PFF Grades - Week One

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Hmm. Guyton mostly kept Garrett in check. PFF must penalize strongly for play outcome -- the sack fumble

If you look at the replay, Dak got the ball out -- that should have been a simple incompletion. Did he still get beat? Yes. But that wasn't a sack fumble. It was an incomplete pass. The refs are told not to blow those down in case of a turnover. There was really no need for us to challenge as we recovered the "fumble" - we could have challenged but it was a bit early in the game for that.
That was also the fastest sack of Week 1, in 2.5 seconds. Myles Garrett is just a freak for being nearly DT sized at 6'4" 275 and still having that kind of speed.

I don't even know if that was a failure on Guyton's end, so much as it's just Garrett being a stud.
 

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Hmm. Guyton mostly kept Garrett in check. PFF must penalize strongly for play outcome -- the sack fumble

If you look at the replay, Dak got the ball out -- that should have been a simple incompletion. Did he still get beat? Yes. But that wasn't a sack fumble. It was an incomplete pass. The refs are told not to blow those down in case of a turnover. There was really no need for us to challenge as we recovered the "fumble" - we could have challenged but it was a bit early in the game for that.

Guyton got abused by Garrett most of the time. He only had 13 snaps against him and lost most of the time. No shame in that given the competition but Steele is the guy who actually kept Garrett in check along with an excellent game plan and qb able to get the ball out quick.

The way PFF grades the outcome of the play is irrelevant, it’s completely based on what the individual player does. If a qb hits a perfect TD pass but the receiver drops it, it still counts as a positive play per the pff scoring.
 

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PFF is a really good idea and something that people really want to see. However, in practice there are quite a few problems with the ratings and the way it is graded doesn’t always follow common sense, as far as what we saw during the game. The way they rate things doesn’t always follow along with who impacted their team in a positive way and who helped win the game.

The guys who grade it are just guys who watch football like us who aren’t scouts or associated with football in any other way than just fans. That in itself doesn’t mean that the grades are bad though, and like in everything else, you will have some that are good and some that are bad. Some very knowledgeable, and some who are just doing the old “fake-it-till-you-make-it” way.

I think the criteria they use needs to be tweaked in a few ways. In what ways? I don’t know, but it is just off in a lot of ways IMO. There is a reason why the guys who are in the NFL scoff at PFF grades and put no stock in them. Great for the football fans who consume every tiny bit of information available about the sport they love…but they’re very flawed at this point.

I applaud PFF for getting a system together to grade every player for every snap of every game - something I’ve been wanting going back years and years - but they need to continue to work on it until it follows what we see during games a little more closely.

But I certainly don’t pretend to know how to fix it.
 
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two years ago when our D was insanely lights out it really showed some cracks when he got hurt, came back last year and still made plays.

Cant believe some people on this site didnt even want him back, i agree hes very underappreciated
There’s a really big segment of NFL fans that truly don’t know much about football. Some do… but many don’t.
 

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Isn't PFF basically just a bunch of regular guys, like us, watching film and rating people?
Yeah. Lately I’ve seen a few YouTube videos where the guy making the video says that he “used to work for PFF”. Some are fine but one guy’’s takes on football seemed… ummm… somewhat uninformed, let’s say. I wish I could remember it to post it here. It was funny.

Some of them truly do know football well though.
 

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PFF is a really good idea and something that people really want to see. However, in practice there are quite a few problems with the ratings and the way it is graded doesn’t always follow common sense, as far as what we saw during the game. The way they rate things doesn’t always follow along with who impacted their team in a positive way and who helped win the game.

The guys who grade it are just guys who watch football like us who aren’t scouts or associated with football in any other way than just fans. That in itself doesn’t mean that the grades are bad though, and like in everything else, you will have some that are good and some that are bad. Some very knowledgeable, and some who are just doing the old “fake-it-till-you-make-it” way.

I think the criteria they use needs to be tweaked in a few ways. In what ways? I don’t know, but it is just off in a lot of ways IMO. There is a reason why the guys who are in the NFL scoff at PFF grades and put no stock in them. Great for the football fans who consume every tiny bit of information available about the sport they love…but they’re very flawed at this point.

I applaud PFF for getting a system together to grade every player for every snap of every game - something I’ve been wanting going back years and years - but they need to continue to work on it until it follows what we see during games a little more closely.

But I certainly don’t pretend to know how to fix it.
I applaud your post. Excellent points.
PFF is flawed but they likely get it fine tuned
 

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The way PFF grades the outcome of the play is irrelevant, it’s completely based on what the individual player does. If a qb hits a perfect TD pass but the receiver drops it, it still counts as a positive play per the pff scoring.
Good straw man --- a qb throwing a perfect pass to a receiver who drops it is a bit different than understanding blocking schemes
 

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Good straw man --- a qb throwing a perfect pass to a receiver who drops it is a bit different than understanding blocking schemes
No straw man here, just passing along the little info of PFF I have, and one thing I know for sure is play outcome doesn’t affect an individual player grade.

You’re right they won’t always know every assignment, but blocking schemes you can typically figure out the majority of the time. This is one of the reasons you have to take PFF grades with a margin of error, however it’s still a solid baseline tool to use and it’s a fairly consistent grading system to compare players around the league if it’s even 80 percent accurate.
 
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