Perspective on Taco Charlton

[Plankton]

It has been very interesting to see the overreaction to what people saw out of Taco Charlton in the first preseason game this year. I thought it would be interesting to see historically what teams have gotten with the 28th pick in the first round in teams rookie seasons. I'll let the stats speak for themselves:

1997 DEN – Trevor Pryce DT Clemson – started 3 games, 2 sacks

1998 SF – R.W. McQuarters CB Oklahoma State – started 7 games, had 2 fumble recoveries, no INTs

1999 NE – Andy Katzenmoyer LB Ohio State – started 11 games, had 3.5 sacks, 1 INT.

2000 IND – Rob Morris LB Brigham Young – started 0 games, had 8 tackles.

2001 OAK – Derrick Gibson SS Florida State – started 0 games, had 1 INT.

2002 SEA – Jerramy Stevens TE Washington – started 1 game, had 26 catches for 252 yards and 3 TDs.

2003 TEN – Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma – started 2 games, had 1 INT.

2004 CAR – Chris Gamble CB Ohio State – started 16 games, had 6 INT and 15 PD.

2005 SD – Luis Castillo 5T Northwestern – started 15 games, had 3.5 sacks and 1 FF.

2006 JAX – Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA – started 3 games, had 13 catches for 126 yards and 1 TD.

2007 SF – Joe Staley OT Central Michigan – started 16 games at RT for an offense that was 32nd in yards and points scored.

2008 SEA – Lawrence Jackson DE USC – started 14 games, had 2 sacks.

2009 BUF – Eric Wood C Louisville – started 10 games at RG for an offense that was 30th in yards and 28th in points scored.

2010 MIA – Jared Odrick DE Penn State – started 1 game and had 0 sacks, 1 tackle.

2011 NO – Mark Ingram RB Alabama – started 4 games, rushed 122 times for 474 yards and 5 TDs.

2012 GB – Nick Perry DE/LB USC – started 5 games, had 2 sacks.

2013 DEN – Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina – started 4 games, had 2 sacks, 1 FR.

2014 CAR – Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State – started 15 games, had 73 catches for 1008 yards and 9 TDs.

2015 DET – Laken Tomlinson OG Duke – started 14 games for an offense that was 20th in yards and 18th in points scored.

2016 SF – Joshua Garnett OG Stanford – started 11 games for an offense that was 31st in yards and 27th in points scored.

I bolded what could be considered productive to highly productive seasons. The average player taken 28th started only 7.6 games in their rookie season. The majority were not especially productive.

Keep this in mind when evaluating Charlton's preseason performance and rookie season.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Great thread. I can think of 16 perfect times to repost it this season.

 

[waldoputty]

It has been very interesting to see the overreaction to what people saw out of Taco Charlton in the first preseason game this year. I thought it would be interesting to see historically what teams have gotten with the 28th pick in the first round in teams rookie seasons. I'll let the stats speak for themselves:

1997 DEN – Trevor Pryce DT Clemson – started 3 games, 2 sacks

1998 SF – R.W. McQuarters CB Oklahoma State – started 7 games, had 2 fumble recoveries, no INTs

1999 NE – Andy Katzenmoyer LB Ohio State – started 11 games, had 3.5 sacks, 1 INT.

2000 IND – Rob Morris LB Brigham Young – started 0 games, had 8 tackles.

2001 OAK – Derrick Gibson SS Florida State – started 0 games, had 1 INT.

2002 SEA – Jerramy Stevens TE Washington – started 1 game, had 26 catches for 252 yards and 3 TDs.

2003 TEN – Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma – started 2 games, had 1 INT.

2004 CAR – Chris Gamble CB Ohio State – started 16 games, had 6 INT and 15 PD.

2005 SD – Luis Castillo 5T Northwestern – started 15 games, had 3.5 sacks and 1 FF.

2006 JAX – Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA – started 3 games, had 13 catches for 126 yards and 1 TD.

2007 SF – Joe Staley OT Central Michigan – started 16 games at RT for an offense that was 32nd in yards and points scored.

2008 SEA – Lawrence Jackson DE USC – started 14 games, had 2 sacks.

2009 BUF – Eric Wood C Louisville – started 10 games at RG for an offense that was 30th in yards and 28th in points scored.

2010 MIA – Jared Odrick DE Penn State – started 1 game and had 0 sacks, 1 tackle.

2011 NO – Mark Ingram RB Alabama – started 4 games, rushed 122 times for 474 yards and 5 TDs.

2012 GB – Nick Perry DE/LB USC – started 5 games, had 2 sacks.

2013 DEN – Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina – started 4 games, had 2 sacks, 1 FR.

2014 CAR – Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State – started 15 games, had 73 catches for 1008 yards and 9 TDs.

2015 DET – Laken Tomlinson OG Duke – started 14 games for an offense that was 20th in yards and 18th in points scored.

2016 SF – Joshua Garnett OG Stanford – started 11 games for an offense that was 31st in yards and 27th in points scored.

I bolded what could be considered productive to highly productive seasons. The average player taken 28th started only 7.6 games in their rookie season. The majority were not especially productive.

Keep this in mind when evaluating Charlton's preseason performance and rookie season.

obviously one cannot expect too much from the 28th pick though we got TFred even later?
however as jimmy used to do, you try real hard to get the player you want and need.
of course no one can be sure who they really wanted.

lets hope we get spicy sexy taco.
not smushed soft taco.

 

[jwooten15]

Props for all the research you did. Great info in here

Unfortunately, we will still have some guys expecting 12 sacks this year haha

 

[waving monkey]

thanks for your time and effort as up thread posted could be useful through the year

 

[Bullflop]

History tells us that DEs in their rookie seasons can't be counted upon for productivity. It's just contrary to the evidence to think otherwise. I have no problem waiting a year or two to see what the necessary time to develop physically and technique-wise might do.

 

[waldoputty]

History tells us that DEs in their rookie seasons can't be counted upon for productivity. It's just contrary to the evidence to think otherwise.

what about LBs?

 

[Bullflop]

what about LBs?

Same thing applies -- it takes time for them to develop as well. You know this, right? Jaylon, anyone?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Keep it in perspective that the 28th Overall is only 4 choices from being in the 2nd round. Consider that the 2nd round is just a hand full of choices away, and the list of 28th Overall make a lot more sense as well.

Nioce Thread, PLANKTON!

 

[waldoputty]

Same thing applies -- it takes time for them to develop as well. You know this, right? Jaylon, anyone?

jaylon is the obvious case.
thought LBs contribute a lot faster.

 

[Bullflop]

jaylon is the obvious case.
thought LBs contribute a lot faster.

They likely do, as a matter of strict comparison. Still, the experience and mental development is crucial for them also and it takes time to maximize their skills, especially in pass coverage.

 

[waldoputty]

They likely do as a matter of strict comparison. Still, the experience and mental development is crucial for them also.

found this - if you want faster contribution - generally get a LB over a DL
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ents-the-biggest-leap-for-nfl-draft-prospects

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So much talk of Taco being underrated after his debut he's in danger of being overrated.

 

[Bullflop]

Uh, huh -- I suspected that was a loaded question all along -- usually, the necessary size doesn't quite measure up as needed.

 

[waldoputty]

Uh, huh -- I suspected that was a loaded question all along -- usually the necessary size doesn't quite measure up as needed.

actually i just found it but i have not read it.
go to the link if you want to see the sample size.
though the table says 2002-2011 so it may be quite comprehensive.

 

[Bullflop]

actually i just found it but i have not read it.
go to the link if you want to see the sample size.
though the table says 2002-2011 so it may be quite comprehensive.

Yeah, I'm not surprised in the least. It's always been tougher finding an impact DE, more so than an impact LB. The bigger size required of DEs naturally makes it so. Thing is, we already have Taco Charlton in house to develop, so wishing for TJ Watt instead is a bit too late at this point. Is that what you had in mind, perchance?

 

[waving monkey]

It has been very interesting to see the overreaction to what people saw out of Taco Charlton in the first preseason game this year. I thought it would be interesting to see historically what teams have gotten with the 28th pick in the first round in teams rookie seasons. I'll let the stats speak for themselves:

1997 DEN – Trevor Pryce DT Clemson – started 3 games, 2 sacks

1998 SF – R.W. McQuarters CB Oklahoma State – started 7 games, had 2 fumble recoveries, no INTs

1999 NE – Andy Katzenmoyer LB Ohio State – started 11 games, had 3.5 sacks, 1 INT.

2000 IND – Rob Morris LB Brigham Young – started 0 games, had 8 tackles.

2001 OAK – Derrick Gibson SS Florida State – started 0 games, had 1 INT.

2002 SEA – Jerramy Stevens TE Washington – started 1 game, had 26 catches for 252 yards and 3 TDs.

2003 TEN – Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma – started 2 games, had 1 INT.

2004 CAR – Chris Gamble CB Ohio State – started 16 games, had 6 INT and 15 PD.

2005 SD – Luis Castillo 5T Northwestern – started 15 games, had 3.5 sacks and 1 FF.

2006 JAX – Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA – started 3 games, had 13 catches for 126 yards and 1 TD.

2007 SF – Joe Staley OT Central Michigan – started 16 games at RT for an offense that was 32nd in yards and points scored.

2008 SEA – Lawrence Jackson DE USC – started 14 games, had 2 sacks.

2009 BUF – Eric Wood C Louisville – started 10 games at RG for an offense that was 30th in yards and 28th in points scored.

2010 MIA – Jared Odrick DE Penn State – started 1 game and had 0 sacks, 1 tackle.

2011 NO – Mark Ingram RB Alabama – started 4 games, rushed 122 times for 474 yards and 5 TDs.

2012 GB – Nick Perry DE/LB USC – started 5 games, had 2 sacks.

2013 DEN – Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina – started 4 games, had 2 sacks, 1 FR.

2014 CAR – Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State – started 15 games, had 73 catches for 1008 yards and 9 TDs.

2015 DET – Laken Tomlinson OG Duke – started 14 games for an offense that was 20th in yards and 18th in points scored.

2016 SF – Joshua Garnett OG Stanford – started 11 games for an offense that was 31st in yards and 27th in points scored.

I bolded what could be considered productive to highly productive seasons. The average player taken 28th started only 7.6 games in their rookie season. The majority were not especially productive.

Keep this in mind when evaluating Charlton's preseason performance and rookie season.

2010 MIA – Jared Odrick DE Penn State – started 1 game and had 0 sacks, 1 tackle.
Odrick
Year Team GP COMB TOTAL AST SACK FF FR FR YDS INT IR YDS AVG IR LNG TD PD
2010 MIA 1 1 1 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2011 MIA 16 22 20 2 6.0 1 0 0 1 39 39 39 0 2
2012 MIA 16 35 26 9 5.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
2013 MIA 16 42 33 9 4.5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
2014 MIA 16 29 23 6 1.0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 5
2015 JAX 16 29 23 6 5.5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3
2016 JAX 6 12 9 3 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Career
87 170 135 35 22.5 5 1 0 1 39 39 39 0 15
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[waldoputty]

Yeah, I'm not surprised in the least. It's always been tougher finding an impact DE, more so than an impact LB. The bigger size required of DEs naturally makes it so. Thing is, we already have Taco Charlton in house to develop, so wishing for TJ Watt instead is a bit too late at this point. Is that what you had in mind, perchance?

i actually have not studied these players and not qualified to review the tape.
my preference was to either trade up and get a player higher on their board or take multiple DEs/OLBs.

 

[Bullflop]

i actually have not studied these players and not qualified to review the tape.
my preference was to either trade up and get a player higher on their board or take multiple DEs/OLBs.

Gotcha . . . evidently, the FO and staff decided that Taco was their guy for whatever their evaluation told them. I wouldn't be too surprised if another DE and perhaps another LB were to be on their list of priorities next year as well. Heck, they might even look to the final cuts to bring someone in if one that suits their "druthers" turn up. I hope Tapper turns out to be a winner this year but we'll have to wait and see about that.

 

[waldoputty]

Gotcha . . . evidently, the FO and staff decided that Taco was their guy for whatever their evaluation told them. I wouldn't be too surprised if another DE and perhaps another LB were to be on their list of priorities next year as well. Heck, they might even look to the final cuts to bring someone in if one that suits their "druthers" turn up. I hope Tapper turns out to be a winner this year but we'll have to wait and see about that.

right, we may have no idea what we have in taco for quite a while.
same with tapper who would hopefully stay healthy.