaches made.

The penalty wasn't declined. The five yards was marched off from the point where the saints got the ball. The punting team has three options: (1)Decline the penalty, (2) accept the penalty, move 5 yards forward and rekick, or (3)acccept the penalty and move the ball back five yards from the end of the play. Dallas chose #3.