Per Dane Brugler.. possible Dallas guys

[DeaconMoss]

Forum limits he said bosa

I guess he sees bosa as a 3-4 end or strong side 4-3 guy

 

[GoCowboysGo]

Thanks for putting that together and sharing it with us!

 

[Rogerthat12]

Dane and Broaddus go back and forth on Bosa on the draft show.

Also, keep in mind Dane is an Ohio State and CLE Browns fan!

Dane admits Bosa does not have elite edge ability, he just thinks Bosa will disrupt the pocket, can play the run and has sound technique already.

He admits Spence is more dynamic off the edge but views him more as a 3-4 OLB due to size and fit, he thinks he would not be able to handle OT's and the run as a 4-3 end which some would debate.

The better pure pass rusher is Spence but he argues you have to look at the total picture and fit.

Dane does not think the other DE's are superior to Bosa on any level.

By the way, he loves Myles Jack, now his #2 and he will probably kill it at his pro day tomorrow!

 

[DeaconMoss]

Dane and Broaddus go back and forth on Bosa on the draft show.

Also, keep in mind Dane is an Ohio State and CLE Browns fan!

Dane admits Bosa does not have elite edge ability, he just thinks Bosa will disrupt the pocket, can play the run and has sound technique already.

He admits Spence is more dynamic off the edge but views him more as a 3-4 OLB due to size and fit, he thinks he would not be able to handle OT's and the run as a 4-3 end which some would debate.

The better pure pass rusher is Spence but he argues you have to look at the total picture and fit.

By the way, he loves Myles Jack, now his #2 and he will probably kill it at his pro day tomorrow!

I see the same thing. Bosa is a strong side 4-3 end. Buckner Spence and floyd are the rush end guys in a 4-3. If jack kills pro day tomorrow I will be happy and sad bc I want a guy that can play for us and then get hurt instead of coming into the program hurt IE Lee and carter.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I see the same thing. Bosa is a strong side 4-3 end. Buckner Spence and floyd are the rush end guys in a 4-3. If jack kills pro day tomorrow I will be happy and sad bc I want a guy that can play for us and then get hurt instead of coming into the program hurt IE Lee and carter.

Jack is ready to go, just received his UCLA surgeon's full clearance and his trainers have been very careful with him as well.

If his pro day goes well then his April medical rechecks will remove all doubts.

His combine medicals were fine as well, teams just want to see him do everything and see how he looks on the field and want to be sure with the rechecks especially considering he will be potentially a top 5-10 prospect!

Go look at his Twitter and Instagram page, he has been running, lifting and doing drills for months.

His trainers wanted him to wait and he wanted full medical clearance to do everything full go, the time is now!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dane and Broaddus go back and forth on Bosa on the draft show.

Also, keep in mind Dane is an Ohio State and CLE Browns fan!

Dane admits Bosa does not have elite edge ability, he just thinks Bosa will disrupt the pocket, can play the run and has sound technique already.

He admits Spence is more dynamic off the edge but views him more as a 3-4 OLB due to size and fit, he thinks he would not be able to handle OT's and the run as a 4-3 end which some would debate.

The better pure pass rusher is Spence but he argues you have to look at the total picture and fit.

Dane does not think the other DE's are superior to Bosa on any level.

By the way, he loves Myles Jack, now his #2 and he will probably kill it at his pro day tomorrow!

This last show he started to talk about Bosa then Broaddus stated that he was the champion of the "I see a good player not a great player." Brugler says he doesn't dispute that but he only sees Tunsil and perhaps Ramsey as a generational player like that in this draft.

He then said that fans get caught up on the sack number but that is too simple. He brings up DCs gameplanning against Bosa and the total amount of pressure he brought.

FWIW, here is pff on Bosa:

Only six of his 70 pressures came unblocked in 2015. Had to earn them.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/17/draft-joey-bosa-scouting-report/

Then after that Helman commented on how Bosa has gone from considered elite to maybe his isn't perfect to I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

What seemed clear to me was that Dane wasn't overly keen on the good vs great line of reasoning.

They then talked about Spence and he said that he was concerned about his strength at the poa and lack of a counter when he was blocked before even considering his off the field issues. I heard no comparison to Bosa nor claim that he was the better pass rusher.

Said Lawson was a poor fit due to his size.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see the same thing. Bosa is a strong side 4-3 end. Buckner Spence and floyd are the rush end guys in a 4-3. If jack kills pro day tomorrow I will be happy and sad bc I want a guy that can play for us and then get hurt instead of coming into the program hurt IE Lee and carter.

Buckner is 290 lbs. You really see him as a WDE? He looks like a 3 technique to me in this defense.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Brugler also said that he doesn't see the Cowboys picking a RB.

 

[Kaiser]

I really like Brugler but I think too much of the evaluation is the "finished product" idea that Bosa would be able to start right away and is already closer to his ceiling than a lot of other players. I don't expect a lot of playing time from rookies (unless they are in the top ten) and I'd much rather take a guy that is better over a ten year career than overdrafting someone just because he could start right away.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

More than ever I am convinced that QB will be the pick at 4. I find it hard to believe that at the combine Jerry picks Gil Brandt, who he fired as part of the old regime, out of 3,000 journalist there to tell him that he is not picking a QB at 4. Why not Schefter, Werder, or the short guy from Fox. He picks Gil to tell him and only him that he is not picking a QB.

They have filled in many of the defensive holes on defense, except safety. But Jerry and company don't value Safeties. So I think Ramsey, even if he is there will not be the pick. Jack would sit behind McClain and would not beat out Lee. Bosa is not worth the 4th pick. You don't pick a WDE with the 4th pick. Bosa has the makings of his father, a first round bust.

I really think that this is all a Jerry smoke screen. Both Stephen and Garrett said, at the combine, that a QB is a must consideration if there is one at the 4th pick. The QB they take at 4 will be the back up. That's why there is no rush to sign a back up. The rookie can't be any worse that Moore. That's my opinion.

 

[jobberone]

Buckner is 290 lbs. You really see him as a WDE? He looks like a 3 technique to me in this defense.

3/5 traditional Love this guy. Would drop down for a 4 and take him to the bank

 

[gmoney112]

I basically hate everyone in the top 5 unless its a QB, Tunsil, or Ramsey.

If I can't get them, trade down and get as many picks as possible in top 100.,

 

[jobberone]

More than ever I am convinced that QB will be the pick at 4. I find it hard to believe that at the combine Jerry picks Gil Brandt, who he fired as part of the old regime, out of 3,000 journalist there to tell him that he is not picking a QB at 4. Why not Schefter, Werder, or the short guy from Fox. He picks Gil to tell him and only him that he is not picking a QB.

They have filled in many of the defensive holes on defense, except safety. But Jerry and company don't value Safeties. So I think Ramsey, even if he is there will not be the pick. Jack would sit behind McClain and would not beat out Lee. Bosa is not worth the 4th pick. You don't pick a WDE with the 4th pick. Bosa has the makings of his father, a first round bust.

I really think that this is all a Jerry smoke screen. Both Stephen and Garrett said, at the combine, that a QB is a must consideration if there is one at the 4th pick. That's my opinion.

And a good one. I can make all sorts of feasible arguments but if they see a franchise QB there at 4 and they want one this year then it is a no brainer. In fact you can discard the latter part of that IMO although Jerry et al may not see it that way. 36 yo starter and you see a franchise QB at 4 you pull the string. We aren't paying zillion dollar prices for rookies anymore to offset that argument.

 

[Questfor6]

Sign Long, take Jack/Elliott round 1, Jackson III/Joseph round 2

 

[Rogerthat12]

This last show he started to talk about Bosa then Broaddus stated that he was the champion of the "I see a good player not a great player." Brugler says he doesn't dispute that but he only sees Tunsil and perhaps Ramsey as a generational player like that in this draft.

He then said that fans get caught up on the sack number but that is too simple. He brings up DCs gameplanning against Bosa and the total amount of pressure he brought.

FWIW, here is pff on Bosa:



https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/17/draft-joey-bosa-scouting-report/

Then after that Helman commented on how Bosa has gone from considered elite to maybe his isn't perfect to I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

What seemed clear to me was that Dane wasn't overly keen on the good vs great line of reasoning.

They then talked about Spence and he said that he was concerned about his strength at the poa and lack of a counter when he was blocked before even considering his off the field issues. I heard no comparison to Bosa nor claim that he was the better pass rusher.

Said Lawson was a poor fit due to his size.

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@belford93 Bosa bends no problem. Is he an elite speed rusher off the edge? No. But he doesn't need to be. Advances in other ways.



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@gschiller13 Disruption means A LOT more to me than sacks. Von Miller had only 11 sacks, but it's the way he disrupts the game.



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@puckingfeyson I think he'll be a consistent disruptor. I don't know how it will quantify to sack production, but he will disrupt offenses.


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Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@mighty_JoeSab Spence is a top-10 talent, but I think there will be better players at 4. Spence better in a 3-4, has some struggles vs run



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@st_michael4 Spence is a heckuva pass rusher. Also has major issues vs. the run. Bosa has more impact potential IMO



Probably because Dane and Broaddus have been exchanging about this for some time, on the draft show and on twitter.

Dane does admit Spence is the better pure pass rusher but argues he is not complete and will struggle with OT's and the run in a 4-3 scheme.

He favors Bosa not as an edge rusher but as an overall better player because he disrupts, plays the run and has NFL ready technique.

He will be the first to tell you sacks are not a priority nor is edge speed with regard to Bosa and his 4-3 DE fit!

Dane thinks Spence is an excellent pass rusher but is a one trick pony and would fit better as a OLB in the 3-4.

Since you missed this:



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@Phil71v No doubt, Spence is the superior speed rusher. Bosa the better all around player though.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Brugler also said that he doesn't see the Cowboys picking a RB.

Or a QB, just saying!

 

[NEODOG]

Jack or Ramsey PLEASE

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@belford93 Bosa bends no problem. Is he an elite speed rusher off the edge? No. But he doesn't need to be. Advances in other ways.



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@gschiller13 Disruption means A LOT more to me than sacks. Von Miller had only 11 sacks, but it's the way he disrupts the game.



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@puckingfeyson I think he'll be a consistent disruptor. I don't know how it will quantify to sack production, but he will disrupt offenses.


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Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@mighty_JoeSab Spence is a top-10 talent, but I think there will be better players at 4. Spence better in a 3-4, has some struggles vs run



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@st_michael4 Spence is a heckuva pass rusher. Also has major issues vs. the run. Bosa has more impact potential IMO



Probably because Dane and Broaddus have been exchanging about this for some time, on the draft show and on twitter.

Dane does admit Spence is the better pure pass rusher but argues he is not complete and will struggle with OT's and the run in a 4-3 scheme.

He favors Bosa not as an edge rusher but as an overall better player because he disrupts, plays the run and has NFL ready technique.

He will be the first to tell you sacks are not a priority nor is edge speed with regard to Bosa and his 4-3 DE fit!

Dane thinks Spence is an excellent pass rusher but is a one trick pony and would fit better as a OLB in the 3-4.

Since you missed this:



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@Phil71v No doubt, Spence is the superior speed rusher. Bosa the better all around player though.

You said dynamic. The quotes you just showed have him saying that Bosa 'advances in other ways' and is the 'better all around player' while Spence is the better 'speed rusher.'

IOW, Bosa is dynamic and Spence is a one trick pony.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You said dynamic. The quotes you just showed have him saying that Bosa 'advances in other ways' and is the 'better all around player' while Spence is the better 'speed rusher.'

IOW, Bosa is dynamic and Spence is a one trick pony.

Full context:

He admits Spence is more dynamic off the edge but views him more as a 3-4 OLB due to size and fit, he thinks he would not be able to handle OT's and the run as a 4-3 end which some would debate.

The better pure pass rusher is Spence but he argues you have to look at the total picture and fit.

Dane thinks Spence is the more dynamic edge speed pass rusher, semantics really are not helpful when he has been crystal clear!

He does think Bosa is the better overall player, just not the better pure pass rusher, not real hard to understand!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Full context:



Dane thinks Spence is the more dynamic edge speed pass rusher, semantics really are not helpful when he has been crystal clear!

He does think Bosa is the better overall player, just not the better pure pass rusher, not real hard to understand!

He said speed rusher not those other adjectives. He also said there is more to rushing then just that.

This is not an issue of semantics. It's an issue of what he said and did not say. You are putting words into his mouth.