Personal prediction for rest of the season

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I am not holding high hopes. I wasn't even happy with our win. badly played game. very sloppy. despite defensive performance. again, crucial time. end of the game. they played great the whole game, but last drive they couldn't make a key stop. same thing as other losses earlier in the season.

So here is my prediction for rest of the season. I think we have a good chance of going 0-4, at best 1-3.

GB - Loss again in a close game.
Buffalo - Loss
Jets - Loss
Commanders - Loss or win, depending on the mind set of the team and where the Commanders are at that point and how motivated.

we end up 5-11 at best. 4-12 more probably. Jerry is already setting the table to excuse himself and blame coaching. he is somewhat right about coaching. but then again he is the GM and is responsible for scouting and players. Why did he have Weeden on the team? why not a plan to have a back up QB. then scramble to get Cassell, mid season. a QB at the end of his career. weaker arm. trying to learn a system mid season and become the savior? that's idiotic. and as evident can't be done.

so now jerry is pointing fingers and saying he is not happy with them not being coached up. if we got 1-3 or 0-4 with several close losses, he will have the ammunition to let the coaching staff go.

I wonder was Weeden a Jason guy or Jerry/Stephen guy. This season was lost the day somebody decided he was good enough to be a backup.
 

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Jerry'd fire Garrett in a heartbeat if he didn't like the job he has been doing. I know people like to believe there are other reasons the coach is still around, but the people who see him work most closely like him. The players like him, the staff likes him, and Jerry and Stephen both like him. It's the fans who don't like him, and they don't like him because the team is not winning. When the team is winning the coach has miraculously come around. When it is not, he hasn't. You can see that in any team in the league in any era, because that's how mob mentality works.

You never see a mob with a sophisticated interpretation of circumstances. Mobs look around at everybody else for direction, and then go the way the majority seems to be going. In this case, the QB is hurt and the GM is going nowhere, so it's the coach who's got to get it.

Nice ad hominem attack. A sophisticated form of name-calling.

If I disagree with your take on Garrett, its because I have taken on a mob mentality and therefore lack "a sophisticated interpretation of circumstances," slavishly follow the majority, and can't think for myself.

Instead of diagnosing others, perhaps you should examine your own psychological motivations for protecting Garrett. Could it be your fear of starting over? Of being wrong about him all these years? Of being duped by pretty speeches?
 

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Nice ad hominem attack. A sophisticated form of name-calling.

If I disagree with your take on Garrett, its because I have taken on a mob mentality and therefore lack "a sophisticated interpretation of circumstances," slavishly follow the majority, and can't think for myself.

Instead of diagnosing others, perhaps you should examine your own psychological motivations for protecting Garrett. Could it be your fear of starting over? Of being wrong about him all these years? Of being duped by pretty speeches?

I'm not calling names by saying an argument is based in emotions and not reasons. You want to sway my opinion, make a better argument.

As to my motivations, I don't think there's anything deeply Freudian going on there. I like how JG has assembled and leads the team. I like how he works with the Jonses. I like how he handles the press in Dallas. And I value stability in the long run. I don't think the guy can't coach just because a couple dozen people on the internet like to second guess play calling and say our team doesn't make enough adjustments.
 

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Unless you are Jerry, Stephen, a player, or part of the staff, you don't know that they like him for sure.
No different than me saying they all hate him.

And there were plenty of fans who didn't like him when we were winning. Because some of us knew he had very little to do with us winning games.

Maybe you're right. Maybe they gave him the long extension after last year because they hate him.

It's all just our opinions, dude.
 

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It's the coach who couldn't muster a single win with a QB another coach got 10 wins with. That's definitely a coaching problem. Garrett deserves all the blame he gets.

Well, I'm convinced. Good work!
 

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I'm not calling names by saying an argument is based in emotions and not reasons. You want to sway my opinion, make a better argument.

As to my motivations, I don't think there's anything deeply Freudian going on there. I like how JG has assembled and leads the team. I like how he works with the Jonses. I like how he handles the press in Dallas. And I value stability in the long run. I don't think the guy can't coach just because a couple dozen people on the internet like to second guess play calling and say our team doesn't make enough adjustments.

So you "like" Garrett and certain things about him. I can't think of a more emotionally based reason for wanting him to remain the HC of the Dallas Cowboys.

I like him too. But I wonder if he is the best guy for the gig. I used to think he was the best guy for the gig given the way the organization is structured (specifically, with two guys who, in my opinion, have no business being GM and VP of Personnel making important decisions). My thinking was that Jason was smart enough to fool them into thinking they were making the decisions, when in reality he was the one actually pulling the strings. He seemed like a guy who could perform the delicate balancing act of managing the Jones Boys and fielding a successful team.

The 2012 off-season changed my opinion in that regard. Emotionally, I wanted it to work, I wanted him to be successful. Intellectually, I just didn't think it would work. I think he needed to win the Commanders game to keep Jerry at bay; to keep Jerry believing in the Process. When he failed to do so, I thought it was time to pull the plug for that reason alone.

I am not trying to persuade you. The arguments for and against the retention of Garrett are well documented. Just attempting to illustrate that just because I might disagree with you, doesn't mean i have a mob mentality, or that I can't think for myself or that my thinking has no basis in logic.
 

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Predictions? Yes, prediction!

Pain for opposing teams.

The 1/4 season doomsday defense.

We run the table!
 

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So you "like" Garrett and certain things about him. I can't think of a more emotionally based reason for wanting him to remain the HC of the Dallas Cowboys.

I like him too. But I wonder if he is the best guy for the gig. I used to think he was the best guy for the gig given the way the organization is structured (specifically, with two guys who, in my opinion, have no business being GM and VP of Personnel making important decisions). My thinking was that Jason was smart enough to fool them into thinking they were making the decisions, when in reality he was the one actually pulling the strings. He seemed like a guy who could perform the delicate balancing act of managing the Jones Boys and fielding a successful team.

The 2012 off-season changed my opinion in that regard. Emotionally, I wanted it to work, I wanted him to be successful. Intellectually, I just didn't think it would work. I think he needed to win the Commanders game to keep Jerry at bay; to keep Jerry believing in the Process. When he failed to do so, I thought it was time to pull the plug for that reason alone.

I am not trying to persuade you. The arguments for and against the retention of Garrett are well documented. Just attempting to illustrate that just because I might disagree with you, doesn't mean i have a mob mentality, or that I can't think for myself or that my thinking has no basis in logic.

I don't mean to suggest that there aren't good rational arguments againt the job JG has done. Only that once a topic gets a certain amount of popular support, a mob mentality does tend to take over the discussion.
 

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Oh, how many more ways can people come up with to get thread started on Jerry and / or Jason dislike?
It it endless. Oh, and add in hate the team too.
The mob mentality hate on this team / player / coach / owner / GM overtook this place a long time ago, and seems to just get worse.
At one time, I used to think that you had to be a hater to be accepted on here, as it sure seemed that way. In spite of the positive fans trying to maintain a semblance of a good place. But I will not join that mob.

Not saying that it needs to be all positive as we need constructive criticism. Constructive being the key word there. I can and have been critical at times, and will be, but not to the point of hating this team.

I did not like Rob Ryan at all, but do not hate Garrett because of it. I accepted Ryan and wanted him to do great. But at same time still wanted him gone as it was not working ( he had his share of injured players too). I was glad to see him go, but if he stayed I would have supported the team. I would say I did not like it, but was not going to hate everything they did. Only hope he got better somehow.

Last year, many said they changed their tune on Jason, but now are changing back?
We lost our 3 top producers on offense, but even without Murray, it was workable. Should we have won some,of those games, heck yes. And we were in position to win. But the play ON THE FIELD cost us those games.
What decisions were made by Garrett that cost us any of those games? The coin flip for 2 OT losses not made by Garrett?

But yet people want him fired for a perceived clock management issue, in their mind, for a game we won....go figure.....
 

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Maybe you're right. Maybe they gave him the long extension after last year because they hate him.

It's all just our opinions, dude.


Wade got an extention before getting fired so it doesn't mean anything
 

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If you're comparing this team to a Patriots' team way back in its glory days, with much greater team support for Cassel, it's hardly a fair comparison to hold Garrett at fault for.

Seven games. Who gets the blame? Because apparently Garrett isn't responsible for anything.
 

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I am not holding high hopes. I wasn't even happy with our win. badly played game. very sloppy. despite defensive performance. again, crucial time. end of the game. they played great the whole game, but last drive they couldn't make a key stop. same thing as other losses earlier in the season.

So here is my prediction for rest of the season. I think we have a good chance of going 0-4, at best 1-3.

GB - Loss again in a close game.
Buffalo - Loss
Jets - Loss
Commanders - Loss or win, depending on the mind set of the team and where the Commanders are at that point and how motivated.

we end up 5-11 at best. 4-12 more probably. Jerry is already setting the table to excuse himself and blame coaching. he is somewhat right about coaching. but then again he is the GM and is responsible for scouting and players. Why did he have Weeden on the team? why not a plan to have a back up QB. then scramble to get Cassell, mid season. a QB at the end of his career. weaker arm. trying to learn a system mid season and become the savior? that's idiotic. and as evident can't be done.

so now jerry is pointing fingers and saying he is not happy with them not being coached up. if we got 1-3 or 0-4 with several close losses, he will have the ammunition to let the coaching staff go.

I think you are right !!!!
 

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Jerry will have ammunition to fire some coaches but not Garrett with him having Romo for less than 4 games this season. Losing Romo when the Cowboys were 2-0 and going 3-1 in the games he played gives Jerry an excuse to bring Garrett back but he'll be on the hot seat next season.
 

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I think we lose to GB and then win out. Mainly because the offense will only muster about 16 points, thanks to Capers taking a giant crap all over Cassell.

Once we're officially out of the running we'll start to open up the playbook and actually surprise the the remaining teams on our schedule.
 

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At this point, I'm taking it one game at a time. I will say this, I think we beat GB and they may be the worst (close) out of the next three teams we play. Honestly, if we can't beat GB than we don't deserve to win this pathetic division.

I don't know why so many people are scared of GB. I guess it's just the "magical aura" of Lambeau field and the name Green Bay Packers or Aaron Rodgers that has so many people convinced we'll lose. This GB team isn't what it once was.

Rodgers has been in a huge slump and hasn't shown any signs of recovery. IIRC his completeion avg is in the 50's. Their defense isn't all that. They got beat at home, on a night they retired Favre's number and with Bart Starr in attendance, by the Chicago Bears. It then took a miracle of a play to beat the Lions.

Even with Cassel we should beat GB by at least a TD. The fact that GB is a 7 point favorite and we were a pick 'em against Carolina (even with Romo) is astounding to me. It really is. Our defense alone should win this game. We could easily beat the Lions and Bears, both of who hung right in there with GB, so I don't see why we can't win this game somewhat convincingly.
 

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I think we lose to GB and then win out. Mainly because the offense will only muster about 16 points, thanks to Capers taking a giant crap all over Cassell.

Once we're officially out of the running we'll start to open up the playbook and actually surprise the the remaining teams on our schedule.

The chances of winning out are virtually nil if the Cowboys lose to the Packers tomorrow. Any momentum that was gained from their win over Washington will be wiped out with a loss on Sunday. There's a better chance of the Cowboys losing out than winning out if they lose to the Packers.
 

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Seven games. Who gets the blame? Because apparently Garrett isn't responsible for anything.

I wouldn't go that far. JG certainly has his limitations. As I've posted several times already, there's plenty of blame within the Dallas ranks to go around. It all begins with GM Jerry and filters down throughout rest of the franchise. Unfortunately, Garrett is one of a rare breed of individuals who can get along well with Jerry. It's very likely to take more than it has to make Jerry change his mind about retaining him. We may be about to see what happens if we lose the lion's share of the upcoming games. I wouldn't be one to bet the farm that Jerry would choose to fire him if that occurs.
 
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Cowboys 4-8. Commanders 5-7
Packers L Bears W
Jets W Bills W
Bills W Eagles L

Last game of the season
Cowboys will be at 6-9 Commanders 7-8

Commanders W Cowboys L
7-9. 7-9

COWBOYS are in the playoffs with a Better division record of 4-2
 

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The two things that derailed this season was not being better prepared at backup QB and RB. We ended up having to trade for both positions during the season. We were forced to cut the backup QB we started the season with due to ineffective play as the stater and our starting RB who we knew had off the field issues and couldn't be counted on. We haven't had solid, consistent play from either position which yielded two MVP candidate's last season. Had the Cowboys won just two of the first seven games Romo missed they would be sitting in first place right now.
 
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