Peerless Price's Downfall was...

[Ashwynn]

IMHO, he was never a true number one reciever. He benefitted from the system in Buffalo. As a Cowboy, I think he could have a resurgence because he would not be the number one option.

Thoughts?

Moulds was the Number 1. I said before Price is a great #2, but he can not take the pressure and focus that a #1 takes and perform like a #1. Hes not a #1 receiver.

Look at his great years, Buffalo - 90+ catches with Moulds took all the pressure of the defensive focus. When he went to Atlanta, He was asked to be #1. He couldnt do it. He needs someone else to be the focal point of the offense to maximize his effectiveness. Can a Running back take pressure off a receiver. I dunno. But we dont have the #1 receiver we need to make him tthe best #2 he can be.

 

[Doomsday101]

Vick will never sniff a super bowl. His best chance was last year in a weakened NFC. I don't care how fast he runs, if he only completes 52% of his passes -in a west coast offense, no less- he will never amount to anything.

I agree with what your saying but I won't go so far as to say NEVER. If Vick is willing to learn which I think he is he could develope into a much better passer than he currently is. Time will tell

 

[InmanRoshi]

Moulds was the Number 1. I said before Price is a great #2, but he can not take the pressure and focus that a #1 takes and perform like a #1. Hes not a #1 receiver.

Look at his great years, Buffalo - 90+ catches with Moulds took all the pressure of the defensive focus. When he went to Atlanta, He was asked to be #1. He couldnt do it. He needs someone else to be the focal point of the offense to maximize his effectiveness. Can a Running back take pressure off a receiver. I dunno. But we dont have the #1 receiver we need to make him tthe best #2 he can be.

That's fine. We don't need Price to catch 95 for 1250 again. We're certainly not going to pay him that knd of money.

 

[aikemirv]

This stuff about having a number one receiver to take pressure off is really a load of crap IMO. I mean , how many WR in THe NFL really take pressure off the other receiver. I would venture to say that there are only a few that command double teams to a great degree and take attention from the other WR.

Moss, TO are the main two that defenses really adjust for.

Marvin Harrison - yes maybe, but if you double him Peyton will eat you alive w Wayne and Stokely so why bother.

Chad Johnson, Torry Holt, Joe Horn - Maybe, and Horn is a big maybe.

We don't have a impact guy, but still Glenn and Keyshawn put up good numbers when healthy.

 

[AbeBeta]

Price's failures came from: a) not playing in a passing offense. It isn't just Price - first round pick Michael Jenkins played every game but only caught 7 balls last year. b) playing with a poor PASSING QB. Vick is stud but if he wasn't running the ball so well he'd be among worst starting QBs in the league. c) Price isn't a #1 receiver - the adage is "don't get someone's #2 to be your #1." d) His size. Too be an effective #1 at Price's size you need to be something special - like Isaac Bruce or a tough as nails guy like L. Coles. e) his contract. Dude got paid like a #1 and the Falcons gave up a first rounder to get him. Falcons needed to cut bait since they were paying #1 money to a #2 receiver.

 

[BlueStar22]

This stuff about having a number one receiver to take pressure off is really a load of crap IMO. I mean , how many WR in THe NFL really take pressure off the other receiver. I would venture to say that there are only a few that command double teams to a great degree and take attention from the other WR.

Did you not see Todd Pinkston have a much better year last year with defense focusing on TO all the time.

 

[StarMan2112]

I think the Peerless Price situation is very similar to Alvin Harper. Harper was a nice complementary WR in Dallas with Irvin. But when Tampa tried to make him a #1, he flopped.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think the Peerless Price situation is very similar to Alvin Harper. Harper was a nice complementary WR in Dallas with Irvin. But when Tampa tried to make him a #1, he flopped.

"don't make someone's #2 your #1" - Let's hope it wasn't like Harper because he never did anything after Tampa.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Price's failures came from: a) not playing in a passing offense. It isn't just Price - first round pick Michael Jenkins played every game but only caught 7 balls last year. b) playing with a poor PASSING QB. Vick is stud but if he wasn't running the ball so well he'd be among worst starting QBs in the league. c) Price isn't a #1 receiver - the adage is "don't get someone's #2 to be your #1." d) His size. Too be an effective #1 at Price's size you need to be something special - like Isaac Bruce or a tough as nails guy like L. Coles. e) his contract. Dude got paid like a #1 and the Falcons gave up a first rounder to get him. Falcons needed to cut bait since they were paying #1 money to a #2 receiver.

On your point d - the size issue with Price.

He is one of the NFL players whose 'official' height-weight appears to be realistic. Not one of those 5'11's who barely reach the bottom of 5'10". he also has that shorter but 'thicker' body type of a Galloway...not the gangly, loose jointed body Tuna shys from in his return specialists.

He's really built very much like a Lav Coles..or a taller Steve Smith.

It's the 'tude about contact that differs.

 

[alpha]

Glenn is the only deep threat on the team, and Glenn has only played a complete 16 game schedule twice in his nine year career.

Unlike Morgan, Peerless is a burner and hasn't missed a game in his six year career.

No, his numbers weren't worth braggin about playing with Vick, but nobody has ever accused Vick of being an elite passer either.

For a little perspective consider the following: Price caught 64 balls for 838 yards playing with career journeymen/backups Doug Johnson and Kurt Kittner in 2003 (when Vick missed most of the season). He caught 45 for 575 the next season playing with Vick.

 

[AbeBeta]

He's really built very much like a Lav Coles..or a taller Steve Smith.

It's the 'tude about contact that differs.

Unfortunately Smith likes to make contact with his teammates too. Fist to face.

 

[haasbro]

This stuff about having a number one receiver to take pressure off is really a load of crap IMO. I mean , how many WR in THe NFL really take pressure off the other receiver. I would venture to say that there are only a few that command double teams to a great degree and take attention from the other WR.

Moss, TO are the main two that defenses really adjust for.

Marvin Harrison - yes maybe, but if you double him Peyton will eat you alive w Wayne and Stokely so why bother.

Chad Johnson, Torry Holt, Joe Horn - Maybe, and Horn is a big maybe.

We don't have a impact guy, but still Glenn and Keyshawn put up good numbers when healthy.

My friend. Have we forgotten Alvin Harper? Even though Irvin had a Hall of Fame career, Imagine what his numbers and career would have been had Harper not done a Peerless Price and bolted to be the guy.

 

[Ashwynn]

This stuff about having a number one receiver to take pressure off is really a load of crap IMO. I mean , how many WR in THe NFL really take pressure off the other receiver. I would venture to say that there are only a few that command double teams to a great degree and take attention from the other WR.

Moss, TO are the main two that defenses really adjust for.

Marvin Harrison - yes maybe, but if you double him Peyton will eat you alive w Wayne and Stokely so why bother.

Chad Johnson, Torry Holt, Joe Horn - Maybe, and Horn is a big maybe.

We don't have a impact guy, but still Glenn and Keyshawn put up good numbers when healthy.

Dude, when you have to double Michael Irvin you release someone else to single coverage, Your centerfielder is no longer free to roam and make plays, Hes locked up on Irvin. thats how your #1 takes pressure off the #2 and #3. The fact there are few true #1 (ala Moss, Moss and Owens) does not make this fact BS. its true and you ask any coach he will tell you when you have a playmaker #1, your #2 and #3 breath so much easier.

You call it what you want, But a great #1 will make being a #2 so much easier.

All that being said, I am not saying dont sign Price. But he may well be the Atlanta version we get, not the Buffalo version.

 

[kartr]

I'd take Peyton Manning over Michael Vick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Vick will never win a Super Bowl. Book it!

Manning has 2 first round receivers, a first round TE, a first round RB and one of the best OL in the NFL. He's also played in the same offense every year he's been in the NFL. Manning also is much more experienced than Vick. In last years AFC championship, the Colt D held the Pats to 6 points at half time. Where was Manning's superior skills? Vick with a lesser supporting cast, lesser experience led his team to a conference championship just as Manning did. Watch Manning not be able to duplicate in 2005 what he did in 2004, because he has a tough schedule instead of an easy one. Watch Manning walk off the field with his head down and his tail tucked between legs again this year.

 

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

name me a qb who didnt have a number 1 wr actually have that wideout have a good season.

John Elway.....He made three spare receivers, Ricky Nattiel, Mark Jackson and Vance Johnson(?) look pretty darn good.

Peerless Price's downfall, was Mike Vick!

 

[Charles]

IMHO, he was never a true number one reciever. He benefitted from the system in Buffalo. As a Cowboy, I think he could have a resurgence because he would not be the number one option.

Thoughts?

Hey thats an opinion.

Watch out the mods might mover this thread to the dreaded Opinion Zone :laugh2:

 

[aikemirv]

Dude, when you have to double Michael Irvin you release someone else to single coverage, Your centerfielder is no longer free to roam and make plays, Hes locked up on Irvin. thats how your #1 takes pressure off the #2 and #3. The fact there are few true #1 (ala Moss, Moss and Owens) does not make this fact BS. its true and you ask any coach he will tell you when you have a playmaker #1, your #2 and #3 breath so much easier.

You call it what you want, But a great #1 will make being a #2 so much easier.

All that being said, I am not saying dont sign Price. But he may well be the Atlanta version we get, not the Buffalo version.

I was not talking about the past, I was talking about right now in the NFL. It is true, but there are not many of the WR in the NFl that take the pressure off the other guy, that is what I was saying. When they do teams usually put the weaker corner on the playmaker and give him help and put their stronger corner on the other side.

If Price had all those yards, even with man coverage and double on Moulds, it just means that he can beat single coverage. If he can do that he can get seperation and be very successful in our offense. That was the point I was trying to make.