Penalties... No Tashard Choice

[newlander]

the penalties are here to stay IMO: good players that are poorly coached will continue to have penalty issues: that's a fact.




PS; good idea on TC for kick returns: Austin doing it is a BAD idea right now.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'd like to see Choice get some carries, as we all would, but folks be realistic here.

You've got 3 backs who you want to see get the ball. Two TE's who we'd like to see getting the ball. 3 WR's who you want to see getting the ball. For Christ sakes unless we average 80 plays a game you're not going to see all the guys getting the ball in every game. It's just not going to happen.

There are only so many plays a game and they've got to get the ball in the hands of every one of their playmakers that they can. Unfortunately some games Choice will be the odd man out. Some games it's going to be Felix. Others it will be Bennett. Sometimes it will be Williams, Crayton, Witten or Austin.

Unless we start running 80 or more plays a game and scoring 40 or more points a game you're not going to be 100% happy with the amount of touches that they all get.

 

[onetrickpony]

Garrett offense put up 27 points on the day, for god sake get off his back.

My, my aren't we touchy this morning....


It's a legitimate observation, especially when Barber was struggling early. Nobody on this team is performing at a level that is above receiving some critique of their game. Even Austin fumbled....

 

[Doomsday101]

My, my aren't we touchy this morning....


It's a legitimate observation, especially when Barber was struggling early. Nobody on this team is performing at a level that is above receiving some critique of their game. Even Austin fumbled....

No I just get tired of seeing Garrett ripped on by those who think they know how to run an offense.

 

[odog422]

No in many of those instance Choice is going out on the pass rout and came up with a big catch for 23 yards. Being in on 3rd down does not make you just the blocker.

Not true. If you're a RB, it's your first responsibility. You can't release and leave blitzers unblocked.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not true. If you're a RB, it's your first responsibility. You can't release and leave blitzers unblocked.

In many cases yes they do. It depends on the call that is coming in. If your the RB and your swinging out into the flats you better not get hung up blocking

 

[odog422]

I'd like to see Choice get some carries, as we all would, but folks be realistic here.

You've got 3 backs who you want to see get the ball. Two TE's who we'd like to see getting the ball. 3 WR's who you want to see getting the ball. For Christ sakes unless we average 80 plays a game you're not going to see all the guys getting the ball in every game. It's just not going to happen.

There are only so many plays a game and they've got to get the ball in the hands of every one of their playmakers that they can. Unfortunately some games Choice will be the odd man out. Some games it's going to be Felix. Others it will be Bennett. Sometimes it will be Williams, Crayton, Witten or Austin.

Unless we start running 80 or more plays a game and scoring 40 or more points a game you're not going to be 100% happy with the amount of touches that they all get.

That's not my point. My point is Barber is clearly not healthy. That being the case, why not utilize an extremely effective option? It bothers me to see Barber laboring when a healthy, productive back is on the bench.

 

[aikemirv]

I think the game plan was pass all day anyway to tell you the truth. Atlanta line, while smaller is very quick and caused problems for us. Garrett must have expected that because that is the way it played out.

We did not have much luck running until the second half. I don't think, from the holes I saw anyway that Choice would have fared much better.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the game plan was pass all day anyway to tell you the truth. Atlanta line, while smaller is very quick and caused problems for us. Garrett must have expected that because that is the way it played out.

We did not have much luck running until the second half. I don't think, from the holes I saw anyway that Choice would have fared much better.

No doubt Alt came in looking to stop the run

 

[odog422]

In many cases yes they do. It depends on the call that is coming in. If your the RB and your swinging out into the flats you better not get hung up blocking

And they run those same plays for Barber as well, so your point is what? It is simply not true that they usually put Choice to go out for a pass. And I guarantee you that the majority of time a back releases, his first responsibility is to ALWAYS check the rush.

 

[JBond]

How is it that EVERY fan in the stadium was not on their feet booing at the top of their lungs at about the third flag on the o-line?
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Really? You think booing will help? That's what good fans do? I believe you have your priorities backwards.

Dallas fans apparently have no idea what to do at a football game.

 

[Doomsday101]

And they run those same plays for Barber as well, so your point is what? It is simply not true that they usually put Choice to go out for a pass. And I guarantee you that the majority of time a back releases, his first responsibility is to ALWAYS check the rush.

and I guarantee you Barber is the better blocker, Choice is good Barber is better. If you disagree fine but the coaches do it for a reason based on what they see during the week. Tell me are you there during the week? I did not think so.

 

[odog422]

I think the game plan was pass all day anyway to tell you the truth. Atlanta line, while smaller is very quick and caused problems for us. Garrett must have expected that because that is the way it played out.

We did not have much luck running until the second half. I don't think, from the holes I saw anyway that Choice would have fared much better.

But that's the thing that separates Choice and makes him so effective...he's able to find those holes and creases where there don't appear to be any. Were you watching the KC game, for example, thinking "my God, Barber is missing those holes!" Probably not. At least, I wasn't. But when Choice came in, all of a sudden there are these seams and lanes and positive yards.

Given that, as well as the fact Barber's not healthy, why not use Choice, and lessen Barber's load til he's healthy? Or better still, return him to his Pro Bowl role as a closer when his physicality pays big dividends. At the very least, til he's healthy again.

 

[odog422]

and I guarantee you Barber is the better blocker, Choice is good Barber is better. If you disagree fine but the coaches do it for a reason based on what they see during the week. Tell me are you there during the week? I did not think so.

You're right, neither of us are. But you still haven't told me why the coaches are putting the lesser blocker in on obvious passing/blitzing downs.

 

[Doomsday101]

You're right, neither of us are. But you still haven't told me why the coaches are putting the lesser blocker in on obvious passing/blitzing downs.

Because they feel Choice is better coming out of the back field. Sorry on 3rd down passing situation many times the back is going out into the rout guys like Westbrook have made a good living at doing just that. If you can't understand that then sorry.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I personally think they were trying to give the other 2 some work...since it has been awhile for #24 and #28.

 

[ZeroClub]

This seems to be the argument against...that Barber is the better blocker. Barber is the more physical blocker, but Choice is just as good. Why else the coaches have him as the 3rd down back - obvious passing/blitzing down?

I have yet to see a good reason for not utilizing this guy for some carries, particularly while Barber is obviously not healthy. Extend drives, burn time, less risk for Romo.

Not knocking Barber, just saying the idea is to get your best players on the field. I think that's pretty universal.

I thought the Kansas City game said a lot about how Garrett is a little gun shy about Choice.

Barber was obviously slowed by injury. Choice was running well. That Choice was running better than Barber was obvious. Garrett couldn't have been oblivious to it. And yet despite the fact that Choice was performing better than Barber, Garrett brought Barber back onto the field.

All I'm saying is that Garrett must have had a reason for bringing Barber back and sitting Choice.

The most logical explanation that I can come up with is that Garrett doesn't trust Choice's pass protection (or at least doesn't trust Choice as much as Barber).

Wasn't it earlier in that particular game that Choice whiffed on a block and Romo got hammered? (It might have been the Denver game, I don't remember).

 

[odog422]

Because they feel Choice is better coming out of the back field. Sorry on 3rd down passing situation many times the back is going out into the rout guys like Westbrook have made a good living at doing just that. If you can't understand that then sorry.

Yes, Westbrook has, in the West Coast offense, where the short pass to backs out of the backfield is a staple and basically considered a long handoff. Not our offense, sorry.

Protection comes first, then the checkdowns. If it was all about coming out of the backfield, Felix would be our 3rd down back. Pretty much accepted that is the weakest part of his game, hence he's not in there.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, Westbrook has, in the West Coast offense, where the short pass to backs out of the backfield is a staple and basically considered a long handoff. Not our offense, sorry.

Protection comes first, then the checkdowns. If it was all about coming out of the backfield, Felix would be our 3rd down back. Pretty much accepted that is the weakest part of his game, hence he's not in there.

Then please enlighten us to why Barber is in and Choice was not? I know Garrett does not know what he is doing, isn't that the line being used by those who are not at practice or meetings but only sees what the TV shows

 

[odog422]

I personally think they were trying to give the other 2 some work...since it has been awhile for #24 and #28.

Felix I could understand, but Barber is still clearly laboring. Why push it? Especially when not effective because of it?