Penalties!

[fanfromvirginia]

The reason this game was close was us shooting ourselves repeatedly in the foot with turnovers and penalties. It would be one thing if it was an isolated incident but every week its the same story.

Actually, it's not. Every week is different. What's worrying is that we've done terribly two weeks running.

Even then, our penalties and turnovers are better than last year. I've been keeping track of this since Game 1. I'll update the info later. But the bottom line is that we're below average and sinking but last year we were dead last.

 

[craig71]

Actually, it's not. Every week is different. What's worrying is that we've done terribly two weeks running.

Even then, our penalties and turnovers are better than last year. I've been keeping track of this since Game 1. I'll update the info later. But the bottom line is that we're below average and sinking but last year we were dead last.

Interesting,but I wonder how many of those penalties have been procedure penalties.Procedure penalties generally are a reflection of coaching,atleast i've heard that somewhere.I wonder how many procedure penalties were commited under Parcells as compared to Wade's tenure.

Craig

 

[reddyuta]

i think we have a some really dumb players on this team,coaching cant expalin this kind of dumbness.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Interesting,but I wonder how many of those penalties have been procedure penalties.Procedure penalties generally are a reflection of coaching,atleast i've heard that somewhere.I wonder how many procedure penalties were commited under Parcells as compared to Wade's tenure.

Craig

Good question. I'm way too lazy to look it up.

 

[speedkilz88]

The presnap penalties were a problem today, but some of the other penalties to me were questionable calls.

 

[DTK]

Yeah Ok, since when Parcells coached this team, it was the most desciplined team. Oh wait a minute.... It wasn't? I guess BP didn't know how to coach either since he had 3 HCs in waiting on his staff.... What bunch of loosers those coaches were too..

Where did I mention Parcells?

I'm sorry, but being undisciplined is a result of coaching. Not just in football, but in any sport. Undisciplined teams find ways to lose games. I just want to see this team more disciplined...is that too much to ask? Supposedly, we have talent. Talent without discipline is simply potential. Potential is not a good term to be labeled.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Good question. I'm way too lazy to look it up.

Best I could find is this blog/article by a fan. Not sure where he got his stats.

http://www.fanbase.com/article/penalties-are-down-in-the-nfl,/609

Edit: Based on it, last year was bad. 2007 it was only 4 more than 2006. This year it started good, but last two games, it went downhill I think. Seems like no matter what Wade did in TC, it didn't work. It was same with BP, team would always have a penalty at the wrong time, even if they were low.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Where did I mention Parcells?

I'm sorry, but being undisciplined is a result of coaching. Not just in football, but in any sport. Undisciplined teams find ways to lose games. I just want to see this team more disciplined...is that too much to ask? Supposedly, we have talent. Talent without discipline is simply potential. Potential is not a good term to be labeled.

Ok, like I said, you are essentially saying BP wasn't a good coach? Last ten years, 2001 team has the lowest penalties, according the article posted below. So I guess Campo was better coach then BP or Wade? How about that? I Guess we can hire Campo back as HC since he can sure seem to be able to limit player penalties

 

[craig71]

Best I could find is this blog/article by a fan. Not sure where he got his stats.

http://www.fanbase.com/article/penalties-are-down-in-the-nfl,/609

Edit: Based on it, last year was bad. 2007 it was only 4 more than 2006. This year it started good, but last two games, it went downhill I think. Seems like no matter what Wade did in TC, it didn't work. It was same with BP, team would always have a penalty at the wrong time, even if they were low.

I'm starting to really believe an older coach is just a relic that needs to be shelved,atleast for this team.I can in no way quantify my remark,but it sure seems that an older coach cannot relate to this team.

Craig

 

[DTK]

Ok, like I said, you are essentially saying BP wasn't a good coach? Last ten years, 2001 team has the lowest penalties, according the article posted below. So I guess Campo was better coach then BP or Wade? How about that? I Guess we can hire Campo back as HC since he can sure seem to be able to limit player penalties

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned Parcells in my original post and I haven't mentioned any other coaches period.

The fact remains that this team is undisciplined. Whether its penalties, poor routes, missed assignments, etc. Who's responsible for discipline?

 

[craig71]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned Parcells in my original post and I haven't mentioned any other coaches period.

The fact remains that this team is undisciplined. Whether its penalties, poor routes, missed assignments, etc. Who's responsible for discipline?

My opinion,which doesn't mean all that much,is that the head coach is responsible for the discipline of the team.

Craig

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Anybody know if we broke or tied any records with the number of penalties we received?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Best I could find is this blog/article by a fan. Not sure where he got his stats.

http://www.fanbase.com/article/penalties-are-down-in-the-nfl,/609

Edit: Based on it, last year was bad. 2007 it was only 4 more than 2006. This year it started good, but last two games, it went downhill I think. Seems like no matter what Wade did in TC, it didn't work. It was same with BP, team would always have a penalty at the wrong time, even if they were low.

Yeah, I mostly agree with you, except there were a couple seasons under BP when we really were pretty good overall.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned Parcells in my original post and I haven't mentioned any other coaches period.

The fact remains that this team is undisciplined. Whether its penalties, poor routes, missed assignments, etc. Who's responsible for discipline?

What the heck are you talking about dude? You tell me? If no coach cowboys had recently or past 7-8 years have been able to coach or limit penalties of cowboys, then what are you suggesting?

Offer a solution, not just blame it on coaching. I just provided you a link that shows, last few years, Campo did the best job according to your definition of coaching players not to commit penalties. You decide then.

You are then saying coaches are responsible for penalties. I am saying its the players or rather its a combo. Coaches can only do so much, they cannot play for the players. In the words of Bill Parcells Coaches "Don't coach penalties".

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Anybody know if we broke or tied any records with the number of penalties we received?

I'm pretty sure we didn't but I will say that that the 13 we got today was almost double our average last year when we were dead last. Yikes.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I'm pretty sure we didn't but I will say that that the 13 we got today was almost double our average last year when we were dead last. Yikes.

I thought we got 17 penalties?

Oh well, it was quite a few, so I lost count.

 

[FLcowboy]

If you have been paying attention you will know that Jerry will not allow this.

Neither will the players union

 

[DTK]

What the heck are you talking about dude? You tell me? If no coach cowboys had recently or past 7-8 years have been able to coach or limit penalties of cowboys, then what are you suggesting?

Offer a solution, not just blame it on coaching. I just provided you a link that shows, last few years, Campo did the best job according to your definition of coaching players not to commit penalties. You decide then.

You are then saying coaches are responsible for penalties. I am saying its the players or rather its a combo. Coaches can only do so much, they cannot play for the players. In the words of Bill Parcells Coaches "Don't coach penalties".

I'm talking about this team being undisciplined! Its unacceptable and the players should be held accountable one way or another. I agree with Parcells 100%--coaches don't teach you how to make penalties. But not paying attention to details is poor coaching. Pre-snap penalties, turnovers, etc. IMHO is due to a lack of detail. That can be coached!

One little mistake is acceptable. But THIRTEEN penalties, 2 lost fumbles, a missed FG because the holder didn't put the laces out! Heck, we had 4 offsides penalties on one drive! I've never seen that in any level of football...EVER!

A bunch of little mistakes pile up over time and result in a mountain of problems. This team is working on that mountain.

Offer a solution? Since when did I become so important to merit such power? I'm pointing out the obvious problem. It's up to Jerry Jones to decide on the solution.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I'm talking about this team being undisciplined! Its unacceptable and the players should be held accountable one way or another. I agree with Parcells 100%--coaches don't teach you how to make penalties. But not paying attention to details is poor coaching. Pre-snap penalties, turnovers, etc. IMHO is due to a lack of detail. That can be coached!

One little mistake is acceptable. But THIRTEEN penalties, 2 lost fumbles, a missed FG because the holder didn't put the laces out! Heck, we had 4 offsides penalties on one drive! I've never seen that in any level of football...EVER!

A bunch of little mistakes pile up over time and result in a mountain of problems. This team is working on that mountain.

Offer a solution? Since when did I become so important to merit such power? I'm pointing out the obvious problem. It's up to Jerry Jones to decide on the solution.

Right, so far he hasn't found one. Just like GROZ crowd (Get Rid of ZImmer), its not about coaching always. Its about the players. Not sure we fans will ever accept that. Like I said, its easier to ask to change coaches than admit that cowboys have some dumb players.

 

[DTK]

Right, so far he hasn't found one. Just like GROZ crowd (Get Rid of ZImmer), its not about coaching always. Its about the players. Not sure we fans will ever accept that. Like I said, its easier to ask to change coaches than admit that cowboys have some dumb players.

I can agree with that statement, because I feel that a lot of our players are overrated. But some of our players leave here and play fairly well under different coaches. For example, Roy Williams is currently playing very well for the Cincinnati Bengals, coached of course by Zimmer.