Penn St. put on notice regarding accreditation

[BrAinPaiNt]

Suppose an NFL team had a player who did something like this to a minor and then simply traded the player away. Should the team be help accountable? Should their wins be vacated if the coach, owner or GM did nothing about or tried to keep it quiet?

Should those wins be taken away? Or any championships they had won?

If the head of the teams (owner, GM, coaches) covered it up for years that a player was molesting a minor on the property and in the shower then the parties involved should be punished. If that punishment also hurt in recruiting to the team, hurt financially in some ways that might prevent them from having enough money to sign an extra player or two, hurt in some way that retroactively removed some wins...I have no problem with it because the ownership and leadership of a team represents the team.

The only time I would have a problem with it is if the team/school is punished but the people in charge (coaches, GMs, ADs) were not punished.

Kind of how USC got in trouble and punished but Pete Basically just quit USC instead of being fired...at least I don't think he was fired, I could be wrong on that.

Either way that would irk me.

I don't like how some college players have to sit out a year if they are kicked off a team but HCs can get in trouble and in many cases do not have to sit out a year...although I think that changed not long ago or it might just have been an isolated case with Tressel.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You obviously don't know what it means, either. They want to make sure that the new leadership in place at Penn State can demonstrate they can do their jobs. If they fail as miserably as the previous administration, then the university doesn't deserve to keep their accreditation. In essence it is an empty threat because no one expects the new president and whomever else is running the university to be as completely as incompetent as the previous crew. I have no idea why people are getting bent out of shape over Penn State being told to do a good job.

The school is basically being told that they are being held responsible for what they let the leaders get away with and they are going to be watched now to make sure it does not happen again in the near future.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

If the head of the teams (owner, GM, coaches) covered it up for years that a player was molesting a minor on the property and in the shower then the parties involved should be punished. If that punishment also hurt in recruiting to the team, hurt financially in some ways that might prevent them from having enough money to sign an extra player or two, hurt in some way that retroactively removed some wins...I have no problem with it because the ownership and leadership of a team represents the team.

The only time I would have a problem with it is if the team/school is punished but the people in charge (coaches, GMs, ADs) were not punished.

Kind of how USC got in trouble and punished but Pete Basically just quit USC instead of being fired...at least I don't think he was fired, I could be wrong on that.

Either way that would irk me.

I don't like how some college players have to sit out a year if they are kicked off a team but HCs can get in trouble and in many cases do not have to sit out a year...although I think that changed not long ago or it might just have been an isolated case with Tressel.

Well, now you are parsing it to the detail. Can't you just answer it straight up?

If a team knew, regardless of whether it was on the property or not, (Does it really matter), and didn't go to the authorities or tried to cover it up, would you think all wins should be vacated and the team punished with essentially no draft picks for 4 years, loss of revenue generating availability, loss of wins including any Super Bowls, etc.?

 

[joseephuss]

The school is basically being told that they are being held responsible for what they let the leaders get away with and they are going to be watched now to make sure it does not happen again in the near future.

That is just the worst thing possible.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

You obviously don't know what it means, either. They want to make sure that the new leadership in place at Penn State can demonstrate they can do their jobs. If they fail as miserably as the previous administration, then the university doesn't deserve to keep their accreditation. In essence it is an empty threat because no one expects the new president and whomever else is running the university to be as completely as incompetent as the previous crew. I have no idea why people are getting bent out of shape over Penn State being told to do a good job.

Actually I do. And why make an empty threat other than to hurt the university?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well, now you are parsing it to the detail. Can't you just answer it straight up?

If a team knew, regardless of whether it was on the property or not, (Does it really matter), and didn't go to the authorities or tried to cover it up, would you think all wins should be vacated and the team punished with essentially no draft picks for 4 years, loss of revenue generating availability, loss of wins including any Super Bowls, etc.?

Yes teams should be punished if it is found that those in charge of the teams (coaches, gms (Ads for college), ownership (school presidents for college) have been found to collude in a cover up for a long period of time.

YES YES YES

Now I don't know about what the exact punishment would be but I would have to imagine it would have to be unprecedented or at the very least worse than a very harsh one that has happened in recent years...like USC had...or the case of the NFL worse than what the Saints recently received.

So again YES YES YES they should be punished and punished severely for colluding in the cover up of a child molester for years and years.

Furthermore YES it does matter on property, it amplifies it to even a higher degree of disgust. Because they knew this stuff was going on and not only did they let him get away it...they let him come on to campus and into the locker rooms and the showers. So yes it makes it even worse.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That is just the worst thing possible.

I know it is crazy. A school being held responsible for the actions of those they made it's Leaders to represent them.

Crazy stuff.

What is weird is that there has never been a school that has been punished for the actions of their Coaches, ADs, Presidents and others in charge of aspects of the schools.

It just so happened the decided to wait and do this to Penn State.

So with that in mind. Whatever happens at a school now by a Coach, President, AD or any other top leaders...nothing should happen to the school.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I have coached boys from 9 - 15 for about 20 years. 100's of boys I would guess. My heart aches to think of something like this happending to any one of my boys.

I wept real tears when I heard about this happening at PSU.

I pictured these young boys, who had no male figure in their lives, .. finally finding a male figure that they could trust and look up to. And just when they began to trust, and feel good about themselves they found themselves being shoved against a shower wall and physically violated by being anally raped.

Or they found themselves alone in a dark basement being forced to perform oral sex on the guy that they thought would help them and that they could trust.

Their lives being changed forever, my chest hurts when I think of what those boys must have felt.

Ashamed, alone, couldn't tell anyone, .. and then having to go through this again and again.

Can you imagine the boy in the shower seeing McQueary and thinking, "finally someone to help me!" Sad.

It would be bad enough if other grown men stood by silently and did nothing to stop this, .. as they did.

But that's not all, .. they actually discussed this openly amongst themselves and made a conscious decision to keep quiet about it, .. to not help these young boys being molested. Because it might impact PSU, the football program, the coaches legacey, public image, or whatever they based their unbelievable decision on.

So I had no opinion ahead of time one way or the other what should happen to those men, the university or their football program. Whatever punishment they received, they deserved, .. and then some.

To see people now say that the punishment is too harsh, ... really ??

 

[burmafrd]

Absolutely ZERO evidence of that and nothing like that has been insinuated. Further, if you are going to start looking at every player and their treatment in the classroom, there would be no big time colleges left because that happens at all the schools. I will tell you that it is a know fact that Paterno has kicked players off the team for not achieving a minimum C average. So I doubt that there is anything to that statement at all.

you would never admit it no matter what anyway.

None so blind as will not see

There is EVERY chance that some intimidated teachers gave football players breaks.

As has been noted, Joe Pa ran PSU. Your attempts to white wash him are good for nothing but a few laughs

 

[03EBZ06]

I have coached boys from 9 - 15 for about 20 years. 100's of boys I would guess. My heart aches to think of something like this happending to any one of my boys.

I wept real tears when I heard about this happening at PSU.

I pictured these young boys, who had no male figure in their lives, .. finally finding a male figure that they could trust and look up to. And just when they began to trust, and feel good about themselves they found themselves being shoved against a shower wall and physically violated by being anally raped.

Or they found themselves alone in a dark basement being forced to perform oral sex on the guy that they thought would help them and that they could trust.

Their lives being changed forever, my chest hurts when I think of what those boys must have felt.

Ashamed, alone, couldn't tell anyone, .. and then having to go through this again and again.

Can you imagine the boy in the shower seeing McQueary and thinking, "finally someone to help me!" Sad.

It would be bad enough if other grown men stood by silently and did nothing to stop this, .. as they did.

But that's not all, .. they actually discussed this openly amongst themselves and made a conscious decision to keep quiet about it, .. to not help these young boys being molested. Because it might impact PSU, the football program, the coaches legacey, public image, or whatever they based their unbelievable decision on.

So I had no opinion ahead of time one way or the other what should happen to those men, the university or their football program. Whatever punishment they received, they deserved, .. and then some.

To see people now say that the punishment is too harsh, ... really ??

Well said and I completely agree with you.

Prior to Sandusky's news, I've always respected PSU's football program and Coach Paterno but now, I really don't care what happens to that University or it's football program.

 

[joseephuss]

Actually I do. And why make an empty threat other than to hurt the university?

Then explain how the mere threat of pulling their accreditation hurt the students. I honestly don't see how that hurts.

 

[joseephuss]

These guys just keep making themselves look good.

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20120823_Spanier_sticks_to_story_in_media_blitz.html

 

[Hoofbite]

Some people are far too attached to this topic.

 

[jterrell]

Some people are far too attached to this topic.

I don't know about that.
The events that transpired over a long period of time were heinous enough that the message needs to be sent that absolutely will not ever occur again.

There really isn't a possible 'too harsh' penalty.

Close the school down? Ok, I can accept that.

At some point you have to make a grand and severe statement. Just firing a coach at the end of a couple decades doing this is no where near enough.

PSU and any/all ex-officials really should just be quiet now. Spanier wants to talk tough now? REALLY?!?!? He wasn't tough enough to out and fire his DC but now he is tough? Dude needs to just go away.

 

[visionary]

I have coached boys from 9 - 15 for about 20 years. 100's of boys I would guess. My heart aches to think of something like this happending to any one of my boys.

I wept real tears when I heard about this happening at PSU.

I pictured these young boys, who had no male figure in their lives, .. finally finding a male figure that they could trust and look up to. And just when they began to trust, and feel good about themselves they found themselves being shoved against a shower wall and physically violated by being anally raped.

Or they found themselves alone in a dark basement being forced to perform oral sex on the guy that they thought would help them and that they could trust.

Their lives being changed forever, my chest hurts when I think of what those boys must have felt.

Ashamed, alone, couldn't tell anyone, .. and then having to go through this again and again.

Can you imagine the boy in the shower seeing McQueary and thinking, "finally someone to help me!" Sad.

It would be bad enough if other grown men stood by silently and did nothing to stop this, .. as they did.

But that's not all, .. they actually discussed this openly amongst themselves and made a conscious decision to keep quiet about it, .. to not help these young boys being molested. Because it might impact PSU, the football program, the coaches legacey, public image, or whatever they based their unbelievable decision on.

So I had no opinion ahead of time one way or the other what should happen to those men, the university or their football program. Whatever punishment they received, they deserved, .. and then some.

To see people now say that the punishment is too harsh, ... really ??

well said
not harsh enough in my book

 

[joseephuss]

Some people are far too attached to this topic.

What?