Penalty Question

[Future]

Not sure if it was discussed anywhere or not...and in no way do I think this impacted the game. Just to get that out of the way.

But how was the hit on Tony not a penalty...looked to me like Babin lead with his head and got Tony right on the chin. They kept shortening the replay, but it looked like what should have been a roughing call.

Then later they called that penalty on Spencer which I thought was atrocious. The guy was trying to get up, and Spencer got him shoulder to shoulder. It was a hard hit, but that's not a penalty imo. Actually I'd want Spencer to hit him like that every time, penalty or no.

Any thoughts?

 

[nalam]

Not sure if it was discussed anywhere or not...and in no way do I think this impacted the game. Just to get that out of the way.

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Any thoughts?

I wonder howmany times our QB get hit , pummelled to the ground after the has thrown the ball , Mcgee was put atleast 3 diff occasions , but no flag ?

 

[Jimz31]

Anyone remember when Vick was complaining about not getting calls when getting hit? Then the crew went to Dilfer and he showed all of the calls where Vick WAS getting the call?

Then he asked what QB in the league was NOT getting calls on hits. He said and showed alot of the hits that Romo was taking and not getting the calls.

You would have thought the NFL would have seen this and at least talked to the refs about the disparity in calls......yet Cowboys QB's have seemingly always had the bad end in this regard.

 

[TheDallasDon]

It's a conspiracy I tell u.........the League hates people who where there hat backwards!!!!

But I agree Tony never gets the call.....maybe its cuz he never cries about Idk???

 

[Wimbo]

I have a penalty question, too.
There was a play - cant remember when, but we were still in the game - where The refs called an illegal formation penalty against Dallas. The play was a disaster, so the Eagles declined the penalty & Dallas lost the down.
Here's my question...
Shouldn't illegal formation be a pre-snap penalty? I think that if the ball is snapped with people lined up illegally, then it should be a dead ball penalty with automatic loss of yards but no loss of down. Am I missing something here?

The closest thing I can think of on the opposite side of the ball is when the offense snaps while a defender is offsides... as you know, that is a free play for the offense & they get the better of the two results (penalty or play results). However, I think it is the Offensive team's responsibility to declare the line set & the snap imminent. Until the offense is legally lined up & set, I don't think a 'live ball' situation should be allowed.

Thoughts?

I am sure I have just missed something obvious...

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

It was clearly a penalty IMO.

 

[Jenky]

I have a penalty question, too.
There was a play - cant remember when, but we were still in the game - where The refs called an illegal formation penalty against Dallas. The play was a disaster, so the Eagles declined the penalty & Dallas lost the down.
Here's my question...
Shouldn't illegal formation be a pre-snap penalty? I think that if the ball is snapped with people lined up illegally, then it should be a dead ball penalty with automatic loss of yards but no loss of down. Am I missing something here?

The closest thing I can think of on the opposite side of the ball is when the offense snaps while a defender is offsides... as you know, that is a free play for the offense & they get the better of the two results (penalty or play results). However, I think it is the Offensive team's responsibility to declare the line set & the snap imminent. Until the offense is legally lined up & set, I don't think a 'live ball' situation should be allowed.

Thoughts?

I am sure I have just missed something obvious...

You're talking about the pitch to Sammy Morris where Dez wasn't set. Idiotic play call.

But I recall teams scoring while in an illegal formation, only to have the the TD negated.

 

[67CowboysFan]

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/in-the-bleachers-slideshow/20111222-bl111222-gif-photo-050633500.html

 

[BourbonBalz]

People can say what they want to, but I watch enough NFL football to know that Romo almost NEVER gets a call. Why? No idea, but it's just a fact.

 

[jobberone]

I have a penalty question, too.
There was a play - cant remember when, but we were still in the game - where The refs called an illegal formation penalty against Dallas. The play was a disaster, so the Eagles declined the penalty & Dallas lost the down.
Here's my question...
Shouldn't illegal formation be a pre-snap penalty? I think that if the ball is snapped with people lined up illegally, then it should be a dead ball penalty with automatic loss of yards but no loss of down. Am I missing something here?

The closest thing I can think of on the opposite side of the ball is when the offense snaps while a defender is offsides... as you know, that is a free play for the offense & they get the better of the two results (penalty or play results). However, I think it is the Offensive team's responsibility to declare the line set & the snap imminent. Until the offense is legally lined up & set, I don't think a 'live ball' situation should be allowed.

Thoughts?

I am sure I have just missed something obvious...

Not sure of all the reasons or the one for which it was called but say the RT is uncovered then the play is an illegal formation but you don't blow the whistle for it, you let the play finish throwing the flag as soon as the ball is snapped (live ball) and the tackle is still uncovered. That's just one.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I thought it was helmet to helmet but hell, when Romo gets the benefit of a roughing call I will eat my shirt

 

[jobberone]

You blow the whistle for a dead ball foul or if the play is completed (unless of course it's an inadvertent whistle). Unless there is a dead ball foul then once the ball is snapped you have a live play (assuming it was not an illegal snap) and it is completed before any penalty enforcement is optioned.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Wimbo, the offense still has the chance to change the formation pre-snap. That is why it is not called. The defense has the right to accept or decline the penalty thus the play continues in case of a turnover or huge loss.

 

[Garland powerplay]

The defender is normally given a couple steps when rushing QB. If hes close enough for QB to hit his hand on helmet then this would not be late hit. Helmet to helmet could be called but didnt see that. Generally if defender is not in a spearing motion the refs would not call.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Spencer hit him with his shoulder not helmet and only because the player wasn't touched down and was getting back up. It shouldn't have been a penalty.

 

[TheDallasDon]

The defender is normally given a couple steps when rushing QB. If hes close enough for QB to hit his hand on helmet then this would not be late hit. Helmet to helmet could be called but didnt see that. Generally if defender is not in a spearing motion the refs would not call.

Tom Brady disagrees

@Yeager I agree, this is not flag football

 

[nalam]

Tom Brady disagrees

@Yeager I agree, this is not flag football

And Brady will get most of those calls.

 

[Deep_South]

Then there was the 2nd guy who piled on after Romo was down...

 

[TheDallasDon]

And Brady will get most of those calls.

That's because he cries more then a newborn, u don't see Romo doing this and I think that has alot 2 with it IMO.

 

[joseephuss]

What I didn't get was the illegal forward pass by Vick. They went from 1st and 10 to 2nd and 14(13 if you look on NFL.com). Since when is the penalty marked off from where he threw the ball. I always thought the five yards was supposed to be from the original line of scrimmage, which would have made it 2nd and 15.