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He said speed rusher not those other adjectives. He also said there is more to rushing then just that.

This is not an issue of semantics. It's an issue of what he said and did not say. You are putting words into his mouth.

The issue is one of comprehension, Dane was crystal clear and if you can not understand his quote and consistent comments about the subject you are in denial or have an agenda.


Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@st_michael4 Spence is a heckuva pass rusher.


Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@Phil71v No doubt, Spence is the superior speed rusher. Bosa the better all around player though.


Thus, Spence is the superior speed rusher off of the edge, he has said this in multiple contexts by the way.

He is obviously the more dynamic edge rusher, based on his comments this is simple common sense, this is not a difficult interpretation, it is straight forward.

I am not understanding why you are arguing over this fact, he has no problem with saying Spence is superior off the edge and that Bosa is the better overall player, for some reason you do!
 

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He said speed rusher not those other adjectives. He also said there is more to rushing then just that.

This is not an issue of semantics. It's an issue of what he said and did not say. You are putting words into his mouth.

He is saying these words himself, nice try but too bad for you!

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/01/22/draft-show-senior-bowl-preview-danes-top-50

47:27 to 49:39

Broaddus says no one with better explosiveness in this draft coming off the ball than Spence, Dane Brugler says "absolutely".

Broaddus says Spence is the best pass rusher in this draft, Dane Brugler "I Agree, Yep"!

This puts the nail in the coffin for you:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/02/05/draft-show-senior-bowl-review-danes-first-mock

17:48 to 20:51

Dane says case to be made Spence is the best pass rusher in entire draft class.

Broaddus Spence better than Bosa, Dane Brugler as a pass rusher "absolutely". 18:08

Enjoy!
 
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More than ever I am convinced that QB will be the pick at 4. I find it hard to believe that at the combine Jerry picks Gil Brandt, who he fired as part of the old regime, out of 3,000 journalist there to tell him that he is not picking a QB at 4. Why not Schefter, Werder, or the short guy from Fox. He picks Gil to tell him and only him that he is not picking a QB.

They have filled in many of the defensive holes on defense, except safety. But Jerry and company don't value Safeties. So I think Ramsey, even if he is there will not be the pick. Jack would sit behind McClain and would not beat out Lee. Bosa is not worth the 4th pick. You don't pick a WDE with the 4th pick. Bosa has the makings of his father, a first round bust.

I really think that this is all a Jerry smoke screen. Both Stephen and Garrett said, at the combine, that a QB is a must consideration if there is one at the 4th pick. The QB they take at 4 will be the back up. That's why there is no rush to sign a back up. The rookie can't be any worse that Moore. That's my opinion.

Elliot is the best ohio state player in draft...... bpa should be what we go for if Ramsey not there.. I don't think they are taking a qb at 4
 

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To me, if I'm picking at 4, I would want want the edge rusher to be elite,not really good, solid, etc. Scouts say Bosa does not have elite speed, but makes up for it with leverage, strength, etc. That's not good enough imo. I would want a DE to be able to have pure speed to beat his man,and the strength to play the run, bull rush his man, etc. I want to be able to move the DE around to the either RDE, or LDE side., create mismatches, and keep the offense guessing. You can't do that with Bosa.
 

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Elliot is the best ohio state player in draft...... bpa should be what we go for if Ramsey not there.. I don't think they are taking a qb at 4

That's you opinion, I have heard several people on NFL radio who keep saying to be wary of RBs from Ohio State, Alabama, and Wisconsin. Their OL is usually far better than their competition and the RBs have huge running lanes to run through. They seldom have to read a hole or be patient with their running. There is a reason that you don't see any running back stars in the NFL from these schools. They will not have these huge holes in the NFL.

That said, I will go with the opinions of real NFL scouts and former personnel and general managers.
 

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Jack is ready to go, just received his UCLA surgeon's full clearance and his trainers have been very careful with him as well.

If his pro day goes well then his April medical rechecks will remove all doubts.

His combine medicals were fine as well, teams just want to see him do everything and see how he looks on the field and want to be sure with the rechecks especially considering he will be potentially a top 5-10 prospect!

Go look at his Twitter and Instagram page, he has been running, lifting and doing drills for months.

His trainers wanted him to wait and he wanted full medical clearance to do everything full go, the time is now!

Not so fast.

He did not run the 40 today.

Instead, he's going to have his own "personal" Pro Day April 1st.
 

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Not so fast.

He did not run the 40 today.

Instead, he's going to have his own "personal" Pro Day April 1st.

Word is his trainers want him to wait, not a big deal if he runs on April 1st but disappointing, he did some of the drills but not the three cone or 40.



Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
UCLA LB Myles Jack did not run 40 or shuttles today. 40" vertical, 10-4" broad jump. Doing positional drills. To hold own Pro Day April 1.


Insider Buzz: Trainers Won't Let Myles Jack Run 40 at UCLA Pro Day
By Team Stream Now , B/R Video Mar 3, 2016

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rs-wont-let-myles-jack-run-40-at-ucla-pro-day

Trainers holding him back, want best 40 time.



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Jack not doing a full workout today is a bummer. But medical re-checks are ultimately what is most important for him. Not out of woods yet.
 
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That's you opinion, I have heard several people on NFL radio who keep saying to be wary of RBs from Ohio State, Alabama, and Wisconsin. Their OL is usually far better than their competition and the RBs have huge running lanes to run through. They seldom have to read a hole or be patient with their running. There is a reason that you don't see any running back stars in the NFL from these schools. They will not have these huge holes in the NFL.

That said, I will go with the opinions of real NFL scouts and former personnel and general managers.

you cant discount that to some extent but i think EE has excellent vision ,i still think he is the 2nd best RB to come out in recent years after Gurley.
 

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That's you opinion, I have heard several people on NFL radio who keep saying to be wary of RBs from Ohio State, Alabama, and Wisconsin. Their OL is usually far better than their competition and the RBs have huge running lanes to run through. They seldom have to read a hole or be patient with their running. There is a reason that you don't see any running back stars in the NFL from these schools. They will not have these huge holes in the NFL.

That said, I will go with the opinions of real NFL scouts and former personnel and general managers.


I've haven't heard that about Zeke tho? being wary and all i have about Henry untill his proday and combine ( and i am a believer in Henry big time for our squad btw, buti haven't heard that talk about ZEKE personally


Soo what Zeke did to Alabama who is the closest thing to nfl caliber defense is worth nothing....... like Urban Meyer didn't come from sec roots (my Florida Gators which i am a Gator fan )and built that team like an sec team? O...................K! OHIO State is not built like a traditional Ohio State team that my friend is an SEC built roster

Well that's cool u can go with and listen to whoever u trust as a source but even i dont always agree with the sources i listen to either because of how i see the game and how they cloud translate with the RIGHT SYSTEM and coach who knows how to adjust to his players not players adjust to his system......... but did u watch his games and see for yourself because scouts are wrong too about players....

but i trust my eye and i have a good ones when it comes to talent on certain players the reason i say certain players is because i dont have time to access and look at everybody but we are at #4 so im looking at the tops guys in this convo and to that's not my job to do but i am right waaaaayyyyyy more than im not when it comes to players ive studied ....... im o it to how there game translate to the league ok

annnnnnnd so are you saying that our oline doesn't do the same on the nfl level opening big holes like they did in OSU and Alabama? see that's another point the NFL teams doesn't have our luxury at and that is oline the absolute BEST in the league and Zeke actually can and create his own too with what i have watched, he does has patience , go back and watch the game against Alabama.. he can get through skinny holes go back and watch the tape for your self...
 

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Word is his trainers want him to wait, not a big deal if he runs on April 1st but disappointing, he did some of the drills but not the three cone or 40.



Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
UCLA LB Myles Jack did not run 40 or shuttles today. 40" vertical, 10-4" broad jump. Doing positional drills. To hold own Pro Day April 1.


Insider Buzz: Trainers Won't Let Myles Jack Run 40 at UCLA Pro Day
By Team Stream Now , B/R Video Mar 3, 2016

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rs-wont-let-myles-jack-run-40-at-ucla-pro-day

Trainers holding him back, want best 40 time.



Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Jack not doing a full workout today is a bummer. But medical re-checks are ultimately what is most important for him. Not out of woods yet.

This just comes across so sketchy to me for some reason.
 

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This just comes across so sketchy to me for some reason.

You will find out in April either way.

If he does indeed have an lingering issue, it will not recheck well in April and his April 1st pro day should reflect this fact.

His draft stock will plummet and that will be that!

Teams are taking a "wait and see" approach with Jack for that reason, especially at the top end of the draft.

If everything checks out and his personal pro day goes well, he will be in the top 5.
 

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You will find out in April either way.

If he does indeed have an lingering issue, it will not recheck well in April and his April 1st pro day should reflect this fact.

His draft stock will plummet and that will be that!

Teams are taking a "wait and see" approach with Jack for that reason, especially at the top end of the draft.

If everything checks out and his personal pro day goes well, he will be in the top 5.

Are you a fan of Myles Jack? I can't tell...
 

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Are you a fan of Myles Jack? I can't tell...

I want a QB but all the absurd bs about Jack is what I can not stand.

The knee will check out in April or it will not.

I like Jack as a prospect but I like several players in this draft.
 

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I want a QB but all the absurd bs about Jack is what I can not stand.

The knee will check out in April or it will not.

I like Jack as a prospect but I like several players in this draft.

Honestly, I think your defense of him is a little absurd. I haven't seen anyone attack him or start any BS about him. All we've done is voice concerns, like we do with every prospect. You advocating for everyone else someone on this board finds something not to like about?
 

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Honestly, I think your defense of him is a little absurd. I haven't seen anyone attack him or start any BS about him. All we've done is voice concerns, like we do with every prospect. You advocating for everyone else someone on this board finds something not to like about?

Incorrect, posters have attacked his size, saying the "eye test" and players lie which all was wrong, I think you were party to that discussion and was absurd, that crow still good?

Posters have said he never played the mike in college but never bothered to watch his actual game tape, they were wrong.

Posters have said Jack has not shown college production, his production in college is similar to the best NFL linebackers in like play making categories with one less year, they are wrong.

Posters have said he can not play the mike, they are wrong.

Posters have attacked his versatility as being a problem, they are wrong.

What is absurd is using language of "we've" to talk about yourself, we have been over your views over and over on Jack, time to move on!

Anyone can raise a concern that is their right but presumption and misinformation is absurd and can reasonably be corrected.

Did I not see you defending Bosa constantly and consistently arguing with people on this site over opinions you find absurd?
 
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Incorrect, posters have attacked his size, saying the "eye test" and players lie which all was wrong, I think you were party to that discussion and was absurd, that crow still good?

Posters have said he never played the mike in college but never bothered to watch his actual game tape, they were wrong.

Posters have said Jack has not shown college production, his production in college is similar to the best NFL linebackers in like play making categories with one less year, they are wrong.

Posters have said he can not play the mike, they are wrong.

Posters have attacked his versatility as being a problem, they are wrong.

What is absurd is using language of "we've" to talk about yourself, we have been over your views over and over on Jack, time to move on!

Anyone can raise a concern that is their right but presumption and misinformation is absurd and can reasonably be corrected.

Did I not see you defending Bosa constantly and consistently arguing with people on this site over opinions you find absurd?

It's not attacking. It's voicing concerns just like we do every player. I said "we've" because you've pulled this same hyper defensive mess anytime anyone (see, that's plural, hence "we've) has voiced any concerns about him.

Yes, I defended a player I like, I have no problem with people doing that, but I've never accused anyone of "attacking" a player. Nor did I litter numerous threads with the exact same information, over and over. Furthermore, I actually admit to Bosa's shortcomings in nearly every thread in which I defend him. You, on the other hand, keep trying to prop Jack up as beyond reproach. Big difference. One is intelligent debate, the other is simply arguing.

Color it however you want, this process with Jack has been very sketchy. Whether he ulimately proves 100% healthy and runs a great 40 or not, the way he and his camp have gone about things would give me pause as an owner.
 

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It's not attacking. It's voicing concerns just like we do every player. I said "we've" because you've pulled this same hyper defensive mess anytime anyone (see, that's plural, hence "we've) has voiced any concerns about him.

Yes, I defended a player I like, I have no problem with people doing that and I never accused anyone of "attacking" a player. Nor did I litter numerous threads with the exact same information, over and over. Furthermore, I actually admit to Bosa's shortcomings in nearly every thread in which I defend him. You, on the other hand, keep trying to prop Jack up as beyond reproach. Big difference. One is intelligent debate, the other is simply arguing.

Color it however you want, this process with Jack has been very sketchy. Whether he ulimately proves 100% healthy and runs a great 40 or not, the way he and his camp have gone about things would give me pause as an owner.

You need to go through and read what you call intelligent debate, you are just arguing constantly over nothing even to the extent of a players weight and conspiracy theories and whining when someone questions your interpretation of internet film study.

Further, intelligence would leave out personal attacks, logical fallacies and arguing from ignorance, something you have demonstrated across this board particularly in our exchanges.

Your approach which you boast as intelligent, can be seen several posts above, a narrow view when obviously the question you quote refers to Buckner as if playing as a 4-3 end regardless of "best fit", sounds familiar.

Attacking and agenda are similar, when someone does not like a player and constantly rehash the same noncritical nonsense in twenty different ways and threads while adding any negative they can think of then we go from "concern" to agenda.

Normally I simply argue a point and hash it out with the poster but we all know now at this point the usual posters who do not care for Jack and those who have legit concerns and are open for a legit exchange, the proof is in the posting history.

You say "we've" but you only speak for yourself (singular) and need to watch your own hypocrisy, you are constantly arguing with people all over the board with various condescending comments.

You are a dripping litter man on Bosa and on Jack, apparently it bothers you that anyone would challenge you on a player and dare disagree with your perspective.

I have the right to call out and offer critical evaluation of any argument and on any player, so I do not care what you say or think about the matter!

If you find that to be personally troubling, feel free to put me on ignore.

Further, you were wrong on Jack, arguing against his size, saying preach it to the others who agreed with you, loaded with presumption and ignorance and you were humiliated and rightly so!

Good thing you are the Texasbum on the internet and not an NFL owner.
 
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